In Defense of Offensive Comedy

Eva Woods doesn’t like Seth MacFarlane’s dullwitted, offensive schtick. But she is glad that it exists.

Before we get too deeply into this, I just want to make one thing very clear—I do not like Seth MacFarlane. Never have, never will. (It really matters to me that you all know this.)

This is about something bigger than yesterday’s Oscar shenanigans, but so you understand what compelled me to write it, here are the relevant details: Last night and this morning Twitter exploded after The Onion tweeted a joke about a 9 year old girl being the c-word. This post is not meant to defend the merits of that joke, or of any joke in particular.

The reason I wrote this is because after reading Pia Glenn’s article about it on xojane.com (go read it, it is excellent and funny and smart) I looked around for a serious defense of offensive comedy and I couldn’t find one.

So I decided to give it a shot.

When we talk about objections to jokes, there are two common arguments: The first is that a joke went too far over the line, that it was more offensive than funny, and that social mores don’t disappear just because we’re in Comedyland.

The second is that comedians have a responsibility to if not work against social problems, then at least not to give the jerks who honestly believe racist/misogynist/fuckwittist things the ammo they need to take down their favorite targets.

I want to talk about the problems with both of these arguments. Before that, though, I want to point out that NONE of this matters if you don’t value comedy.

If you see comedy as inherently unimportant, then none of this will matter to you. If you think that it’s more important not to offend, and that it is always more important to right social ills than it is to make jokes, this won’t apply to you. I understand that perspective, even if I don’t share it, and it’s a different article than this one. This is for people who truly appreciate the art of comedy, but who might sometimes feel conflicted about the effect it can have on the world around them.

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“He crossed the line.”

This is the sentiment I’m encountering most frequently on Twitter. That, and it’s corollary: It wasn’t funny/wasn’t even a joke.

Let’s knock these out one at a time.

The problem with crossing “the line” is that the line isn’t in one place. Maybe kids are off limits, because they’re across the line. Maybe only making rough jokes about those in positions of power is okay, because the weak are across the line. Maybe you’ll get really mad at a joke about killing cats, but not killing Rush Limbaugh. Cats are across your line.

My father is funny. He’s witty and smart and a huge Dave Chappelle fan, and can work blue when he needs to. But he’s also a Christian. To him, God is across the line.

I have a Dashboard Jesus. My dad does NOT think it’s funny. He thinks it’s disrespectful and blasphemous.

I think it’s hilarious.

And here’s the thing: We’re both right. It’s funny, disrespectful and blasphemous.

Now, I know what you’re thinking. Christians are the dominant religion—picking on them is okay in America. I’m right, Dad’s wrong.

But what if Dad was Jewish? Would I still be right? What if he was a Scientologist? I mean, they’re hilarious, but they’re definitely not the dominant religion, and MOST of them aren’t powerful.

What if I had a Dashboard Muhammed?

Now, Dad is allowed not to like my Jesus. He’s allowed to not ride in my car because of it. He’s allowed to tell me why he doesn’t like it, that I’m fucking up by having it, and that it’s not funny. But he can’t tell me not to have it, cause he’s not the boss of me and because that Dashboard Jesus is hilarious.

My point—that I’m making overly obvious as befits the not-writer I am—is that our lines aren’t in the same place. And while Dad (or you) can tell me I’m wrong, well, I’m ALLOWED to be wrong.

Now let’s talk about the other side, the “That wasn’t a joke, it was an insult/ threat/ display of rampant racism” or “It was wrong because it wasn’t funny.” side.

How are we defining comedy? Is it “something said with the intention of getting a laugh”? Or is it “something I think is funny and appropriate”?

Because for every person mad at a shithead joke, there’s another person laughing. I might agree with one of them or the other, but that’s still just my opinion. I will never tell someone to get offended at something they’re not offended by, just like I will never tell someone NOT to be offended by something they ARE offended by.

Oh, but “Threats Are Never Funny!”, “Racism Is Never Funny!”,  “Abortion Is Never Funny!”, “Murder Is Never Funny!”

Now we’re back to where to place that line.

Moving on! (“Finally!” you scream.)

Let’s jump over to the social responsibility of comedians, with their voices in all those ears.

Should Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Louis CK, with their huge influence on America’s young people use their platforms for social good, or—at least—not for social harm?

