It’s not that bad, guys.
As a liberal, I admit to taking perverse pleasure—the German word is “schadenfreude”—in watching the FOX News Network turn into Jonestown when President Obama was projected the winner of the presidential election. After Ohio and Virginia went blue, it seemed plausible that Karl Rove, whose super-PAC was on the hook for $300 million, might start throwing his own feces at the cameras.
However, while I was giggling into my sleeve and watching to see if Brit Hume’s hair would actually move, history was happening in my home state of New Hampshire.
On Tuesday, Nov. 6, with the Democratic governor-elect Maggie Hassan defeating the GOP candidate Ovid Lamontagne—no known relation to the singer—and the newly elected Congresswomen Anne Kuster and Carol Shea-Porter, both Democrats, beating the Republican incumbents Charlie Bass and Frank Guinta, respectively, New Hampshire became the first state in this country’s history to have a female governor and all female representatives in Congress—Democrat Jean Shaheen and Republican Kelly Ayotte are the senators.
It’s worth noting that for much of 20th century, New Hampshire was the only red state stronghold on the liberal east coast. It is a state that still has one of the most conservative newspapers in the country, the painfully written and egregiously edited Union Leader, and had someone written an editorial for that rag twenty years ago stating that in 2012 New Hampshire would enjoy all-female congressional representation, the gun-toting good ole’ boys with their pick-up trucks and obdurate white politics would have laughed that person all the way back to the Massachusetts border. It would have seemed the stuff that a campy 50s sci-fi movie was based on.
But sorry, boys, all barbecues must come to an end.
Elections in a democracy are typically good indicators of the public’s pulse, and they seldom occur in a vacuum. Much has already been remarked in the media about why the epic flip-flopper and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney fell significantly short of making Obama a one-term president. However, I’m not interested in punditry and analysis from the talking heads.
What became clear, not only in New Hampshire, but nationally—except in the South where they’re still fighting The Civil War—is that the heyday of the far-right conservative white guy is in a decline, and unless they’re willing to part with some of their archaic 50s social paradigms and stop exalting Reagan and trickle-down economic theories that cater to the rich conservative white guys they hope to become, this species will soon be extinct.
This will be a tough pill for the far-right conservative white guy to swallow. If there’s one demographic that embodies stubbornness and resistance to a changing dynamic, it’s the tone-deaf and paranoid far-right conservative white guy, who wants his wife to serve him, the gays to stay away, and the minorities to quit picking his pockets.
Unfortunate as it is for him—and we’re seeing this in New Hampshire, a one-time bastion for the far-right conservative white guy—most women no longer have time to bake cookies for his kids after school and give him a hand-job at night while he is smoking his pipe and watching the news in the den. The gay community is here to stay and, hopefully, soon will have the same right to be miserable in their marriages as the far-right conservative white guy, and no one is picking their pockets by making them pay taxes.
To the far-right conservative white guy: look ahead, and you will see that you have one of three options. You can get with the times and accept the fact that demographics in America are changing, and stop with the pouting and paranoia. Newsflash: the nostalgia you’re chasing never really existed.
You could also try rallying the South to secede from the Union for a second time and move there. It’ll be a far-right conservative white guy utopia—guns and no taxes or gays getting married. Perhaps you can even readopt the Confederate Constitution, and President Obama will be considered a mere three-fifths of person.
Or you can join Jonestown and drink the Kool-Aid with the rest of the FOX News crew. In the meantime, watch out for errant Karl Rove poop.
Read more:
Trust Me, I’m Lying: Interview With Ryan Holiday: Chuck Ross interviews a self-admitted media manipulator.
Images from White People Mourning Romney/Tumblr
From the looks of the pic the “far right” is defined by mainstream Republicanism. I suppose it’s not atypical to portray that which one can see as the worst manifestation of the “other” around. After, Hillary Clinton is a feminist NAZI, right? Whew.
If you can’t see how similar this article is to the crap spewed by Rush Limbaugh and others of his ilk- you’re part of the problem.
