Who Has the Power in Dating?

Doctor NerdLove challenges the notion that sex is more easily attainable for women.

Originally appeared at Doctor NerdLove

I’ve noticed that there’s a topic that comes up repeatedly when it comes to talking about dating issues, whether it’s about the problems with being a Nice Guyonline dating, or even just approaching new people: the idea that women hold all of the power in dating. They are The Choosers, the gatekeepers to the Promised Land1, cruel temptresses who taunt men by being attractive and yet unavailable. Because sex is so much more easily attainable for women – or so the conventional wisdom goes – they have luxury of being able to define the standards which men must meet, wantonly cutting off men who are not rich, tall douchebags with square jaws and fast cars. Men feel helpless; they feel that they are forced to leap through hoops in order to win women’s approval and hope that she will pick him against all odds.

Too bad that it’s bullshit.

In fact, not only is the idea that women somehow control all the power in sex and dating not true, but it’s a case of people asking the wrong question. It’s a cluster of self-limiting beliefs that holds people back from meeting new and exciting potential partners, whether it’s for sex or for relationships.

 

“ANY WOMAN COULD GET SEX ANY TIME SHE WANTS”

The Belief:

This is one of the most pernicious myths about dating out there. The idea is that because it is supposedly easier for women to find a sexual partner than it is for a man, they are the dominant force, the buyer in a buyer’s market. Because men supposedly can’t wander into the mythical Bar (and it’s always a “a woman can wander into a bar” scenario) and wander out five minutes later with a woman eager to jump his bones,women by default have greater power when it comes to dating. Men have to compete in order to win her approval while a woman gets to pick and choose who she wants based on whatever arbitrary standards she feels like in the moment.

“Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! Pick me!”

 

Why It’s Bullshit

To start with, there are plenty of women out there who aren’t rolling into a bar and rolling out with a bedmate. There are many women who struggle to find dates, whether it’s because they’re too tall, too big, too whatever.

Let’s be honest. This complaint really translates as “the hot woman I want to fuck but won’t give me the time of day can get sex any time she wants.”

Beyond that, the ability to get a sexual partner within a pre-set amount of time or with whatever suitable definition of “ease” might be isn’t exclusive to women. Men have equal ability to find sexual partners as women do… it just involves being willing to lower your standards to being willing to sleep with anyone who offers or shows an interest. Women who aren’t conventionally attractive, whose body types differ from the culturally accepted ideal or otherwise don’t meet one’s personal levels of sexiness are out there, hoping to get laid just as much as everybody else.

The same applies to women. A woman’s supposed ability to get laid easily or quickly doesn’t correspond with the desirability of the available sex partners. A woman could go into a bar and pick up a man for sex, yes, but it doesn’t mean that she’s going to necessarily find someone she’s attracted to.

And to be perfectly frank, if all a woman wants is to get off, vibrators are safer, easier and aren’t going to use the last of the milk in their coffee the morning after.

The problem with asking this question is that it assumes that women and men have the same goals when it comes to sex. Guys frequently get hung up on numbers; how many people have you slept with, how quickly can you get a woman to sleep with you. They have a tendency to fall for the old axiom that sex is like pizza; even when it’s bad, it’s still pretty good.

…and both are best when provided by someone dressed like a giant rat.

Having had a lot of bad pizza and regretful sex… yeah, not so much. The problem is that men are viewing women through the prism of the male experience: the goal of getting sex as quickly as possible, as easily as possible. While exceptions certainly exist, women on the whole don’t approach casual sex the way that men do; they’re not looking for how quickly they can find a pole for the hole, they’re looking for someone who excites them and can provide the sex they want. Johnny Pick-Up Line with the over-greased hair and the Affliction tee may be ready and eager to be the droid she’s looking for, but the fact that he’s willing to bang her doesn’t translate into “yay, I have all the power here”, it’s “great, another asshole who wants to get into my pants.”