Yeah, I think so. I also think they already do. But there are tons of people who disagree with me.

Lots of people think Jon Stewart gets on the air 5 days a week and poisons the mind of our youth with a biased, liberal agenda of lies. I think those people are wrong, but I don’t think they are less valuable than me. Or that their beliefs are less strongly held than mine. I think they’re wrong, end of sentence. Luckily, bunches of people agree with me, and with our viewership, we keep The Daily Show on the air. We vote for those beliefs with our time and our eyeballs. The same way an epic asshole such as Sean Hannity gets kept on the air with other people’s time and eyeballs.

But say I’m wrong, and the first amendment shouldn’t apply to hateful people and that public voices can only work to do good. Let’s pretend that for a minute.

Colbert and CK wouldn’t be the only ones affected by such a change. What about the comic performing to crowds of 50 on the best night of his career? Can he be hateful? What about me, on my Twitter? I have 300 followers. What if I had 1?

What if the rule were: You don’t have to do good, you just can’t do harm? You don’t have to champion social change from the mic stand, you just can’t say anything offensive (to the greater good we are pretending isn’t arbitrary)

If we all agree on this greater good, the inherent absurdity of the human condition *goes away*. And with it, go a lot of jokes. You might be glad they’re gone, but I’m not. I will miss them as much as I would miss my Dashboard Jesus if he suddenly raptured his way out of my car.

So, send Daniel Tosh an email, and for heaven’s sake don’t go to his shows. Unfollow the Onion. Vote with your eyeballs. But don’t let criticism of comedy turn into prescription of comedy. Because when you do that, you’re telling me that my values are wrong, and what’s more, my wrongness means I don’t get a vote anymore.

And that vote matters to me. If every comic who ever made a terrible, indefensible joke was gone, I couldn’t use that vote to determine what they do next, and I want that freedom.  A world in which no one is ever in danger of being offended is a world where Family Circus and Jay Leno are as good as comedy gets and that’s not a world I want to live in.

 

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About Eva Woods

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Comments

  1. Doc Holligay says:

    You know what’s interesting? My line is sort of…”Is it actually funny?” The cunt tweet wasn’t funny to me, so it doesn’t bug me if people go after it. And it wasn’t not funny because it was about a kiddo, it just…wasn’t funny. But “We saw your boobs?” I’m sorry, y’all can have my feminist card, I laughed. Kate Winslet herself, has made fun of how often she ends up naked in her movies. And I love her! I laughed at a lot of the offensive jokes last night. I laughed at the Jew jokes! I’m a Jew! I died at the “150 years, and it’s still too soon?”comment after the Lincoln joke. Everyone is entitled to go, “Well, that was kind of stupid.” but that doesn’t mean it should go away forever and I’m rambling but WHATEVER.

    • You know what’s also interesting? I only know the cunt tweet through the outrage it generated. And I think that’s significant. If the people who had been upset with the joke had just decided to roll their eyes and go “That’s fucked up” and moved on, it would have faded away as quickly as most tweets do (from what I’ve read most have a max shelf life of two hours or so with occasional exceptions). Instead they decided to make a HUGE deal about it and its reach extended far beyond The Onion’s followers. Instead of protecting the girl from an offensive joke, they just ensured more people heard it.

      • I don’t think the concern was that as few people as possible heard it. I think it’s important to talk about our criticisms of comedy. It’s more the absolute “that’s over THE line” that I wanted to address.

        • Allan Mott says:

          A lot of the commentary I saw was about how injurious the joke was to its subject, so I think the fact that this very commentary spread the reach of the joke and possibly inflamed the injury is kinda relevant.

          And I know what your post was about, Eva. Don’t make me take my edits back. E|:)

      • Joanna Schroeder says:

        Don’t forget The Streisand Effect!

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

        • Yeah, I believe people have every right to be critical of anything that offends them, but just as how free speech has it consequences, so does criticism of said speech. Very often when outraged critics go after a target they have the unintended effect of turning what was once obscure and niche into a viable mainstream product. It’s just something else to consider–is it worth decrying something if one of the major results of your condemnation is that it becomes better known (and potentially more popular) than it was before you said anything?

    • Naomi Watts’ face at her mention in that song was AMAZING.

    • Have you never heard the phrase ‘cross the line twice’?