Here’s what’s wrong with the white guy discourse. Especially when it’s directed at working class or rural men. It’s racist (yes, Virginia you can be racist toward whites.) It’s sexist (it’s directed at men.) And it’s classist (ever wonder who does a lot of the work yuppies think they’re too good to do? Much of the military service? Puts food on the table in many areas of the US? – it’s white men, at least some of the time.) There is no sensible category called white males. There are rich one percenters who are about half females and half males,… Read more »
Don’t you know that its ok to be racist, sexist and elitiest against white males. You can call me honky, whiteboy or any name you want and its ok. You can give my job to a woman who will go out on maternity leave and not come back, even if I had intended to stay in the job for the next 30 years non stop or at least until they shipped my job to China. Its ok, its all ok. Because I am just a whiteboy and whatever you to a whiteboy is ok, because just maybe my great, great,… Read more »
I think I liked this column better when it was written in 1992, after Clinton won.
Or after 2006, when the Democrats took control of Congress.
Or in 2008, when Obama won the first time.
Thought that was a no-no here.
What a relief to know that Nathan agrees the most important color in America remains…green.
I am not Nathan, I am Bill. My favorite color is blue. Not sure what his favorite color is.
Thars a title in there sir! “I am not Nathan, I am Bill.”
I’ll have my peeps submit (posthumously) MY crappy transcript of a poor shredded, abused boy’s life to you. There will be the failed-christian version and the failed mortal’s version. Guess which one they will send to you? We’ll make a killing!
I just won’t be able to attend the ALA Annual Conf to sign promos.
Sad that a place like this puts down men. Article after article we read how society doesn’t understand the complexity of the male yet here we are relishing in the downfall of a segment of males in our society. In a society where we should be respecting and learning from people of ages gone by, an article is posted mocking them. It should also be noted that the so called “far right” is not limited to men, there are countless women at their side. I guess the idea of “accepting” people for who they are, what they believe goes only… Read more »
And for many like this author, its not just about marginalizing the absurdly broad category “White Conservative Men.” Its about vilifying all the imagery and connotations surrounding what they think the CWM is all about. Some like author-Nathan speak of generalized negatives like lynch-mobs, gay-hating, bible thumpers who hunt polar bears after beating some baby seals. The CWM is the new Jew in this Nazi-like regime thought process. We’ve reached that point where pulling Ward Cleaver out of the station-wagon and beating him Reginald Denny-style is chique and now peer-expected. They think this sad economy, destruction of the middle-class and… Read more »
But people like Nathan are working toward a crescendo exactly like China’s cultural revolution, where someone who just looked intelectual due to his eye-glasses would be murdered without cause.
“Conservative White Men.” General enough to murder without cause.
Your eulogy of the conservative white man is premature. It reminds me of the predictions of another contributor to this blog who heralded the demise of Rush Limbaugh after his imprudent remarks regarding Sandra Fluke. I seem to recall this particular blogger predicted Rush would lose market share and ultimately go the way of Don Imus, Bob Grant and otherconservative radio personalities. But it did not happen. Rush enjoys the following of a huge audience. Why? Because his conservative message resonates with a substantial segament of the electorate. Don’t celebrate yet. Obama is not going to get a free ride… Read more »
What goes around, comes around. Don’t gloat too much. 58 million Americans agreed with Romney’s vision of America. The most certain thing about American politics is that the pendulum swings both ways and it will swing back to the right, hopefully you are not in the way when it does. It is just this kind of insult that tears this country apart. Yes we believe in the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman, we believe men and women should compliment each other with their respective strengths, not compete with one another, we believe in hard work, not… Read more »
You mean the kindness your kind showed during the Bush years? Calling liberals America-haters, that kindness? Attacking anyone who opposed the Iraq War? THAT KINDNESS? Yes, what goes around comes around. And that is PRECISELY why we get to gloat!
Excuse me, it was the left that mercilessly attacked George W. Bush. Lampooning the President at every turn. Sadaam Hussein may not have had WMD’s, but he was an extremely dangerous despot in an unstable area of the world that threatened if not the US directly, certainly our strongest ally in the region, Israel. You may disagree with Bush’s policies, but the left launched personal attacks on him that were viewed abroad as less than full support for the what we were trying to accomplish in Iraq. So let’s continue the circle. Liberals gloat now, but the right will have… Read more »
You don’t have to look past this site alone to see how conservatives are viewed. Even so called Christians do their fair share of attacking .
Your belief is the belief of the kind of person alluded to in the text. Good thing they will gradually count for less and less.