There are certain areas where it is in fact, a buyer’s market for women. In online dating, for example,  the number of men on dating sites tends to easily outnumber the women. A woman will find frequently find her profile flooded with emails and winks.

Now ask her just how many of those come from people she’d want to talk to at all, never mind go on a date with.

“WOMEN ONLY WANT TALL, RICH, HANDSOME ALPHA MALES”

The Belief:

It stands to reason that since women have all of the power when it comes to dating, they get to pick and choose from ALL THE MENZ… so of course, the only men who get laid are alpha males with lantern jaws and six-pack abs. Everybody else – the beta males, the socially awkward, the chubby, husky dudes, the symetrically challenged – they’re left holding the bag and their dicks, crying impotent, sexless tears. Even goddamn Disney gets in on the act: the unspoken moral of The Hunchback of Notre Dame is “You can have a beautiful soul and sing like an angel, but the cheerleader is still going home with the quarterback.”

Thanks for the mixed messages, Disney!

 

Why It’s Bullshit

Take a stroll through Wal-Mart on a Saturday afternoon. You’re going to see lots of dudes who aren’t exactly making the cover of People’s Sexiest Man shopping with their girlfriends and wives.

“But look at the women they’re with!” I hear some of you cry, at which point we’re right back to the same issue as before: “the impossibly hot woman I want to date/sleep with won’t date me.”

So straight talk: societally accepted standards of beauty kind of suck. They promote literally impossible standards in myriad ways – both overt and subtle. Beauty standards as we’re taught in western culture are European features and bodies and skin that can only be achieved via money, surgery and lots and LOTS of Photoshop. And to be perfectly honest, people can be pretty damn shallow regardless of gender.

That being said, one common issue I talk about is the overdeveloped-and-undeserved sense of entitlement that a lot of men2 have. They tend to believe that they deserve a smoking hottie, a perfect 10 regardless of their own looks, wealth, lifestyle or personality.  It’s not a real surprise to find out that a Nice Guy who doesn’t take care of his appearance and believes that he’s owed a girlfriend is having a hard time getting that 10 to give him her number. Meanwhile he sees Studly GoodNight go up, slap her on the ass, tell her obscene jokes and takes her home that night to fuck her until her eyes bleed.

QED: all women want are hot assholes, not nice guys who may not be the social ideal. Look around and all you see are beautiful people fucking other beautiful people while wonderful – if less facially gifted – men are stuck home alone.

The problem is that this falls under what’s known as the confirmation bias: the tendency to only believe evidence that validates an already existing belief. In this case: “I am not attractive. Hot women do not want to date me. I only see hot women dating hot men. Ugly men do not get girlfriends or wives.”

And yet somehow Patton Oswalt is happily married with a lovely daughter. As is Alan Moore, for that matter.

“You are now powerless before my sex beard”

For that matter, we can add Dennis Kucinich, Woody Allen, Henry Kissinger… In fact, the “ugly guy pulling hot women” trope is so well known that TVTropes has an entry on it.

Before you start, let me forestall the inevitable “Great, so you don’t have to be hot, you just have to be powerful/rich/more talented than God”. There is far more to attraction than looks – though they help – or being in the rarified 1% of money, talent or fame. I have friends who aren’t conventionally attractive, aren’t especially rich and are certainly not powerful… and yet have amazing girlfriends and wives. Why? Because they have lives. They have passion in their life and know how to convey it. They have the confidence – and more importantly, balls. They can make women laugh, feel special without putting them on a pedestal and yet not come across as needy. And they’re not the only ones out there.

Speaking of balls…

“MEN HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE RISKS”

The Belief:

It’s the 21st century, a post-Third Wave Feminist era. Women are closer to true social equality than ever before: wages are growing closer to parity, women outnumber men in college attendance and are achieving leadership positions in corporations and government in ways that previous generations could only dream of.

