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Yolo Akili explores how gay men’s sexism and male privilege shows up in relationship to women.
At a recent presentation, I asked all of the gay male students in the room to raise their hand if in the past week they touched a woman’s body without her consent. After a moment of hesitation, all of the hands of the gay men in the room went up. I then asked the same gay men to raise their hand if in the past week they offered a woman unsolicited advice about how to “improve” her body or her fashion. Once again, after a moment of hesitation, all of the hands in the room went up.
These questions came after a brief exploration of gay men’s relationship to American fashion and women’s bodies. That dialogue included recognizing that gay men in the United States are often hailed as the experts of women’s fashion and by proxy women’s bodies. In addition to this there is a dominant logic that suggests that because gay men have no conscious desire to be sexually intimate with women, our uninvited touching and groping (physical assault) is benign.
These attitudes have led many gay men to feel curiously comfortable critiquing and touching women’s bodies at whim. What’s unique about this is not the male sense of ownership to women’s bodies—that is somewhat common. What’s curious is the minimization of these acts by gay men and many women because the male perpetuating the act is or is perceived to be gay.
An example: I was at a gay club in Atlanta with a good friend of mine who is a heterosexual black woman. While dancing in the club, a white gay male reached out and grabbed both her breasts aggressively. Shocked, she pushed him away immediately. When we both confronted him he told us: “It’s no big deal, I’m gay, I don’t want her– I was just having fun.” We expressed our frustrations to him and demanded he apologize, but he simply refused. He clearly felt entitled to touch her body and could not even acknowledge the fact that he had assaulted her.
I have experienced this attitude as being very common amongst gay men. It should also be noted that in this case, she was a black woman and he a white gay male, which makes this an eyebrow-raising dynamic as it invokes the psychological history of white men’s entitlement to black women’s bodies. However it has been my experience that this dynamic of assault with gay men and women also persists within racial groups.
At another presentation, I told this same story to the audience. Almost instantly, several young women raised up their hands to be called upon. Each of them recounted a different story with a similar theme. One young woman told a story that stuck with me:
“I was feeling really cute in this outfit I put together. Then I see this gay guy I knew from class, but not very well. I had barely said hi before he began telling me what was wrong with how I looked, how I needed to lose weight, and how if I wanted to get a man I needed to do certain things… In the midst of this, he grabbed my breasts and pushed them together, to tell me how my breasts should look as opposed to how they did. It really brought me down. I didn’t know how to respond… I was so shocked.”
Her story invoked rage amongst many other women in the audience, and an obvious silence amongst the gay men present. Their silence spoke volumes. What also seemed to speak volumes, though not ever articulated verbally, was the sense that many of the heterosexual women had not responded (aggressively or otherwise) out of fear of being perceived as homophobic. (Or that their own homophobia, in an aggressive response, would reveal itself.) This, curiously to me, did not seem to be a concern for the lesbian and queer-identified women in the room at all.
Acts like these are apart of the everyday psychological warfare against women and girls that pits them against unrealistic beauty standards and ideals. It is also a part of the culture’s constant message to women that their bodies are not their own.
It’s very disturbing, but in a culture that doesn’t see gay men who are perceived as “queer” as “men” or as having male privilege, our misogyny and sexist acts are instead read as “diva worship” or “celebrating women”, even when in reality they are objectification, assault and dehumanization.
The unique way our entitlement to women’s physical bodies plays itself out is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to gay cisgender men’s sexism and privilege. This privilege does not make one a bad person any more than straight privilege makes heterosexuals bad people. It does mean that gay men can sometimes be just as unthinkingly hurtful, and unthinkingly a part of a system that participates in the oppression of others, an experience most of us can relate to. Exploration of these dynamics can lead us to query institutional systems and policies that reflect this privilege, nuanced as it is by other identities and social locations.
At the end of my last workshop on gay men’s sexism, I extended a number of questions to the gay men in the audience. I think it’s relevant to extend these same questions now:
How is your sexism and misogyny showing up in your own life, and in your relationships with your female friends, trans, lesbian, queer or heterosexual? How is it showing up in your relationship to your mothers, aunts and sisters? Is it showing up in your expectations of how they should treat you? How you talk to them? What steps can you take to address the inequitable representation of gay cisgender men in your community as leaders? How do you see that privilege showing up in your organizations and policy, and what can you do to circumvent it? How will you talk to other gay men in your community about their choices and interactions with women, and how will you work to hold them and yourself accountable?
These are just some of the questions we need to be asking ourselves so that we can help create communities where sexual or physical assault, no matter who is doing it, is deemed unacceptable. These are the kinds of questions we as gay men need to be asking ourselves so that we can continue (or for some begin) the work of addressing gender/sex inequity in our own communities, as well as in our own hearts and minds. This is a part of our healing work. This is a part of our transformation. This is a part of our accountability.