Yes, karma goes around and comes around and there is a pendulum effect in politics. I support any and all attempts to have civil and honest debate about issues that impact all of us as a nation. The trouble most on the left have with the values you stated isn’t that you shouldn’t have those values or that those aren’t valid values, it’s the imposition of those values on others. Not everyone wants to marry a heterosexual partner and everyone has the right to determine gender roles for themselves in their own families. Everyone has the right to freedom of… Read more »
We have work to do. Olita, yes indeed we do. I really don’t believe that liberals understand the viewpoint of conservatives. For instance, marriage. Conservatives view marriage in the context of raising children. While there certainly are childless marriages, in the conservative viewpoint the purpose of marriage to raise a family that includes children. It is scientifically undisputed that the ideal model for raising children is the traditional one of one female mother and one male father. Do successful non traditional families exist(I know I will be getting a slew of anecdotal evidence of successful non-traditional family structures). Yes, they… Read more »
Actually, scientifically speaking, the ideal situation for raising healthy, well-adjusted children is a *large, extended family* and a child-centric outer culture. The nuclear family model is a very new invention in human history, and it seems clear it’s not perfect.
I am happy to see that you do have compassion for others. That is what the liberal/progressive worldview is based on, not the laws of one holy book or another, but on COMPASSION. Pure and simple.
Large extended families have their roots in the nuclear family. The nuclear family has been diminished by gay marriage, feminism, sexual freedom, birth control, abortion thereby diminishing the “large extended family”. These liberal notions of progressive thinking. I have never met a conservative that wasn’t compassionate. The difference between liberal compassion and conservative compassion is that a liberal will take a fish from a large commercial fisherman and give it to a hungry man who doesn’t know how to fish feeding him for the day, a conservative will leave the large commercial fisherman to sell his fish at the highest… Read more »
@ Courage …. Well said
Agreed, it’s not old white men who are becoming politically marginalized. It’s social conservatism. Your belief in “the sanctity of marriage” is a religious issue, not a civil one, and you are free to have a sanctified marriage. And your belief that “men and women should compliment each other with their respective strengths, not compete with one another” is fine… for your home. As is your belief in your god. Those are inarguably your rights. But the existing and growing majority of the country doesn’t think your rights extend to imposing those social constructs and religious beliefs on us. Rewards… Read more »
My belief in the sanctity of marriage is not a religious issue, it is for the purpose of promoting the best environment for raising children, which as a society we have an interest in doing for the stability and success of society. I do not seek to impose my belief in God on anybody, but I do expect, as does the Constituion, that you will respect my right to worship. I believe a society guided by the principles Jesus taught is a better society and those principles can be followed without invoking God or Jesus. The job of Conservatives is… Read more »
We seem to be in complete agreement. I agree marriage is good for children. That’s one of the reasons why we should extend its benefits to all families. Sanctification of marriage – making it holy and sacred – is something that religions do. They are welcome to keep doing it, and I don’t expect religions to perform or accept marriages they don’t think of as consistent with their religious guidelines. As noted previously, you having the kind of gender roles you like in your home and practicing your religion are inarguably your rights. And the Golden Rule is an excellent… Read more »
When I say the sanctity of marriage I mean the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman. If you read a prior post of mine I explain why that has proven to be the ideal marital model for raising children. While everything else may be “adequate”, it is not ideal and as a society we should strive for the best, especially when it comes to our children. Our public policy should reflect our reach for the ideal and not promote anything that does not do that. Christians do not hate homosexuals. As has been said many a time,… Read more »
Your statement that “our public policy should reflect our reach for the ideal and not promote anything that does not do that” implies that we should outlaw divorce, among other things. I propose that rather than prohibiting certain groups from accessing those policies that serve the ideal, we should promote and extend the opportunity and access to those positive benefits more widely. Perhaps that’s the essential difference in our positions. Your comments in other posts about undermining traditional marriage and families were all made during the Proposition 8 trial. The transcripts present a fascinating study in the anthropology of marriage… Read more »
I don’t think we should outlaw divorce, but I do think we should not make it so easy. I would also require a sort of “pre-cana” requirement on those seeking to marry (absent the religious aspects of that), in other words, no Las Vegas style marriages where the couple knows each other for a couple of hours before marrying. I would also, of course, would only allow marriages between one man and one woman. A marriage is a life time contract and people make life long decisions based on the representations made in advance of entering into that contract and… Read more »
Jeff, quit being disingenuous. The slave states wanted slaves counted in order to increase the size of their various congressional delegations, without actually having to you know, represent the slaves in any way whatsoever.