And yet men have to do all the work when it comes to courtship. Men still have to be the aggressors, men are the ones who have to make the approach, call first, ask her out, pay for the date… all of the heavy lifting when it comes to dating. Women are clearly either lazy, entitled or just get off on having men subjugate themselves.

Why It’s Bullshit:

Let’s be honest: more often than not the men who complain most about this are the men who would prefer not to be approaching women themselves, whether due to approach anxiety, a fear of rejection or even just not being sure whether or not she’s interested. As a general rule, men who are able to approach women aren’t too concerned about why women won’t make the first move because they’re more than happy to make the move themselves.

Now to be sure: there are plenty of women out there who will happily be the aggressor when it comes to relationships. Women who are willing to come over and say “hey” to a guy they find attractive aren’t unicorns or the Loch Ness monster. Hell, they’re not even the okapi. They just tend to be discounted because of confirmation bias; they don’t “count” because they’re approaching other people or because they’re the exception that proves the rule or… or… or…

But for the sake of argument, let’s look at why women may not want to make the first move.

To start with: even in this day and age, women are socialized to be passive and submissive towards men. They’re taught to be accommodating, to not cause offense… and to not be aggressive or forward. And in fact, many men actively dislike women who are agressive sexually or romantically; they prefer the standard gender roles and find women who make the first move to be intimidating.

Another reason why she may not be making the first move? Because you can tell a lot about a guy by if and how he makes his approach. Does he have the confidence to walk up and make his interest known? Confidence after all is sexy indeed; the guy who can’t quite work up the guts to walk over and introduce himself isn’t winning any favors by trying to call her over by sheer willpower. At the same time, she can generally be assure that someone who makes the point of coming over to talk to her is interested in her; if she goes up to a guy to talk to him… well, is it that he’s genuinely interested, or is it that he’s willing to run with the fact that someone came to him and any warm body will do?

For that matter: she may not be coming up to talk to you because… well, she just isn’t that into you. Sorry. You might be able to spark her interest if you were to go over and show that you actually do bring a lot to the table, but since you didn’t, she certainly isn’t going to be able to read your mind.

But the biggest, most likely reason that she’s not making the first move? The odds are good that she’s just as nervous as you are.

I know, it goes against all those beliefs about how women are the choosers and have their pick of men but the fact of the matter is, women suffer from the same insecurities, fears and imagined worst-case-scenariosmen do. Think of how many times you’ve looked over at a woman standing with all of her friends and wishing you could catch her alone so you wouldn’t have to deal with the entire group? Guess what? She’s feeling the same nervousness. Is she going to get mocked and shut down by your bros? Is that girl you’re standing with your girlfriend or just someone you happen to know? Is she going to have to fight them for your attention? Are you going to just make fun of her when you consider yourself out of her league?

Every single awkward moment you’ve imagined, every single way things could go wrong that you’ve war-gamed in advance that freezes you in your tracks?

She’s felt them too.

SO WHO REALLY HAS THE POWER?

Well… nobody. And everybody.

To quote a wise man who knows a lot about the dynamics of relationships:

“Power resides where men believe it resides. It’s a trick. A shadow on the wall.”

“Also, it’s a very bad idea to tell the queen you’re going to snitch to the king BEFORE you do it.”

 

The point being is that the reason why so many people think that women have all of the power in dating is because they see themselves as powerless. They cling to self-limiting beliefs that confirm all of their worst fears and insecurities and validate their decision not to risk being rejected. In fact, they’ve been rejected in advance and that their only hope is that you somehow struggle hard enough to “win” her approval.

It originates from a scarcity mentality, the idea that there are so few women out there that each time you get rejected, you are that much closer to being shut out of dating and relationships entirely. Instead of seeing every encounter with a woman as a chance to meet someone new and find out whether or not she’s someone you should be interested in, each potential approach is a last ditch effort to ward off loneliness and being emotionally bereft.

