Michael Sliwa on indoctrination, violence, and the many issues associated with open carry laws.
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The root of our fears is indoctrination.
Let me be very clear. I’m not anti-gun nor do I hate white people.
Now, some may argue that intimidation can save lives.
Source: 30dB.com – Texas and Open Carry
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As far as your narrative on comments and page views goes, I don’t understand why you seem to think the same person visiting your page and commenting on your posts means that your work is spreading, espically when almost half of the comments on the work are your own. But then again, I suppose we have already established that you’re not really interested in spreading any kind of message, you just want a boost to your ant sized ego and think arguing with a stranger online is the best way to get it. I should pity you…but it’s more fun… Read more »
Pretty clear but not really proof positive eh? You know for someone who clearly has no use for me or my writing you sure have a strange way of showing it…9 replies and counting. I enjoy the anger (which you’ll deny) and spirited attacks. Classy. #ProofPositiveOfInternalization, #10Replies?, #32Comments?, #NoPageViewsNoImpact, #ThanksForFollowingMyWork, #StayGolden
Never said you were white and it matters little. If one changes the tone of how it’s read it could have multiple meanings. See how evidence works? It’s fluid. One doesn’t have to be white to be heavily influenced by white systemic supremacy and the narrative it reinforces. One doesn’t have to be white to defend whiteness and its privileges or institutions consciously or unconsciously. The last word comment is an assumption on your part. No biggie, I’m off grid so access isn’t always available. Besides my smugness gets more page hits from folks such as yourself and comments always… Read more »
You said “most white folks don’t” after saying I didn’t accept what you were offering. The implication is pretty clear there. Nice try to weasel out of it, though. And off you go again on your little white supremacy narrative. AsI’ve said before, just because someone doesn’t agree with your unproven tripe doesn’t mean they have internalized anything. It just means you can’t form a coherent argument and some people have no problem pointing it out. As for the page views, you’re more than welcome. Maybe now people will see that you can’t make a rational argument to save your… Read more »
What I’ve offered you don’t accept and that’s ok…most white folks don’t. As for my comment quota I make exceptions for those who need their ego stroked a bit? Stay passionate Darren.
Sorry to burst your smug little bubble, but I’m not white. There you go again, making unfounded assumptions based on your own narrative. Not a very good habit for someone who fancies himself a social justice speaker. And considering that you waited 3 days to respond to my other comment, it sounds like you just wanted to get the last word in. Maybe you’re the one who needs an ego boost.
You stay passionate too, Silwa. Maybe one day you’ll actaully be able to back that passon up with reason.
Your own examples of “proof positive” don’t meet the definition you’re trying to support. “A study identifying unconscious bias among open carry advocates, a video of them chanting racist slurs, charts showing they’re more likely to shoot POC, anything.” Zero of these examples show direct fear. You have to make connections based on assertions, clues, expert opinions, and rational connections like logical thinkers can do. BTW hate speech in your logical brain would not constitute fear according to your definition. Only open carry enthusiasts yelling, “We’re fearful of people who don’t look like us from a lifetime of conditioning and… Read more »
What happened to your little “comment quota,” Silwa? Of course it’s impossible to find studies that show direct fear without a shadow of doubt, the only way to do that is for people to outright say, “Yup, I’m afraid.” I’m not asking for that, I’m asking for you to offer evidence that backs up your THEORY (because that’s all it is, a theory, not an objective fact) that open carry supporters are afraid of POC’s. That’s what logical thinkers do; they offer evidence to support their thoughts instead of just claiming they are correct and everyone who disagrees with them… Read more »
So based on that criteria I guess we can’t use a variety of different pieces of information and draw a rational conclusion…say like imagining a group of rural country folk sitting in their local diner feeling uneasy when a group of openly armed black folks stroll in. Hmm, I guess we can’t draw any rational conclusions based on the unexplained feelings those folks may have based on zero to little experience with black folks during their lifetime. Now if we flip the script the feelings of black folks are rational considering history and the status quo. I understand black folks… Read more »