I’m a six year Army veteran (from the sixties,) and have mostly voted Dem. What’s more, I was an enlisted man, not an officer. I found the article obnoxious. For one thing, it’s sexist.
Yeah…and he was really creative with his invocation of Southern Secession. He forgot to mention Archie Bunker.
This “3/5 of a person” insult always aggravates me, because it means you don’t understand what the whole Three-Fifths Compromise meant. Slave states wanted the slave counted as A WHOLE PERSON, so they would get more votes. Northern states wanted the slave to NOT BE COUNTED AS A PERSON AT ALL, because only land-owners voted so counting the slave as a person and added a large population to states that were pro-slavery. If you’re going to insult the south, you could at least be educated about it and quit perpetuating an alarmingly wrong misconception. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise
Guys, he’s just saying Obama would be 3/5ths of a person. Regardless of the fact that the North benefitted from the 3/5 equation, its really still a bad thing. See? Stop nit picking.
It’s not nitpicking, it’s history. If someone has written that the US entered WWII because China bombed Guam they’d look like a fool.
3/5ths of a person has no mening outside of its meaning in the constitution.
The three-fifths compromise was over how much the South would get to count their slaves for representation in Congress, not some abstract metaphysical statement about what proportion of a “person” a black person constituted. And the fact is that the South (the slaveowners) wanted them counted as full persons for representation, while the North wanted them counted not at all.
You fail history forevar!
“And overall Obama still lost white women. The president captured only 42 percent of the white women’s vote, Romney captured 56 percent of it. So, white women actually were an area of strength for Romney.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/11/women-are-not-a-unified-voting-bloc/265007/#
For everyone thinking that it’s the demise of white MALES.
Loved the column. I want to do more writing myself. I echoed some of the same ideas in something I wrote yesterday. If you like it, give it a share:
http://spiffysean.com/2012/11/11/keeping-it-real/
I must admit that I take a certain amount glee from watching this election backfire in Republican and conservatives faces. They spent four years campaigning against President Obama, calling him everything but the one word too politically volatile to call him, yet despite their best efforts he not only won re-election, but he ironically won by the very margin Republicans swore Romney would win by. How can you not enjoy that? However, what I enjoy most is the delicious irony (if I may use that phrase) of watching liberals relish the marginalization of a group of people. Here we have… Read more »
White men are the new witches.
Agree,
White men are a pain in the ass. I get to say that. I am one. Whoooo Hoooooo! PAR-TAY!!!!
Its not an article about airheads, lay-abouts, losers or even light-weighters. Its not about white males woo hoo. Its about hating White Conservative Men. Try to remain focused…just a bit.
Keep your self loathing to yourself.
No liberal I know wants poor, working-class white men marginalized. We only want hateful, sexist, homophobic, intolerant assholes to loosen their stranglehold on our government.
And the picture or the room full of elderly “white-guys…” You see the VFW hats they are wearing? Its fkg VETERANS DAY, and this header picture pisses on them.
I challenge you Nathan: Explain to me how this abuse of heros helps you to integrate anyone worth having on your side!
VERY bad form all around here.
Plenty of veterans are not white men. Plenty of veterans are not conservative. Plenty of veterans support gay marriage, women’s rights, and other progressive social policies. Nathan is not abusing veterans, he’s explaining to the GOP what they currently seem incapable of admitting to themselves: that it’s time to get with the program.
By the way, I am a military veteran (9 years flying search-and-rescue helicopters in the Navy, with two combat-time deployments aboard aircraft carriers) and I was in no way offended by the article.
Well said. Way to push back on that clap trap from Rob.
“clap trap”
Such deep substance!
Well, he could have said “malarkey”…
Divisive gloating is so immature, as is the generalizing use of “guns, gays and barbecues.” Its weak. Stanky old cliches are the best you can come up with? Try discussing SUBSTANCE! Try illustrating substantial change that will occur with the regime held. Only weak character individuals would see such a grand victory as little more than an opportunity to stab a downed opponent. Sure! Revel in your victory! But if all you can come up with in reasoning is that the corps stinks, I hope you don’t represent the collectives on the left (but I fear you do). “Character” wins… Read more »
Oh, the irony. The ad banners at the top of my page are all about ending hate. Guess the algorithms haven’t figured out I’m a white guy, and so must be a hater.