Men have just as much power in the dating scene as women do, if they only would reframe the interaction in their minds. Don’t see approaching a woman as supplicating or auditioning for the role of “suitor”, see it as evaluating whether she’s someone worth your getting to know. You don’t want to spend time desperately trying to make something happen in order to make her choose you, go out with the idea that you’re trying to decide whether you want to choose them.

Instead of clinging to the idea that women are “in charge” because of bullshit ideas about how easily they can get laid or what “all women” are attracted to, spend more time thinking about whether their interests match up with yours. Talk to her with the aim of finding out whether or not she’s as cool as she seems to be. Is she someone who has something going for her besides her looks? Does she live a life that you would like to be a part of? It’s easy enough to decide off the bat whether or not you’d want to be balls deep in her by the end of the night, but is she someone you could have an engaging conversation with after you’ve blown your load?

When you change the mental frame from “supplicant” to “chooser”, you go flip the script. You adopt an abundance mentality. You’re no longer going in with an unattractive aura of neediness, you’re someone with an attractive life and value to offer and you’re looking for a partner in crime to share it with. If she doesn’t like you, well, so the hell what? There are plenty of other women out there and you’re just one step closer to finding one who fits you.

And that attitude, my friends, is real power.
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About Harris O'Malley

Harris O'Malley provides geek dating advice at his blog Paging Dr. NerdLove, as well as writing the occasional guest review for Spill.com and appearing on the podcast The League of Extremely Ordinary Gentlemen. He can be found dispensing snark and advice on Facebook and Twitter (@DrNerdLove.)

Dr. NerdLove is not really a doctor.

Comments

  1. William B. says:

    I have a new theory about this post and Dr. NerdLove. My guess is that, being at one point a guy not great with women, he surveyed his life and then took 110% responsibility for each and every thing that wasn’t going his way. His “What am I doing wrong?”/”What can I improve?” attitude functions as a “constructive pathology” in that while he has a great sense of personal agency his brain isn’t attuned to ways that the poor attitudes and behavior of women might contribute to the status quo. He is hypercritical of men and never-critical of women because that’s how he pulled himself out of the abyss. He talks to other men like he talks or talked to himself.

    • Sarah says:

      The thing is, you can’t really fight the system. I used to be angry at men because they ignored me in favor of women who are more physically attractive. I wanted men to look past the physical and value me for my other qualities. It didn’t seem fair. I’m a kind person, smart, I love sex, I love having fun, why can’t that be enough? But wanting doesn’t make it so. I can do more for my love life by dressing sexy and staying in shape than I can by developing my mind or character. My mind and character may keep a man, but won’t attract him to me. It’s just a fact of life. Men can be angry about women’s tastes and preferences but it won’t change anything, so at some point you have to make the best of it.

      • Archy says:

        And if they did give you more attention, would you get annoyed and try suggest that’s all men want like countless other women seem to be suggesting here? Men can’t win either way it seems, if we are interested it’s shallow n about looks, if we aren’t then we’re shallow and too picky. If our standards are too high, we’re shallow, if they’re low then we have no standards and fuck everything that moves.

        • Jules says:

          @Archy….This is a pretty accurate description of dating for most single modern American women.

          They can pretend all they wish, but reality IS reality. There is no way in hell anyone is going to tell me their is a shortage of decent and available single men in America. Why? Because there isn’t!

          In my humble opinion, the real problem is unrealistic expectations by women, of men. And this is rooted in narcissism (I deserve the best!, I am not settling!, Love yourself!…). Btw, women do not have a monopoly on narcissism.

          The most narcissistic men are alpha males. All studies show this. However, this male is the MOST desired by women!

