I think they’re wonderful if you can get
one I loved being in love with being not
really
that’s Michael and I he was an absolute
charming charming guy I don’t think I’d
ever seen anyone as good-looking as he
was that maybe just me I mean do you
guys think he was good-looking oh yeah
we’re both handsome oh they’re a cute
couple
thank you really Michael and I met at
the clothing store that I was working at
in Los Gatos he asked me out for dinner
and kind of the rest is history I like
those things I had big bangs then yeah
Michael and I moved to San Francisco
together and Michael on a Sunday would
say you know bill why don’t we just go
down to Trader Vic’s and have dinner
tonight and I said Michael I can’t
afford it and Michael looked at me and
said I’ll loan you the money there was
just kind of a big big gap between
reality and me a working guy and it just
sort of fell apart do you know
unfortunately Michael died about 20 or
30 years ago yes I do
Michael like to eat I love to cook he
had a rule if we didn’t have one sauce
with dinner we had to have two sauces on
dessert he was a very very fun guy and
we had a great time together and then my
second relationship was with Brian and
we were together for 16 years and I’ve
been all alone in the world now for 22
years
Oh
that’s so sad Jay oh wow yeah we met
online the Internet’s been around for a
while since I know and where were you
yeah in the backyard of oh in Los
Angeles okay he used to read the LA
Times in the every Sunday morning
couldn’t you read no no but that was
just our thing it’s like I got the LA
Times so he could read it and he liked
the reading to me and I like how sweet
yeah it was what’s fun and you look also
totally different from it is today and
it’s not aged it’s just a different look
you had yeah it’s called love that’s
what I kind of thought I would say
amorous I loved his flattop
I loved it why did you break up
I’d rather not answer that question
another man but we are really good
friends that says a lot about both of
you though sometimes you can’t make it
in a relationship but you can be good
friends I’m that way with my exes
good for you I really am I I love them
all my partner before him past that we
probably still been together were you
with him when he passed I guess was that
traumatic for you yes very would you say
he was the love of your life he was one
of the two that partner before him
taught me to be strong and taught me
that I was a good person I can do
whatever I want so that was good and we
go at it for 10 years
that’s the party I went to
that’s a fillip we didn’t have a live-in
relationship but it was a sexual
relationship as well as a friendship I
met Philip before I moved to San
Francisco in the late 70s
I don’t remember precisely how but it
was picked up tight
meetings no I wasn’t dressed as a clown
then we used to go to a lot of parties
together we went to a place called the
cauldron that was the kind of place
where they had bathtubs that you would
urinate in sometimes on people and it
would not be at all uncommon to find
someone sitting at the bar completely
naked so very handsome he was a very fun
kind of a guy he looks uninhibited oh
very much so I hope so usually he was
that was a period in my life where we
experimented with a number of different
drugs yeah I do miss Philip when I moved
to the desert he would come down here
and visit which he did till 1993 when he
died Mick he’s a producer and a director
it goes by the name of Daddy Zeus and he
had a thing for rope when he was even in
high school he got suspended from school
because he tied up the entire football
team tied him up kind of up including
the quarterback suspended he got
suspended for doing that yeah oh he was
an adult no he was in high school and
they all agreed to it did he so to tie
up your tapes anyway I met him on recon
which is a dating site okay
yeah entire month he didn’t do anything
with him we had a very interesting
relationship he was very much a father
image for me someone who believes in you
even when you don’t believe in yourself
he was the type of person who could turn
you around and give you confidence well
it became romantic he had very
interesting tastes in what he liked to
do and so I let him do it to me and it’s
not on film it wasn’t done on camera
good and good for you all I remember is
he slumped in a chair and he said you’ve
done everything I have asked and you
never could know and after that we were
together you know oh he was very much
involved in the Prevention of Cruelty to
Animals yeah that’s why we laugh but he
he had no compunction abusing a flogger
you got a joke yeah I think it’s very
funny good anyway it was a lot of fun I
known him only for a year and a half
he’s deceased now it’s just sad that
he’s not with me anymore because I
really I do miss him I miss him a lot
and I think of a lot of the things he
said he really had a really good take on
life and I could always talk to me and
give him my problems that’s sweet
that was interesting he was a very
interesting man
you should look his films up I liked the
rope series you loved that
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