I love this article. Great job, Nathan. Very funny. And not a little bit self deprecating. The far right conservative white guy is real. I know it for a fact. I’ve got half a dozen in my damn family. And you can spot them by the way the puff up when you suggest they exist. They have perfected the art of outraged indignation even as they once again trot out the Southern Strategy and a hundred other not so subtle ways of unifying their diminishing cause against those whose skin color or politics don’t quite meet their expectations. But we… Read more »
June Cleaver? Right next to Mitt on the stage.
There are quite a few conservative white women.
“But we should also admit that all of us male anglos are on some minute level, that white guy who’s feeling a little bit of panic.” I’m half white, but consider myself Asian. I worry, but not for myself being half Asian I’m used to fighting uphill battles. I worry for white friends and family. I’ve been to Asian clubs and was reminded of how white I was. A Chinese friend once complained to me that a mutual friend was being picked on because she was white. Lucky for them, I wasn’t around. It might not just be white men… Read more »
Question to the editors- how does an article like this support or align with the stated mission of the GMP? Someone made the choice to publish it. I’m a white, conservative, southern, gun owning, religious man. My wife and I donate a considerable amount of money and resources to our community. In the coming months we are donating a very nice piano to our kid’s school. I could sell it- God knows I could use an extra $2000, but the piano at school has dead keys and sounds awful. We also volunteer many hours of our time (approximately 120 hours… Read more »
Texpat, your opinions are absolutely welcome here. The Good Men Project has articles by Christians, conservatives, white people and men. To suggest that we do not consider them good, is unsupported by the facts. What is happening here is a robust conversation about life, love, god and politics. And that includes Nathan’s point of view as well. We all have our opinions. It’s the marketplace of ideas. Bring what you’ve got and see if it flies. Hearts and minds, my friend. Hearts and minds.
Hi Mark, I think you are absolutely correct. We need to hear from both sides of the aisle. I’d be interested to see an article on the comparative analysis of the articles on this site that are written by conservatives and liberals when it comes to politically-oriented subjects. I’d be interested to see if there are similarities and differences in the substance, tone, and language used to critique and debate the other side’s positions. Also, I’m not sure because I’m not a “white guy,” but I think the usage of that phrase might come off as insulting to some. I’m… Read more »
It seems to me, and I will allow for the possibility that I am wrong, but it seems to me by reading the articles that are posted on GMP and by the political leanings of the editors and publishers of GMP that the viewpoint that gets the greatest platform and exposure are those of liberals, feminists and homosexual sympathizers. I submit that most older (50 and over) white men lean conservative, but I don’t see that viewpoint represented in articles that appear here or in your editorial board. And isn’t the publisher of this site a woman? How many feminist… Read more »
While i really enjoy the substance of your article, i take major issue with the one line “except in the South where they’re still fighting The Civil War.” I’m a queer feminist woman who voted straight democrat, and i was born in Georgia and raised in North Carolina. To write off the entire South as stuck in the Civil War is to entirely not recognize the strides we have made – and will continue to make – in terms of human rights. Yes, the legal track record is not perfect. Amendment One’s passing in NC just this past May is… Read more »
Well, maybe if y’all got together and lynched a few million white men, then the smug northern liberals here could take your region seriously.
I find the the title of this article insulting, shallow, lacking editorial integrity & honesty at the seem time truly representative of everything wrong with political views or ideologies & the misguided people who believe it’s a blood sport instead of different methodology of improvement of our society & government for us all & by the way I voted for Obama based on what is best for the country as I see it, not because I hate Romney or the political right who I vote for in the past for the same reasons i voted for Obama which is again… Read more »
By the way I am not necessarily a white guy conservative or otherwise.
If you are there is certainly nothing wrong with being white, male or conservative.
Of course you are not. The “old, white guy” stereotype is the liberal way of demagouging conservatives. Once the Republicans freed the slaves, the Democrats eventually figured out that the only way they could keep them on the plantation is to buy their votes. They have done that with every demographic: every brown person is an immigrant, unless they are black, in which case they are poor, and women are simply a bunch of uteri walking around. Gays, disabled, union member, whatever you are, the Democrats know how to buy your vote. But, to be a conservative, you just have… Read more »
“New Hampshire became the first state in this country’s history to have a female governor and all female representatives in Congress”
Cool, according to progressives, it should be the first state without crime or violence. The poor, old, and disabled should be well taken care of and every child born will be loved.
But of course, if bad things happen that will make Conservatives very happy. It’s a pattern we’ve seen time and time again. When Democrats win elections onservatives want the country to fail for their own political ends. No matter how many people suffer.