          • The Blurpo says:

            ” In my humble opinion, the real problem is unrealistic expectations by women, of men. And this is rooted in narcissism (I deserve the best!, I am not settling!, Love yourself!…). Btw, women do not have a monopoly on narcissism. ”

            The mystery method (PUA theory) actually cover this, a short syntesis of it is our brains are still living in the jungle, and a woman have better chances of survival if she gets the sympathy of the Alpha (or the alpha group) rather than be left alone with a weak male that is unable to protect her and the child and feed them. Men have more survival choices, women have more reproductive choices (somehow its also compatible to a certain extent with feminist theory of male privilege and patriarchy) so the rational brain say something, the instinct make her do something else. Same thing for males, in the right condition, no matter who you are or where you are, you may meet one day a young woman who make you go crazy. We see that happens all the time. I see that happens, since I work in a night club, with lot of drunk people. Drunk people are not so rational so the instinct takes over easely, so I have seen alot of fights (non violent and sometimes violent) of guys and girls going angry on each other, because she flirt with another guy, or he is drolling on another girl. Its sexual instinct plain and simple.

      • Jules says:

        “Men can be angry about women’s tastes and preferences but it won’t change anything, so at some point you have to make the best of it.”

        Precisely. That is what I elected to do. I have made the “best of it” by only having friends with benefits. It works for me and it works for them.

        As you so accurately stated, you cannot fight the system. So, figure out a way to go around it.

  2. Aya says:

    S-252, I don’t get how the first two sentences don’t make sense together, as long as the ‘perfect 10′ comment is in regards to what the man says, not the opinion of the commentor. I find men of all different body types, face shapes, hair, and races to be beautiful. That doesn’t mean each one of them is entitled to their own personal Megan Fox. I love the Dove campaign, especially in what it attempts to do to help young girls and teens (I was never a fat girl, but at around 10 years old, I developed anorexia and bulimia that seriously threatened my life). You can learn to love your body and see the beauty in uncoventional types, but not feel the need to ‘get a hottie’ or criticize others. It’s more about pointing out a hypocrisy in a man who only wants someone conventionally perfect, rates people by numbers, and tears apart the looks of other people when he himself doesn’t have the looks, body, or hygiene that society deems attractive (although it doesn’t mean that he can’t be beautiful in his own way).

    • Jules says:

      @Aya…

      “It’s more about pointing out a hypocrisy in a man who only wants someone conventionally perfect, rates people by numbers, and tears apart the looks of other people when he himself doesn’t have the looks, body, or hygiene that society deems attractive (although it doesn’t mean that he can’t be beautiful in his own way)”

      I must agree with you Aya. I hear and see men on a weekly basis critiquing women and they themselves are pathetic looking (comb overs, out of shape, poor hygiene etc).

      We all have our preferences….I love a lot of different women. I am biased towards brunettes and Hispanic women because of the dark hair. I love dark hair (and a nice ass). I rarely go after these so called “hotties.” Honestly, the thing I see first is the ass and the hair, in that order.

      Call it objectification. But I am being honest. I start below and work my way up! Just because she does not have a nice ass or dark hair does not turn me off. Not does her size. She can be a 4 or 14.

      As I left the gym yesterday, there was a very well built redhead coming in. She had some tattoos. I don’t really like tattoos……Not very attractive in the face. But, she had a very warm smile. So, she appealed to me. Most guys would not find her attractive…..I would certainly talk to her (or try). I want to know what she is all about….

      • S-252 says:

        I must agree with you Aya. I hear and see men on a weekly basis critiquing women and they themselves are pathetic looking (comb overs, out of shape, poor hygiene etc).

        What. So you only have the right to critique someone’s appearance if you’re yourself good looking? That’s an interesting view.

        It’s also interesting that you witness it on a weekly basis. All I ever see and hear, is women criticizing other women. Jealousy, backstabbing, competition, all that sweet loveliness between the pretentious, overly cheery toothy smile “hiiiiiie” greetings. <3

    • S-252 says:

      I love the Dove campaign, especially in what it attempts to do to help young girls and teens (I was never a fat girl, but at around 10 years old, I developed anorexia and bulimia that seriously threatened my life).

      If confidence is more important for males than females for success, why is the Dove campaign aimed at females, most of which are already way too confident hypergamous entitlement queens anyway?

      And Barbie dolls? Don’t get me started on G.I. Joe and He-Man.