magining the result of a hypothetical scenario is not proof of anything, and if you really consider that to be proof positive of your argument, it’s hilarious that you’re accusing me of not being rational or logical. I agree that black people supporting carry is logical, it’s your ridiculous assertation that white men are doing so only because they’re afraid of POC’s that I’m disputing. As for the links you gave, the video links show one person celebrating blacks and whites agreeing on open carry laws, and one guy who admittedly is prejudiced against blacks. Neither are proofed your argument.… Read more »
Mr. Sliwa lives amongst folks who own firearms. Mr. Sliwa has engaged countless folks over the years who own firearms…and still does. Mr. Sliwa has used firearms and will continue to use firearms. In fact, Mr. Sliwa is looking to buy a firearm in the near future. The piece Mr. Sliwa wrote is a commentary on the fear in people based on a false narrative that “others” are primarily violent and committing crimes when in fact it’s white men that fill those shoes in many cases. Mr. Sliwa has never said that open carry enthusiasts were more violent but rather… Read more »
The problem with Mr. Sliwa’s argument is that Mr. Sliwa is assuming that white people are buying guns because they are afraid of people of color specifically, and not just in being victimized in general by people of any race, their own or not. Mr. Sliwa has provided absolutely no evidence to back up this assertation.
I meant open carrying guns, not buying them.
You probably had it correctly written the first time. Victimized=fear, we disagree on who they are fearful of being victimized by. My evidence is the overwhelming numbers of white people at the open carry rallies, being interviewed, and pushing for less reform. Our long and bloody history of violence in this country towards people of color is telling. We fear who and what we don’t know or understand. One would think that after all of the violence, terror, victimization, racial discrimination, and murders over the centuries that people of color would be taking the lead on this issue…they are not.… Read more »
White people attending open carry rallies is not proof of your argument, nor are atrocities committed hundreds of years ago. What I’m asking is simple- do you have any evidence that people who support open carry are doing so because they are afraid of people of color SPECIFICALLY, and not just afraid of being victimized in general by anyone regardless of race. As for your claim that people of color are not taking the lead on this issue, I can assure you that they are at least trying to. More people of color own firearms today than ever before, and… Read more »
What you’re asking for is a particular segment of society to admit to a fear they can’t identify within themselves…good luck. I’m fully aware that people who open carry believe they are not afraid of POC. What they fail to recognize is the power of conditioning via white systemic supremacy. When your entire narrative is reinforced by an education system, law enforcement, media coverage, economic practices, and a white washed version of history then identifying your own shortcomings is rare and more importantly painful. Instead we see reactionary tactics based upon unidentified internal fears. Getting folks to admit to their… Read more »
Nope, what I’m asking is for you to do what every rational person who makes an argument does; offer proof positive of it. A study identifying unconscious bias among open carry advocates, a video of them chanting racist slurs, charts showing they’re more likely to shoot POC, anything. If there was proof of what you’re saying, it wouldn’t be difficult for you to find and show even if these people were unaware of their true feelings; it’s been done before in studies of bias in academia and job hiring. Repeating the same song and dance about systematic supremacy, even if… Read more »
Assuming they are doing so safely, a person openly carrying a gun is not exercising “unreasonable” gun ownership any more than a person carrying a concealed weapon or simply having one at their private residence is. If a person who has a weapon but is not using it against you or anyone else makes you or anyone else fell uncomfortable, that’s your problem, not theirs.
In 43 years of gun ownership, I have not committed murder, terrorism, nor mass shootings; I am not sure you have a relevant evidence based point that applies to my guns or me.
I don’t believe Mr. Sliwa has engaged in any open dialogue with people who own and enjoy firearms. He lives in rural New Mexico so its not like he doesn’t have ample opportunity to talk with his neighbors about these subjects. He could have chosen to view people as individuals and humanize the discussion. Instead he has chosen to make it about “class” and dehumanize people.