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Let me tell you something, if a man is trying to make out with you, grope you, or otherwise do something sexual to you, HE IS NOT GAY. Gay men, believe it or not, DO NOT LIKE WOMEN SEXUALLY. Some douchebags use it as an excuse to pull that crap, and they’re usually bisexual/heterosexual. As a gay man, by the way, I have not ever told ANYONE how to improve their appearance because honestly I don’t care, and half the time I don’t even notice when they change their appearance, though I am curious as to how offering women fashion… Read more »
Here is the truth http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-helligar/5-simple-rules-for-straight-women-in-gay-bars_b_4986849.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-helligar/5-simple-rules-for-straight-women-in-gay-bars_b_4986849.html
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WRITING THIS! I have been groped / touched by straight male strangers a handful of times, but I have been spanked, french kissed, touched on the face, motor boated, breasts grabbed and otherwise assaulted by numerous gay men. I live with my best friend who is a gay male and I want to go out to gay bars with him, but I’ve gotten to the point where I’m afraid to. I don’t like to be touched. I like my personal space. Gay, straight – whatever, if you aren’t my boyfriend, don’t freaking touch me! I… Read more »
I’m right there with you. I’ve had a gay student advisor for a campus glbtq group who hated women so much, he refused to respond if I spoke and would not make eye contact. I’ve been groped countless times by gay men who were so dismissive of women that they seemed to think my breasts were some sort of stuffed toy they could play with. Go into a gay bar with a queer boyfriend? Prepare for threats along the lines of how they’ll get rid of you to get your boyfriends. I’ve got lots of gay male friends who are… Read more »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-helligar/5-simple-rules-for-straight-women-in-gay-bars_b_4986849.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-helligar/5-simple-rules-for-straight-women-in-gay-bars_b_4986849.html No you have not , but us gay men have by liars like you
Absurd and untrue.
It would be more appropriate to write an article about Feminist and/or straight women’s sexism and men’s bodies.
I do agree that some women can cloak their aggression in feminism, but I don’t say that this article is patently untrue. While most of my male gay friends are completely respectful of me and my body, I have had instances of inappropriate touching and rude comments about my appearance that were hurtful. We’re all people; we all have the power to hurt each other or lift each other up. If we acknowledge the power, we’re more likely to use it in a positive fashion. It’s not ok for a gay man or a straight man to be disrespectful of… Read more »
Most gay men are great, but there are some who are true narcissists that do engage in objectifying women and even sexually. Gay men (NOT bisexual) who have sex with women are using them as physical & mental experiments, so they can imagine what it must feel like for her being screwed by a straight guy. Its a psychological role-play for him, but she doesn’t know it. This would mean that the gay man was actually having mind sex with himself, and this is why he is truly stimulated & why he is able to perform at that moment with… Read more »
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Gay men would not willingly have sex with women unless they were coerced/forced into it.
Your scenario does not even make sense, in what universe would that happen?
tl;dr: Despite being oppressed by the same patriarchy* that oppresses women, gay men still have male privilege** and some gay men can be as misogynistic*** as straight men toward women. * in laymans terms: the good ol’ boys club that essentially rules everything, if you are not an able bodied neurotypical cis white straight male with money then you are second class. The attitude is engrained into the American culture and is subconsciously learned through acculturation. ** male privilege, unconscious advantages and power men have that affects them beneficially in all facets of life. *** conscious or unconscious hatred of… Read more »
So, doing things women either ask us to do so often it becomes second nature, or do to us suddenly becomes sexist when we do it?
The key word there is ask. Someone
This is just so wrong and of the mark. Most gay men I know really like women. That is to say, they like them as people and respect them as people. The DO NOT objectify women the way some (not ALL!) straight men do.
Just because it hasnt been your experience, does not mean it is ‘wrong’ or off the mark. People have different experiences without any of them being invalid. For example, I am the only female in a company of gay men – it is a reasonably rare situation, I presume, and I can tell you I’m on the receiving end of this kind of misogyny every day. Today ive had someone interrupt me in a meeting to say “interesting shoes” while laughing, and another ask me if I am still going to the gym. Great that all the homosexual men jn… Read more »
…… Making fun of shoes is now misogyny? Really? … I can’t even.. understand.. how that is at all related.. Shoes =/= Sexism They’re making fun of your shoes not your gender. It’s not body shaming either since you can easily take off those shoes. Either wear them and grow a thicker skin or get some nicer shoes. And besides, if they really are your friends you need to realize that men joke like that all the time with each other. God, people like you always claim you want equal treatment but cry when you realize equality means YOU ACTUALLY… Read more »
Amen! What a total load of bunk. The writer speaks of the exception, not the norm. It is far more prevalent for gay men to speak up to support women in acceptance of their bodies, not judgement against them. The author commonly misses the mark, but only age and experience will show him the error of his ways. For now he’s a Diva with a platform and believes himself unstoppable and fierce. Tragic is more like it. Hopefully he’ll learn to use his talent as a writer for good instead of creating evil wedge issues where none exist.