      Besides, those anorexics have reached all the wrong conclusions about why supermodels are so skinny. It’s not because skinny is sexy, but vice versa. The fashion designers don’t want the audience looking at the T&A, but the clothes. The models are skinny because they have to look like asexual coat hangers that don’t take any attention away from whatever they’re wearing.

      If only those poor bloody teenage girls realized that, I wouldn’t have to sit here being annoyed at those one-sided Dove campaigns. Fer chrissakes, they’re also trying to get men to confuse “curves” with “rolls”. Not gonna happen. That’s just a sad denial of reality. Obesity is unhealthy.

  3. SnorkMaiden says:

    This is funny, i’m a female, and the dominant narrative out there seems to be ‘there are no good men out there, men hold all the power in dating, they have unrealistic expectations, it’s a buyers’ market yada yada’… and here are a bunch of guys on the interweb saying the same about women. Aren’t we all silly?

    Just a question.. i am a bit of an alpha female, of somewhat above average looks, and i always seem to get approached by alpha male guys who often turn out to have narcissistic tendencies that render them, erm, unsuitable relationship prospects. It’s nice and all, but I just want a regular nerdy guy. Men with lantern jaws and Ferraris need not apply. Where can I find one??

    • The Blurpo says:

      “This is funny, i’m a female, and the dominant narrative out there seems to be ‘there are no good men out there, men hold all the power in dating, they have unrealistic expectations, it’s a buyers’ market yada yada’… and here are a bunch of guys on the interweb saying the same about women. Aren’t we all silly?”

      Maybe because the fools that made the narrative didnt consult the guys. Thats not a anomaly, its quite normal actually. Thts why I ignore the narrative, far to many holes (no irony).

      I dont know how your dating habits are, but how about approacing guys? you dont need to mimic the dudes approaching you, but you could start a (innocent) conversation with a cute guy?

    • Archy says:

      How nerdy? Try gaming conventions? Maybe dating sites for “nerds”? Approach guys you like, take the initiative. Some may be shy though but if you can work past that then you might find a great guy who simply needs to be shown his greatness. I know quite a few decent guys and girls who are shy and unsure of their potential…

    • Jules says:

      Studies clearly show a very high correlations between alpha male behavior(s) and narcissism. Yet, it these men whom women seem to desire. I guess they are looking the “best providers.”

      Btw, does lantern jaw = square jaw?

      As to where to find the nerdy guys? Well, the tech industry is known for such men. Find out where the tech cos are and where the folks go for happy hour. Just a thought.

    • wellokaythen says:

      “It’s nice and all, but I just want a regular nerdy guy. Men with lantern jaws and Ferraris need not apply.”

      Hey, now. A man could be a nerd and have a lantern jaw. Bruce Campbell comes to mind. Dunno what kind of car he drives these days, but probably not a Ferrari.

  4. dave says:

    Either women approach me or forget it! They are really surprised when I take them someplace nice and pay for it. I guess I will not be treated the way these guys put themselves under the bus to begin with.

  5. wellokaythen says:

    Some people are really angry at men for expressing an interest in fabulously beautiful women, and for some people these men appear to feel entitled to something.

    No one is entitled to sex or entitled to a relationship. But, you are totally entitled to your preferences, and in a dating situation you have a right to express your preferences. Other people can say what they want about what you “deserve,” but your preferences are your own. Aim high, aim low, aim for the middle, whatever you prefer, and others will choose for themselves.

    It’s not a question of what you’ve earned or what you deserve, it’s really a question of likelihood. There is nothing shameful or unethical about being so particular about a mate that you’ll never find someone to meet those strict requirements. It’s impractical, it’s unrealistic, but it’s not “wrong,” and it’s really only hurting the fantasist, not other people. I fail to see how it hurts women when a man has completely unrealistic demands when looking for a date. He’s destroying his own chances, but why would a woman want to be with a man who doesn’t want a real person anyway?

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