If Cheerleaders Don’t Convert You, Chuck Norris Will

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  1. Christian, it’s pretty obvious this is a conflict between church and state. If this were a parochial or private school, then they can promote their moral values freely. However with publicly funded schools, teachers and politicians should not be endorsing religion, politics, or morality. Or we need to include all forms of morality and religion to include all beliefs like Scientology, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Mormon, Atheists, Zoroastrian, Sunni and Shia Islam, etc. We get into the shakey moral territory about creation, faith, marriage, traditions, right and wrong, and how many wives are “ok”?, so on and so forth.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

    Since you don’t own an oil rig, one question, do you own a cowboy hat?

  2. Great points Christian. In addition, if this school and cheerleaders (and Rick Perry and Chuck Norris apparently) are believers in the Bible, they should remember Romans 13:1-7 which essentially says obeying God includes following the law. If there is law separating church and state, the state is funding the school, and you want to obey God, then as representatives of this state funded school you shouldn’t publicly post Bible verses at school events. As Christians, we should be retaining and sharing our faith in much more personal and meaningful ways, while not blurring the lines of the law.

  3. Jacob, excellent point. We still operate as a Christian nation or at least a religious nation whether people are practicing or not.

    Even the concepts of love thy neighbor, do unto others, follow the law, thou shalt not kill or covet your neighbor’s children and lock them in the basement for 10 years…e’hem…continue to resonate with our society at large. Most major religions have similar moral codes of conduct about right and wrong.

    But it’s clear that the school is blurring lines according to our civil rights laws.

  4. Will Best says:

    The local government levies a $7,000 tax on my house annually to pay for the school. In your world will it refund that money if I opt to send my kids to private school rather than pay for the community school?

    Should not the community school reflect my children’s values (which are ostensibly mine) and allow them to express those values accordingly?

    Does the school mandate these quotes (being truly establishment), or is this just a group of cheerleaders deciding to express their faith?

    Does the cheerleader’s expression of their faith prohibit you or anybody else from doing the same?

    You complain about their podium, is access to that podium being denied on the basis of religion? As in are Muslim, Hindu, atheist girls being denied entry to the cheerleading squad for their faith, making it impossible for their messages to appear on the banners?

    What about athletes in high school events praying to Jesus after they score? Should they refrain from doing that because they are on a football baseball field with hundreds perhaps thousands of spectators?

    Is it offensive to you when you see a person practicing their faith or showing support for their faith in public generally?

    What if one of the cheerleaders was wearing a Hijab in accordance with her faith. Does that not also constitute an endorsement of religion at a school function? What if the event took place on Ash Wednesday?

    • wellokaythen says:

      The Constitution sets up what’s usually called a “liberal democracy,” which means rule by the majority, bound by the rights of the minority or the individual. In a liberal democracy, like what the Bill of Rights is supposed to guarantee, the majority is NOT allowed to get everything they want just because they’re the majority. In fact, one principle behind the Bill of Rights is that it’s possible for the majority to be dead wrong. It’s possible that small groups of people will need protection against the will of the majority. The assumption is that no matter how many votes you have on your side there are some things you are not allowed to do. (Unless you amend the Constitution itself, which is meant to be very hard to do.)

      • Will Best says:

        Why are you replying to my serious set of questions with nonsense?

        There is no evidence the school administration, or teacher leader of the cheer squad has anything to do with this. I would further add that the minority in this case are the cheerleaders who are exercising their first amendment rights. The majority is the group of bullies that are trying to use the state to suppress these cheerleader’s first amendment rights.

  5. wellokaythen says:

    I see this more specifically as a free speech issue. My problem with allowing the Bible verses on the butcher paper is that I’m sure this freedom of speech is being applied selectively. This policy will likely not be applied consistently, like as you mentioned quoting the Koran. I don’t see these schools treating all religious quotes the same way. I doubt the school treats all quotes equally no matter where they’re from, so this is allowing some language and not others.

    And, let’s be real here. The school is not going to allow every Biblical quote. It’s not going to allow total freedom of Christian expression. Even there it’s going to pick and choose.

    But, hey, if these schools are willing to defend student’s rights to quote ANY passage from ANY book, no matter what, then I fully support their defense of this. If you open the door to quoting the Bible, then you open the door to all sorts of things that would make most high school administrators a little squeamish. The people I hung out with in high school (in Texas, by the way) were more likely to quote _The Anarchist’s Cookbook than the Bible_. If you’re willing to have that quoted in large font, then I fully support this policy.

    I look at those nubile cheerleaders and think about some of the more erotic passages. If I’m a student there, can I shout those out at a high school football game as well and be protected by freedom of religion?

    Just a reminder: there’s no copyright on “the Bible.” You can publish a bible that says anything you want to. You can write a gay porn novel and publish it as a version of the Bible. So, if you really let people quote from their bibles….

    • “I look at those nubile cheerleaders and think about some of the more erotic passages. If I’m a student there, can I shout those out at a high school football game as well and be protected by freedom of religion?”

      When it comes to yelling at cheerleaders, the geeky girls that I spent time with in high school would have preferred:

      “Suffer not a witch to live.”

  6. Everyone remember what Jesus said about competition, kicking the other team’s ass, school spirit, and the importance of high school athletics.

    No, seriously. I don’t remember. What did he say?

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