You should read more of my posts, I am in Ukraine, a d the war is out my front door, over the hillm and I coming with artillery nearly ever other night, and as such; I chose to be here to help and defend against pedantic liberal social justice meddling academics, apparat him and oligarchs that think they have the authority to command how someone else lives
I am betting you didn’t even bother to look every mass shooter since the ops was a democrat,
Thanks for confirming your bias
I’m not a democrat so not sure of your point.
Gun owner since the age of 5, i have always had them. I have a pistol on my person now, and am in sight and reach of an AK; that is loaded, and in level 3 stat. The only discrimination I have ever felt came from WOMEN and minorities. The world is a dangerous and shitty place, that you chose to live a life without a gun is on you, you have no power nor authority to remove my choice and right to carry: open or concealed P.S. the Venn diagram of overlap for gun violence you should be looking… Read more »
Thanks for reinforcing my point Boris.
Look up The Deacons For Defense And Justice. They were a black militia group formed in the sixties to protect people from violence and they had no problem with open carry. Self defense is everyone’s right regardless of race, religon or gender. Concealed carry makes more sense, since it reduces your chance of being a target.
Look up systemic and you’ll know the difference between black militiamen and who I’m writing about..
To state that you know someone else’s inner motivations better than they do is, at best, weak. I’d suggest talking to the people you purport to be so knowledgeable about. However, I’d suggest staying in inquiry- to do otherwise tends to run people the wrong way. I’d suggest you do some soul searching about why you wish to restrict the rights of a non-violent. group of people. Your quip about self reliance and independence shows you’re carrying some heavy baggage. I can understand the motivations of people who prefer a more communal existence without sneering at them or chalking it… Read more »
1. Experience with a group eh? That’s like saying I’m not a racist because I have a black friend. Your experiences have little insight to the intent of someone’s internal psychology and unconsciousness since many of us rarely recognize it within ourselves. I’m basing my piece off of a long historical pattern. Your proximity and obvious bias leaves you suspect. I do have experience with these folks (not that it matters on a large scale) and there has been extensive media coverage (beyond your sample group and mine) of their words and actions so take a look. 2. We are… Read more »
You seriously consider yourself able to identify people’s emotional states and motivations without speaking to them? Your comparison to “I have a black friend” and my observation is faulty. A similar observation would be “I live in a majority black community and I feel your negative characterization of them as a group is inaccurate based on my experiences in my community.” You’re looking for an excuse to rip on a demographic group you have admittedly NO experience with. You have NO data proving that white conceal carry permit holders are more violent than other groups. Every single correlation shows that… Read more »
In your first sentence you point out that white men may be fearful but…then you go on to list two points…one of which is fear based and the other is the standard white man narrative. Then you say you don’t know any who are fearful while justifying our historical actions through deflection by comparison to another group. I read, I watch. I listen, observe….there is a pattern that isn’t too difficult to follow here if one can drop their dysfunctional loyalty to race, gender, sex, and country. No one said anyone couldn’t or shouldn’t talk about it. What I wrote… Read more »
As someone with first hand experience with the demographic group you’re discussing I’m far more equipped to make conclusions about their motivations than you, a person who has admittedly not talked to any of them, are. I find it fascinating that you can diagnose massive swaths of humanity as fearful yet they do not know it themselves. That’s a great way to ascribe negative characteristics to groups and people without having to actually engage with them. Secondly- I said I know many people who carry and have noted no racists among them. You have no first hand experience with people… Read more »
The demographic you are targeting here may be “fearful” but they are about as likely to commit violent acts with a firearm as the citizens of most European countries. Secondly, if white males with conceal carry permits cannot talk about firearm violence which demographic can? If that’s the standard, you just told Black Lives Matter they have no room to talk. I think open carry is pretty damn dumb too but I don’t pretend to know the internal motivators of open carry enthusiasts. I know plenty of CCL holders and their motivations tend to be twofold: 1. a skepticism about… Read more »