Open Discussion:
Despite the fact that religious and historical scholars are saying that the recently-discovered coptic writings that refer to Jesus’ “wife” do not prove whether or not Jesus had a wife, the discovery has people talking…
What would be different had Jesus been married?
How would it change the everyday Christian? The Catholic priest or nun? Those who are against organized religion?
How would it change the way you saw Jesus?
I look at the tone and mode in which this suspect (or yet-to-be-proven) document was positioned in the mass-media. IMO, it was waived in the face of Christians in a “how do like like your savior now???”
Answer: Couldn’t give a flippidy flup any less. And I fail to see how anyone can possibly place one micron of relevance on this thing. If there were ever a pure product of the media, its this thing.
Jesus (Yeshua) was a Jewish Rabbi before He became the Christian Savior. In Judaism, marriage is one of the 613 Mitzvot (commandments) so, of course, He was likely married. By the way, the conjugal rights cited below are for the wife, not the husband: The Laws of Marriage Include Four Commandments: Two positive commandments and two negative commandments, which are: (1) To take a wife by marriage contract and sanctification ceremony; (2) For a woman not to have sexual relations without a marriage contract and sanctification ceremony; (3) Not to withhold food, clothing, and conjugal rights; (4) To be fruitful… Read more »
“Jesus (Yeshua) was a Jewish Rabbi before He became the Christian Savior. “
I’ve heard this statement or a version many times before and I’ve disagreed with it every time. I do not remember any time in the New Testament where Jesus did not believe that he was the son of God. Some Christians assert that Jesus knew this prior to conception.
The first commandment says that I am the Lord your God. You shall have no gods before me. So unless the belief in the Holy Trinity is a tenet of Judaism, Jesus was never a Jew.
Yes – It does get interesting when you have to deal with the internal contradictions that come from the Old Onion Skin in edited highlights. This Is the Word Of God ( As Edited By so many over so many millennia and across multiple languages and it is 100% authentic … including the spelling mistakes). … Jesus is born of a Jewish Woman – which makes him Jewish – but he is actually God which means he can’t be Jewish – and so he is open to founding a whole new religion, which is designed to save everyone …. and… Read more »
A few thoughts: 1. This particular find is being treated with a considerable degree of suspicion, scepticism, caution, or distrust by many leading scholars within the field. This is a field that has seen several high profile forgeries over the last decade. It is quite likely that this is just the latest in that line. Many important voices have pointed out features of the fragment that are unusual (the script in particular and the cutting are features that I have seen a few scholars commenting upon). 2. The fragment – and let’s not forget that we are dealing with a… Read more »
Jim Davila, a Professor of Early Jewish studies, and an expert on this sort of thing, expresses the situation as it stands rather well: “THE GOSPEL OF JESUS’ WIFE is getting endless attention in the media and the blogosphere, but I don’t see very much today which adds anything new. As far as I know, no papyrologist has come out in favor of its authenticity or even pointed to another ancient papyrus fragment that shares its odd features. So it looks to me as though we have a small fragment that really, really fortunately preserves just the words that say… Read more »
The supposedly recently discovered Coptic Texts of antiquity only support many other texts which have survived in copied formats down the Millennia – and there are copies of them all in the vaults of the Vatican Library…. and else where. Gospels abound, but so many were suppressed in favour of four guys (a number who never even met this Jesus guy) – Mathew, Mark, Luke & John. Will it make a difference to the views of some? No way! They are so wedded to King James, and have been since 1611, the idea of a matrimonial Jesus and even a… Read more »
..vaults of the Vatican Library…
ah yes, Ive often wondered what treasures are in that library
What- Blasphemy!
Where is my RPG?
I need to protest….
I think that it would make people doubt that he was the son of God. For myself, I’m more likely to doubt the document or the translation of the document that was found. It may also be referring to another Jesus. One of the things that struck me about Jesus was that there was no upside for him if he was just a man. He didn’t seem to want power or position. He never raised an army. He lived a life of service and taught that people should help others. It seems to run counter to almost everything I would… Read more »
Why couldn’t he be the son of god, or a mystic connected to the god-force, and still have a wife? What makes sexuality so suspect that you can’t be connected to god and it?
I always wonder that too!
The other great mystery is why even atheists seem to call on god as they Orgasm!
There are several different religions that told stories of gods mating with mortal women. I suppose it’s always possible. It’s probably the feeling that if he chose an individual for a wife, he cares for that individual more than he cares for others. That’s one of the problems I had growing up with the concept of God’s chosen people especially since I wasn’t Jewish.