      It was hilarious precisely because it was about a 9 year-old kid. They couldn’t have possibly meant it, because only a crazy person looks at a child and thinks, “what a ****”. It was laughably mean-spirited and over the top.

      The most annoying thing in the world, to me, is people who think that it’s their job to police my sense of humor. Seriously, **** those people. With a rusty garden trowel.

  2. As usual, Eva wins. I have a really hard time with offensive humor because I have an awful superpower of intensely feeling uncomfortable myself if someone I see/am with/ imagine is uncomfortable. This is why I am unable to watch Ben Stiller films. It’s kind of a bummer, but it’s my life. Other people have the right to do the same.

    Also, Seth MacFarlane brought back Cosmos and is good friends with Ann Druyan so that means he has to be at least 1% not awful.

  3. You know, I agree with this perspective, and I totally didn’t expect to. Well done, Eva!

  4. I like offensive/blue/irreverent/edgy comedy when it punches “up” not down.

    I found most of what he did, save the Sock Puppet piece, passive aggressive and mean spirited and lazy. There are loads of ways to call out the sexism (boobs) or racism or all manner of things that Hollywood is all guilty of without punching down at actresses who wind up having to show boob in movies. The song could have been aimed quite differently, but still using the word boob, while calling out the dynamics that bring women into situations where they can win Oscars but still wind up having to drop trou.

    Considering how many of the boobs in that song were revealed in sexual violence it bothered me.

    I found the Q Wallis/Clooney joke ridiculous especially since he tossed Clooney booze at the end of the joke as if to apologize. There were gender, race, and religion jokes too and and they were trite and adolescent. Which would work in a comedy club, but given the caliber of talent in that room, for live broadcast….

    Also, I don’t think things should be off limits at all, but I do expect comedians to know exactly why they are risking what they are risking in putting rape or abortion or racism in a joke. I’ve seen some amazing work done on difficult material. I didn’t think he did other than it would be “edgy” and to me, as a comedian and a producer of comedic work, means the work aimed too low.

    Ultimately, comedians can do what they want and they run the risk of negative reaction (and effects on their paycheck) if they haven’t sculpted the jokes for success. There will always be a market for blue, nasty humor, humor that hides knives, humor that mocks, humor that contains loads of aggression for those underneath. And luckily there will be a market for humor that aims those arrows up at the people in power calling out truth like the jester, tilting truth and tropes on their ear and surprising people.

    I feel that MacFarlane is the former and that if he was aiming for true satiric work pushing at the foibles of Hollywood’s powerbase, he didn’t hit that mark.

    • This is an amazing comment. Nothing to add. Thank you.

    • Joanna Schroeder says:

      Julie, do you ever watch Family Guy?

      I feel too few people understand him. I’m not his #1 fan, but Family Guy is REALLY smart and takes the piss out of basically everything you possibly ever could take the piss out of.

      It’s worth watching, if you haven’t ever seen it, the Family Guy retelling of the birth of baby Jesus. It’s pretty fucking amazing.

  5. Where do you get off calling Family Circus and Jay Leno comedy? I bet there’s a really bad porn out there called Family Circus. It is funny seeing Jay at the supermarket. Nobody bothers him. He’s always got a sweet ride though. I think comedy is supposed to startle or shock us into a different perspective. The best comics don’t have to be offensive, but in today’s culture they face a great challenge not to be if they want to attract attention. Remember from the Howard Stern movie? People who hated him spent more time listening than his fans. The easiest way to get attention is to be offensive, and comedians and entertainers in general exist to get attention. I offend, therefore I am. ( I have no Latin.)

  6. Great blog.
    First off, I love Seth MacFarlane. His humor is often offensive, but I also find him hilarious. Yeah, I know that I’m supposed to be an enlightened male and understand how misogynistic I must be for laughing at his stuff, but the man nails my funny bone every damned time.
    Second, I think The Onion is brilliant most times. That offensive tweet was not one of those times. That was kind of like someone pulling down their pants in the living room and taking a dump on the carpet, then pointing at it and going, “Look, I’m funny.” With one incredible tweet, The Onion has given itself a serious image problem — and rightly so. Whoever the moron was who posted that tweet needs to be fired. I don’t think that person should be fired for what they wrote — I think they should be fired because if he or she thinks that was funny, that person shouldn’t be working at The Onion.
    I do have to disagree with Eva Woods about something, though. I think there need to be lines. Truly, I do. You see, the more that you eliminate the lines, the more you give people with darkness in their hearts to laugh at terrible things. When a 9-year-old girl has the ‘c-word’ tossed at her like that, I would want everyone on this planet to cringe at the thoughtlessness of that comment. But, when we start to walk away from the lines being crossed, we begin to go down a path where the very act of destroying someone’s life as entertainment might well be permissible. If people are not outraged over The Onion’s foolishness, I fear for our society as a whole.