I’m making fun of the sexist idea that men have made a mess of the world and the world would be so much better if women ran it.
Looking at the graphic, I can’t help but notice a double standard here:
President Obama crying: a sign that he is strong enough to show emotion.
Republicans crying: a chance to gloat and/or absolutely hilarious.
I’ve heard a lot about the White People Mourning Romney Tumblr and I’ve noticed quite a few kids in there. Seriously, we’re at the point where children’s tears are funny?
I’m sorry, but when I see the hateful hypocrits who spent the last five years (including the 2008 campaign) insulting Obama and his family with the worst personal attacks on a president in living memory, I can’t help but want to laugh in their faces. They were all so damn sure that God was on their side against Satan himself that they couldn’t possibly lose. They called liberals Godless, American haters, ignorant, stupid, lazy, terrorists lovers and on and on. So to hell with them. They deserve all the derision and laughter we can throw at them.
Even their kids?
We’re better than that.
Did you forget about the movie detailing how to kill Bush?
How does it feel to be so dumb?
The term “far right” is nothing but an anti intellectual buzzword thrown around by typical leftist loons who are further to the left than FDR.
Admit it Democrats, your party is as anti white as the ANC and you have permanently lost the white vote.
“Progressivism” is simply “positive discrimination” against white people.
Whats the weather like on your planet?
You mean the movie made by a British company? How is the American Left responsible for that? And no sane liberal wanted anything bad to happen to Bush. The thought of president Cheney still sends a chill up my spine.
“No sane liberal wanted anything to happen to Bush.”
True maybe, but your argument depends on the ratio of sane to insane among liberals. Are you willing to give social conservatives the same benefit of doubt you extend to liberals on the issue of ‘sanity’?
I was not making that argument. Please tell me when the last time a congressman from the left called Bush a liar during the State of the Union Address. I forget when they did that last. The left has crazy people, sure, but the not as loony as those on the right seem to have in the limelight. Claiming that “legitimate rape” rarely results in pregenancy is proof of why men have no right telling women what to do with their bodies. My original point is that whenever people point out the blatant disrepect that Obama is shown (many on… Read more »
Does “shrub” ring a bell? Quit pretending like your crap doesnt stink. Assholism is equally distributed across the political spectrum.
The lack of self-awareness about conservatives is the issue. The 1950s social paradigm never existed because it denied rights to people who were female, black, gay, young, and poor. I’m a liberal white guy living in Atlanta, Georgia. This summer I watched my family, friends, neighbors, and colleagues line up to buy chicken from a gay hating business, Chick-Fil-A, that gave money to far right groups. Essentially, my community chose chicken sandwiches over people. The guy I voted for lost in Georgia by 35 points, Tuesday night. I think my wife and I are just waiting for our three daughters… Read more »
Sooo you’re going to bring your kids up in an area that you consider full of bigotry and THEN leave?
Bigotry is everywhere….up here in the North, too
“Bigotry is everywhere….up here in the North, too”
Ahem, everyone knows that bigotry exists nowhere in the world other than the Southern United States.
Are you being sarcastic?
I combine libertarian and liberal. Libertarian – micro (get rid of PC and cultural controls.) Liberal – macro – (control the heck out of business and get business out of government.) I think that this kind of triumphalist nonsense creates conservatives. The “privilege” trope probably creats a conservative every ten seconds.
Hank:
” Liberal – macro – (control the heck out of business…
every time I see someone misuse the word “liberal” like that I cringe.
liberal stems from the latin word liber meaning free.
Sed nos Latinam non vocamus. Yes, Alberich, I agree. Okay, I’m a socialist at the macro level. I also favor returning to pre-Nixon 14% tariffs to reinternalize out industry. We need a farmer-labor party desperately. The Dems are only culturalist.
A farmer-labor party is complete leftwing fantasy. Unions have no sympathy whatever for the problems of the self employed.
That’s why I was suggesting libertarianism at the micro level, socialism at the macro level.
Unions have no sympathy whatever for the problems of the self employed.
Perhaps unions/ guilds operate differently here in the UK as Doctors (and I believe Barristers) are often self employed * with highly effectively guilds/ unions that:
1. limit the number of approved medical schools, student numbers, practitioners
2. continue to secure high salaries for their members
*my understanding is that one of the major reasons Doctors finally supported the creation of the NHS, was because they were allowed to keep their self employed status