Funny, you’re making the same claims so many other groups have made. Men in general had the same accusations, and gay men excused themselves as exceptions. Academia and government were taken over using this tactic, and the republicans can’t do anything without having it twisted as a war on women, effectively castrating them. More recently, the occupy movement had these accusations made against them to take control of the movement, atheists, gaming… accusations of sexism are the opening battle-cry of all feminist incursions into cultures they seek to control. You can think all you want that all those examples involve… Read more »
*sarcasm* But not ALL gay men are like that! (Had to say this as more men are personally victimized at the thought that since a large percentage of them fuck up, it isn’t safe to trust the % that “hasn’t done anything”) You guys for real need to get over the victim complexes of yours that are arising out of women suffering in the first place. Women have every right to profile and be wary because men of all types and backgrounds have cumulatively created a culture that is unsafe for anyone who isn’t a man.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not.
But whatever, I’ll bite.
Whites have every right to profile and be wary because blacks of all types and backgrounds have cumulatively created a culture that is unsafe for anyone.
And by the way, what you said is a lie.
Murder rates, suicide rates, injury rates, prison sentences, death penalty rates, are far higher for men than women.
Just goto a college or my college, and then ask “Females” in the room to raise their hand if in the past week they touched a “man’s body” without his consent and which part of the body.
While talking- girls will incessantly touch shoulder , arm, face and sometimes chest and leg too of a male in the group.
Touching someone’s shoulder, arm, chest, or leg while speaking is NOT the same as smacking someone’s butt or squeezing someone’s breasts.
Wtf? I would straight up smack anyone, gay or straight, woman or man, who decides to just grab my breasts out of the blue.
However, even I can see that this isn’t sexism, this is a matter of people not knowing boundaries.
I’m a gay, white man, and I have never touched a woman’s breasts without permission, nor do I offer unsolicited fashion advice. My mother raised me with manners. Nor do I think it anything but inappropriate and way out of bounds trashy and offensive when certain gay men behave that way. It absolutely is. Keep your hands to yourselves, people. However, it’s equally offensive being painted with the same, over-sweeping brush of generalization. The line, “How does your sexism and misogyny show up” has to be one of the most insultingly presumptuous questions I have ever heard. Here’s my answer:… Read more »
No group has a monopoly on sexism, stereotyping, assault or sociopathic behavior. Bad people show up in virtually every cohort. I think what the author illustrates rather well with this article is that sexism, misogyny, and domination, particularly in how we treat the female body should not be tolerated regardless of whether a person belongs to an oppressed minority. Nobody should be able to get away with that kind of behavior.. it just isn’t okay.
This is a really interesting perspective that I haven’t considered before, but it makes a lot of sense and I can relate to it now that I think about it. As a woman who has had many gay male friends in her life, I can say that by and large they have been respectful of me and my personal space. But one gay friend in college had an obsession with “motorboating” his female friends’ breasts (including my own) without permission: he was very short and would come up and rub his head on our chests out of the blue. At… Read more »
I’m really glad someone has had the guts to say this, and even better that he’s gay himself. I think a certain kind of gay man (by no means representative of most gay men) is profoundly misogynistic if not outright sociopathic, busying himself unnecessarily with the images of his female hosts (and I do mean host in the sense of parasites). It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that this sort of gay man has a significant hold in the fashion industry, and has been trying to turn women into boys, favoring models who are tall, with almost… Read more »
As it happens I’ve experienced uninvited touching from women all my adult life, women feel just as much of an entitlement and engage in just as much objectification of Gay men’s bodies. This business about assumptions about all gay men being into fashion is a harmful stereotype which is part of the system which oppresses gay men, it does not in fact privilege them. You are essentially calling gay men out for the symptoms of their oppression not the abuses of their privilege. Cis-gender heterosexual women enjoy much greater levels of privilege than queer men do, and this article is… Read more »
Experiencing homophobia doesn’t make it OK for you to be sexist.
I don’t think he was necessarily being sexist here…?
In fact some women really feel like they can freely touch gay men. He was just talking about the other side.