  7. This is the most eloquent and intelligent take on the whole Oscar fervor I have seen. You did an incredible job here and I agree with you 100%. Kudos.

  8. The Oscars is just so unbearably dull… I can’t watch it for my life….I just like looking at the dresses online….

    It’s just Hollywood….is that a sacred cow you can’t make fun of?

    (Kathy Griffin or Louis CK for next year…and maybe I will watch!)

  9. Eva, you broke the Internet. You wrote such a reasoned, rational article that no one’s even fighting or being mean in the comments.

  10. Of what I saw, Seth MacFarlane was funny and executed his role very well. The reaction of the press and the resulting bandwagon of offended people afterwards was also pretty funny. Always amusing to see people get so wound up over nothing.

    • See, but the thing is, it’s nothing to YOU. YOU think it’s nothing. But who are you to decide what’s funny and what’s not and what’s offensive and what’s not?

      Why is your opinion on it being nothing any more or less valid than the opinion of those people who were offended. You can’t call something “nothing” as a blanket statement.

      • I can’t say it was funny or nothing, but others can say that it was unfunny or offensive? How is that consistent? I think reasonable people generally take it for granted that when others make such assessments, it is typically with reference to their own frame of reference. In any case, how to reconcile objectivity, implied by us communicating assessments with each other at all, and the subjectivity inherent in our distinct identities and perceptions is a persistent problem of philosophy. I recommend Immanuel Kant’s ‘Critique of Judgment’ if you’re interested.

        Getting back to the subject, I can’t take these shrill and overblown complaints on these trifling matters seriously when there is genuine suffering in the world and far more serious deeds being done and said that have a negative impact on the world, but that you will not hear a peep about from these same complainers.

        Seriously, a guy making a few naughty jokes at an award ceremony, for which he was hired to make such jokes, is nothing as far as I’m concerned. And I consider myself to be sufficiently discerning, reasonable and inclusive not to be completely out of whack when making such assessments. The fact that others might be offended is unfortunate for them, but has no bearing on my own assessment of the situation. Someone is always going to be offended by something that pokes fun, however gently and self-consciously. As far as my moral compass was concerned, Seth MacFarlane navigated his material expertly and did not cross any lines that caused it to wag too violently. I actually thought he was quite conservative, making sure he included many of his targets, such as Charlize Theron, Naomi Watts and George Clooney, in on the joke and providing running commentary on the fact he was playing to stereotypes. I’m completely unmoved by the complaints and still hold that MacFarlane was a good humoured host who delivered some edgy material like a seasoned pro.

  11. A lot of people lose sight of the difference between “I’m offended” and “It’s offensive.” The first comment is legitimate.

  12. People who say “I’m offended” (about comedy or anything else) are simply telling the world I’m such a mental/emotional child that I can’t control my own emotions & think the world should do it for me.
    Life is hard & mean, and no one has a right to not be offended. People need to grow up.

    • Actually Cort, I don’t think someone’s ability to be offended or not offended by something can in anyway speak for their mental/emotional health. There are certain people that are not mentally/emotionally mature that may be offended by things said. And there are certain people that use the “I’m too cool for political correctness” visage to hide behind so that they can make any unflittered comment that comes into their head so that they don’t actually have to have responsibility for what the say. Which could also be the sign of someone that is lacking in mental or emotional maturity.

      People in society who stood up and said “I’m offended” and changed the world:

      Gandhi
      Rosa Parks
      Dr. Martin Luther King
      Nelson Mandela
      Joan of Arc
      Eleanor Roosevelt
      Abraham Lincoln
      Helen Keller
      Abraham Lincoln
      Harriet Tubman
      Linda Brown
      Dalai Lama
      Mother Teresa
      Winston Churchill
      That waiter that refused to serve the people that were making fun of a mentally handicapped child.

