What If Being Gay Were A Choice?

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Noah Brand is an Editor-at-Large at Good Men Project, and possibly also a cartoon character from the 1930s. His life, when it is written, will read better than it lived. He is usually found in Portland, Oregon, directly underneath a very nice hat.

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  1. That it’s not about reason?

  2. Well yes, I think you are missing something. There would be a legal and moral case to be made if checking the other box caused some harm, in some way, to someone, and with enough impact to override other moral things that matter….like individual freedom to live your life.

    Morality needs to be grounded in reality, and real reality, not parched scripture written with ostrich quills.

    More concise – what Justin said.

  3. Am I missing something? …. Yup!

    It’s easy to win arguments, even with yourself, when you reduce this world and reality to linear, simplistic deterministic logic. That allows the “does not compute defence”, and the opportunity to consign yourself and others to groups using a nice tick in a box – Occam’s razor- and the limits of individual knowledge to define both good and bad from your own image. Aint it great to be angelic and self deified at the same time.

    And as for “Let us imagine a world where choosing your sexuality is as conscious, and awkward, as sex ed was.” – hell the embarrassment factors that I saw abounding, all at +10, would have guaranteed men who dresses neatly and enjoy Sondheim – and even got them to join in the Amateur Operatic Society… and bake Quiche! P^)

  4. I’ve never, ever understood the argument about choice. Left un-influenced, un-molested, non-imprinted with one sexuality or the other, boys do emerge with one orientation or the other. I’ve met people as kids who are adults now who just simply were destined to be same-gender-attracted. I knew them well enough to know that there were no external stimuli training them in any direction or “choice.”

    These days, I know of two boys (6th & 8th grade) who have publicly disclosed being gay. In some subcultures and micro societies, such as mine in NH, neanderthal hate-responses simply don’t happen. I see that nationwide as well. The fk-tards with the tactical, weaponized Bibles are isolated and clustered-up into their own sick little fear-pods. Someone, something, NOT THE BIBLE, told them that they could pick a cause and play Police, Jury and Executioner. The Bible NEVER commissioned ANY man to enforce God’s laws or perceived laws. The topic-choice they made is rather interesting though — why not gambling? (an essay for another time)

    I remember the conversations as a kid. We did not even know that same-gender-attraction was considered by some to be wrong. CHOICE was never a topic of discussion.

    I’m walking through this Memory Lane only to point-out that at the origins and foundations of a life (childhood), an orientation IS. I did not say “is chosen.” I did not claim “is created.” I said “is.” in childhood, the orientation exists.

    Now, I have also seen people like ME who had heavy-heavy imprinting of same-gender sexual activity on a huge scale. Some professionals will claim such imprinting can “cause one to be gay.” I fully doubt it.

    My first 1000 orgasms were caused by, triggered with, because of sick, entitled male morons who were trained to take what they wanted.

    None of that imprinted anything on me except fear of all things sexual once I graduated from childhood. I still got all goofy when certain girls talked to me, looked at me or would even agree to go out with me. I was sexually attracted to girls. To this day, a hot-babe to me is a woman with a fit body.

    Sorry to be long — Choice? ‘Tis a red herring.

  5. Richard Aubrey says:

    This is a hypothetical, but we can go with it.
    Presumably, one could change back, right? Would there be advertising? “Stay gay.” “Go Straight” Litigation?
    Presumably if the thing were a choice, the process of going one way or the other might be difficult. Would there be legal limits on the number of times, or frequency? Maybe the reparative therapy would work in this hypothetical.
    Do you have to be of the age of majority to make the change? Give legal notice? Will stationery companies provide boxes of notepaper whose purpose is informing soon-to-be-ex-partners? Man, that dates me. I imagine there’ll be a Facebook thingy to make it quick and avoid the postage.

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