Yes to everything! (well, a single college class is hardly representative, but whatever) Yes to everything in this article until I got to the straight woman in a gay bar story: social norms around touching are often different in queer space. Particularly in queer sexual space. Straight people who invade queer space need to stop expecting it to conform to straight standards. There are some gay bars where there is a 50/50 chance of getting groped regardless of gender. This is like the straight people who take their kids to the pride parade and then complain about the people in… Read more »
But some do that to lesbians as well…
If a cis white male read an article about the way white men exercise their privilege, you would expect them to say, “I never do that! My friends would never act in such a way! Why does everything have to be about race?! What about the things I feel threatened about?!” They would probably react that way in response to feeling attacked. But here’s the thing: if this scenario doesn’t describe you, then good. Continue to respect other people’s boundaries and personal space. If you feel the need to question whether or not it happens at all and why we… Read more »
Yes, that is funny: if this article were about straight guys groping women, a lot of (straight) men would be YELLING right now that they never did this and would never do this and never saw that happening and that their friends would never do this and that talking about men harassing women only is sexist and misandrist and that the article is plain hateful and suggests all men are criminals and rapists and, and, and…
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/video/video-scarlett-johansson-golden-globes-71647
Scarlett Johansson had a very awkward moment on the red carpet during the 2006 Golden Globes when designer Isaac Mizrahi — who was covering the red carpet for E! Entertainment Television — groped her on live TV. That year, Johansson was nominated for best supporting actress in a film for Match Point. After feeling her breast, he said he was just taking notes for the next time he makes a push-up dress.
This is the exact incident I thought of when reading the comments. How can so many men lie about how this doesn’t happen when we’ve all seen it happen on live TV? He not only groped her but he asked another women about how she groomed her genitalia.
Not surprised in the slightest by all the denialism in the comments. I’ve known several gay men to do this–grope me, be catty to me about my appearance (despite barely knowing me, plus the fact that I didn’t fucking ASK), and it’s always the same excuses. Which, amusingly enough, sound very similar to the excuses straight people make about how they’re not -really- homophobic. The whole “I’ve never heard of this/only a few people do this” bit is hilariously dumb. If your response to hearing about instances of sexism–or racism, or homophobia, or anything else oppressive–is not “man that sucks,… Read more »
Eergh thank you. Color me unsurprised that the comments are riddled with denial. Do you know why this article doesn’t cover all the bases? Because it is SPECIFICALLY ABOUT male on female sexism! If you want to make an article that addresses straight female on gay male assault, then DO IT.
But stop insisting that it doesn’t happen at all.
As a gay male, I have never done this.. I didn’t realize it was so common either? Unless this is something that happens in ONE place on earth?
WOW! Just wow! Me being gay, I have grab a girls butt/boobs before and told someone how they looked. But these are only certain friends I have this relationship with that we both know each other VERY well, and know how to be honest. This is NOT something I would do to a random person or don’t know very well. I have certain friends that when we meet we swear at each other, hug and kiss on the cheek, while other friends that would not be possible. And having certain friends that we are comfortable changing in front of each… Read more »
Wow, long time ago that I read such a hate comment. The author really seems to like gay men treated like crap by others. Promoting gay bashing I’d say. And why should a gay guy care about a woman’s body? Here in Europe women don’t complain about being “harrassed and mistreated” by “violent and sexiest”gay guys. It’s just the other way round. But at leats your article promotes one thing: gay men should still be identified with something evil/negative to find a justification to smack and mistreat them. And why not doing it the author way round next time? Why… Read more »
You are the problem.
I think they are talking about some gay guys who do that, never gay bashing or generalizing.
I’m sorry that in Europe you see women mistreating and harassing gay men, that should never happen as well – and if you want to talk about it, you should! No abuse should be tolerated.
That is true, lots of straight guys mistreat gay guys, and that is an important point. This site has a lot of articles about this, if you want to check it out.
Annnnnd…. the comments @HP are riddled w/gay men stating how this doesn’t happen OR that they haven’t witnessed this behavior. It HAPPENS. It happens all the time. MALE PANIC… deal w/it doods and listen. If your not doing it… great! Here’s your **gold star**. But being defensive about it is not going to change the reality that it happens and you are either in denial or so privileged you don’t give a shit. How many butch women do I know that are told by gay men:: “If you had a dick I’d fuck you.” Thank you **sarcasm**… you just reduced… Read more »
Hear! Hear!
How many gay men do I know who would tell a butch woman “if you had a dick I’d fuck you”?
None.
How many times have I found gay men perceived only as BFFs for heterosexual women with little to no recognition given to their sexuality as an integral part of their overall personhood?
Countless.
There isn’t an epidemic here, and it isn’t worth lecturing folks over.