      And hey, don’t foget about Jesus. :)

      Thank goodness people stand up and say “I’m offended”.

      Ruby Bridges

  13. watch this video. Patrice puts it beautifully. Your comparing jokes intentionally made for humor not hurting anybody.. Those people you listed stood up for actions happening to others. Jokes are words not sticks and stones, love.

    • Daniel, I unfortunetly did watch your video. You should actually have put a warning on the video considering the content of it. So I will do it for you. For those that are curious about Daniel’s video, it describes graphic violent acts mainly against women. For those that continue to read my post, it describes the graphic violent acts mentioned in the video Daniel thought was said “beautifully” from Patrice. If you read past this point, you’ll being reading about them.

      What is funny about hitting a women in the back of the head (what he actually called a “donkey punch”..so there is actual a physical name for hitting women in teh back of the head), ejacuating in her eye and then kicking her in the shin? WTF? I don’t even know what to say to that. What is funny about joking about rape? Funny how all these “jokes” are about beating women up and hurting them…but yeah…that’s “funny”. Maybe it’s funny to you to hit women in the back of the head and kick them in the shin and ejaculate in their eyes, maybe it’s funny to you that women get rapped and maybe it’s funny to joke about C. Rice getting raped. But it’s not funny to me. And I will stick up against that crap until my last day on Earth.

      Not too long ago there was a lot of outrage among a large group of men that didn’t like how a Huggies commercial projected men and father’s in the commercial….but we are all suppose to laugh about punching a woman in the back of the head and ejacuating in her eye and kicking her in the shin? WTF? That’s not funny. That’s not even clever. Something is seriously wrong with someone that even thinks that is funny.

      Words are sticks and stones. Words hold power. Words are important. Sometimes people use jokes as a way to hide behind being able to say whatever they want to say with no responsibility for what they are actually saying. Thank you for proving my point.

      Oh by the way Patrice joking about *himself* and him losing a toe because of diabietes doesn’t come close to joking about punching women in the head and ejaculating on them and kicking them in the shin or raping women.

      • A warning? Where do you live? Your world seems to boring, over analytical and dead. Do you live in Arkansas? Have you lived in this world? Something is wrong with you.. And I can tell you it’s old dusty and boring. You are a boring person. You complain with these pretentious wanna be thought provoking opinions that only defend one point of view.. Self righteousness. Graphic violence? The world is violent. You will never change that. It’s the nature and history of our species. Do you think you can change that? You are way to confident with your rambling opinions that you refuse to accept the very nature of the world people have lived thousands of years before your whiny butt was born into. Let go of your pain, your self important opinions and enjoy this life you have. Your a grown up and American if your unhappy with your life.. Change it.. But you can’t change the world. Hitler was serious like you. Most unfunny guy in history. People like him that dislike and hate always will do terrible actions. People with a sense of humor are different. We joke about it. You hater.

        • Woah, what’s with the personal attacking? I’m scratching my head over here. It’s fine to disagree with my opinion and have reasonable comments and reasons why you disagree. But that’s not really what you are doing. You are no longer having a reasonable discussion Daniel. You are simply being abusive at this point. It’s unfortunate that you do not know how to handle talking to someone you disagree with skillfully, reasonably and intelligently.

          • So now your saying i dont know how to handle a conversation talking to somebody else with a different opinion without being “abusive” or skillfully intelligent? You are manipulative. I dont think you know what abuse is or attacking. You are way to sensitive for even words. You should really live in the real world and know what it is like out there to be abused and attacked by somebody. where do you live? in surburbia? do you have a gate at your cul de sac.. probably have a gardener too. You have no idea what its like to live in the real world you just come up with ideas and opinons about it. you are whats wrong with america today and shouldnt even have a voice until you have lived. lets get to know each other. email me, id love to find out more about you because so far with your opinions i hate the picture im painting of you. lets intellectualize about all your opinions and first start off with who you are as a person and where you came from.

            • Daniel, your comments speak for themselves. You’ve been very abusive. You’ve made your points personal attacks. You continue to do so here as well. By the way, I am not bothered by your comments. They are outlandish and untrue. However, the fact remains, your abusive. That’s your issue, not mine.

              You are free to speculate all you want about where I come from and where I live. I don’t mind! I’m not here to prove anything to you either. :) I know who I am.

            • You know who you are.. but we dont. You could beat little kids and men for all i know.. You are bothered by my comments i can tell just the way you are bothered by comedy and words. A lot of words bother you. you label them abusive so you are protected.

            • Who is this “we”? *You* could beat little kids and women for all I know. Knowing where I live doesn’t change that. I could also be an art thief, steal old ladies purses, run ponzi schemes…but then again, so could you. All this is pointless to the focus of the conversation.

              I label your words abusive because that’s simply the reality.

  14. Speaking of Louis CK, doesn’t he have a routine where he describes his own daugher as an asshole and a c**t? That sounds a lot less subtle than the Onion’s tweet, but you’d never know it given how breathlessly people (especially on gender issues blogs) talk about him.

    Feels like if it’s a comedian the social justice warriors have been plugging ad nauseam suddenly it’s not a big deal.

    • I am all for social justice! And father’s and mother’s not joking about how their own children our curse words. Do we know how Louis CK’s daugther feels about being called those names? How many men here today would enjoy their wives, girlfriends or daughters joking about calling them four letter words?

      But hey, you want to call your own daughter an asshole or a c**t, go ahead. I bet she will respect you as much as you respect her.

      • Again it’s humor. You couldn’t possibly understand. I was raised with my father all Italians from Brooklyn. We were poor, problems galore. Our point of view and what we do with out intellect makes us different then most. We enjoy people. Simply put. Wether they call there kids cunts or grade a student top of its class. You can’t alienate one persons humor just because its wrong and different than yours. Grow up kiddos. We are Americans. Welcome to the wonderful land of indifference. Now if we were quoting gacy, or murders and rapists I understand but you guys are jumping on entertaining comedy. Jokes don’t lead to violence or pain. Problems with serious crazy angry people do. Some of you guys sound like the type of people who would burn books if they could.

        • Having a different opinion from you isn’t alienating someone’s humor. I actually find that you enjoy to alienate those that don’t agree with you. Evident by both your previous posts. You don’t like the fact that people have different thoughts and beliefs that don’t agree with yours. Hence why you turn demeaning and show a lack of desiring a real discussion. All you want to do is mock people and attempt to shame them into your beliefs. We get it. Seriously. You think jokes are funny about raping or abusing women. You like the idea of a woman being hit in the back o the head or getting something in her eye and kicking her in teh shin. That amuses you. And it’s certainly allowed to amuse you. And I am in turn allowed to find that offensive.

          I don’t see what humor there is anyway in the little video clip you shared. But if you want to laugh about abusing women and raping them, you have the freedom to do that. And I have the freedom to speak up against it. America is wonderful that way. Jokes might not lead to violence, but then again, they could. You don’t really know. But even if they don’t lead to violence, they can lead to prejduice and pain. I brought up about how a lot of men and fathers banded together against a Huggies commercial. And they should if they feel that that product is representing them poorly. And if anyone, male, female or any race or reglious group believes they are being respresented offensively, then they should speak out against it. Now if the guy from your little clip wants to make himself the butt of the joke, he is welcome to do that. He could have joked about him getting stuff in his eye and getting kicked in the shin or hit in the back of the head. But he didn’t. Do you know why he didn’t? Because he respects himself too much to make those jokes about himself. That’s why guys like him make them about women. But hey, if you know that guy really well, perhaps you can share clips where he talks and makes mokes about that level of abuse being done to men as he did with women. I doubt that he does though.

          • You cannot psycho analyze me based off two responses to neurotic and naive people. He jokes about himself all the time. Listen to him before you judge patrice o neal. go listen to his stand up and his interviews. he constantly jokes about his problems and issues. You are too quick to judge and thats your problem. Your first judgement was on me and second was patrice. I defend against people like us not alienate you know why. Because people like you are so fast and quick to judge and analyze words.. email me. Lets talk and really talk before you judge me. Jokes are words these are words you are full of them. I used to hide behind words myself until i had kids and a career i built myself from the ground up. All i had was words because i had nothing else to show others. what do you have to show for yourself.. besides judgement and self righteousness. You have my curiosity..

      • OirishM says:

        If you dislike both Louis CK and The Onion for doing essentially the same thing, then I have far less of a problem with that – it’s at least being consistent.

        What I have a problem with is selective outrage over what the Onion did, but not Louis CK.

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