‘The Boyfriend Trainer’: Choke and Tase Him When He Misbehaves

Oh boy! We knew it was only a matter of time until the trend of man-training books and movies like Men Are Like Dogs and Bring Your Husband to Heel would spread to online games, but we didn’t think it’d happen with this much gusto. The Boyfriend Trainer, with the tagline “No boyfriend is perfect! It’s time you trained him to become one,” is somehow even more ridiculous than it sounds.

In this game, rated appropriate for tweens, “training” means more than withholding sex—it means subjecting your eye-wandering, newspaper-dropping, sports-watching partner to slapping, Tasing, choking, and whacking with tennis rackets.

But before we crap ourselves with righteous indignation, let’s gather our wits about us, get some perspective, and consider what’s more harmful to young men: the barrage of misogyny and sexualized violence in mass-produced, “adult”-marketed, heavily distributed games such as Grand Theft Auto, or this laughable cartoon schlock, a stream of piss in an ocean of dime-store Web content designed for people with the most rudimentary understanding of gender relations.

Blogger Garland Grey comments on the lack of media outrage:

“Look at this thing you’ve never heard of! Why haven’t you come out against it yet?”

How many people are really going to play this “boyfriend trainer” game? How many people are going to be playing Duke Nukem Forever when it comes out? If [you] said, “What do you think about this game?” I would say, that’s abusive. Of course. But I’m not going to pretend that the two games are equally horrible or that we don’t live in a culture that sanctions sexualized violence against women.

Now produce an example of sexualized violence toward men that is being sold in Windows, Xbox 360, and Playstation 3 formats, all across America, and you’ll look like less of a dipshit.

If there were ever a choose-your-battles moment in the male blogosphere, it’d be now. Let’s have an adult conversation about the effects of hyper-realistic violence on boys, the racism and misogyny in the gaming community, and especially, as David Futrelle has asked, what women really want from games—and why those repelled by the morass of incivility on WoW or Xbox Live might be drawn elsewhere, be it Farmville or, you know, a game where you get to whack some tchotch with a tennis racket.

When we can address the deep-seated issues that plague and polarize the mainstream gaming community, then we can talk about the threat of AddictingGames.com—and why, suddenly, there are opportunities for anti-male baubles to make a profit.

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About Cooper Fleishman

Cooper Fleishman is managing editor of HyperVocal.com. After graduating from Kenyon College in 2009, he moved to New York to follow his dream of book-publishing glory. Once here, he sold dog food on the street and copyedited celebrity-gossip tabloids, finally landing as senior editor of the Good Men Project, where he served for a year before sneaking into HyperVocal. Email: [email protected] Twitter: @_cooper.

Comments

  1. This game is funny. I laughed.

    So by that rationale, a game where a guy can smack around a woman for looking at other guys should be equally as amusing right? Because no one would get upset about a game like that. The GMP might spontaneously combust from the number of people clamoring to rage about that game.

    The GMP constantly takes little known studies that make the news and expounds on them. Yet this game comes out and you talk about the importance of NOT talking about it. You then go on to highlight this particular game, only to say we should bypass it and talk about the “real” issues. Which, conveniently, all have to do with so-called misogynistic male games.

    How about we talk about this game and it’s social implications, which are just as important and valid as the games you mentioned. Skipping over this just because no one has ever heard of it strikes me as extremely disingenuous.

    • This video game simply perpetuates the view that violence from a female against a male is acceptable. Even if the video game is meant to be comical, it really shows a sad view of the game developers against men. Would a game depicting violence or “training” a woman be allowed anywhere? I think not, you would have all the Feminists in the word up in arms.

      • Peter Houlihan says:

        They exist actually, also “rape” games. And they do tend to have the feminists up in arms, even if they don’t make the front pages.

  2. Clark Kent says:

    I don’t understand how violence against men is always justifiable.

    “slapping, Tasing, choking, and whacking with tennis rackets.”

    People have gone to jail for doing these sorts of things to domesticated animals yet it is being encouraged as a method of “training” human beings.

    • Clark, you should check out games like Duke Nukem and Grand Theft Auto to see how they portray and treat women in it. I hope that works you up just as much.

      • As I mentioned below, let’s do a body count and see which gender has a higher pile.

        pssst… it won’t be women. Even in games with female protagonists, like say Lara Croft, it will not be women.

        • I articulated below that I would be more okay with women being treated more like equals in video games, even if that meant a higher body count, showcasing women who were fully clothed and carrying guns and “in on the action” with the same set of skill sets as the men vs. projections of women nearly naked with porno graphic bodies being strippers and prostitutes being slapped around.

          • If it meant a higher body count it would be condemned as promoting “violence against women” as predictably as violence against men is ignored.
            If the women were just as disposible as the men in body count terms you would instantly see the disposibility and all the twisted, distorted rhetoric about being in on the action and skill sets would evaporate.
            If nearly naked men with pornographic bodies were depicted being slapped around I have no doubt you (and many others) would trivialise it as less problematical. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

      • Clark Kent says:

        Notice I said “human beings”…

        Also the author is attempting to justify overt violence against men by citing games such ad Duke Nukem and Grand Theft

      • Clark Kent says:

        Notice I said “human beings”…

        Also the author is attempting to justify overt violence against men by citing games such ad Duke Nukem and Grand Theft Auto (as you’ve pointed out). I didn’t say violence against women was acceptable in those titles either. What I am saying is that when it comes to violence perpetuated by women against men its always downplayed as a non issue or “not that serious”. Even worse its framed as being a useful tool to train men and protect them from their (dangerous) nature. Using games such as Duke Nukem and GTA shouldn’t be used as an excuse to justify violence against ANY group of people.

        Feminism always claims itself to be a path to rid the world of gender stereotypes/norms. However, it seems to be very slow or reluctant to de-gender domestic violence. If the aim is to aspire for an egalitarian society then we must recognize that both sexes are equally susceptible to commit violent acts AND we must hold both equally responsible.

      • There are at least the following GTA games. Can you be a bit more specific as to what GTA game you are referring to?

        GTA 1, GTA 2, GTA 3, GTA Advance, GTA China Town Wars.

      • Peter Houlihan says:

        A better comparison would be the rape simulation and “dating” games that come out of japan.

        Women in GTA and Duke Nukem aren’t shown in the best light, neither are any of the men, but none of them really justify violence against women. If anything they’re far more likely to condone violence against men.

  3. Misogyny of video games? Really? Shall we look at the body count of men killed v that of women in … well, damn near every game?

    Or does it only count if the player goes “she’s got a nice rack” before blowing her face off?

    Lest anybody bring up the perrenial favorite of Grand Theft Auto…. Hey guess what? You actually do kill FAR MORE MEN in that game than you do women. Just like every. other. game. ever.

    But hey, nice try at the smoke and mirrors. “This games low budget so it can’t possibly be offensive! Now, let’s get back to the real problem, the comparatively miniscule amount of violence shown to women in video games! Oh no!”

  4. So let me see if I’ve gotten it right:

    You ask for a call-to-arms against Violent, Misogynic games like Grand Theft Auto, to clean up the act of the sexist against women videogames industry.

    But when games like this one, involving the same level of violence against men, from women I assume as this is “The Boyfriend Trainer”, they shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath as the former since its only budget flash freeware and all for a barrell of laughs?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought sexism worked both ways. And you guys are about support for men, as you advertise?

    No wait, men can’t be harmed. They’re at the top of the game, no problems.

    Oh sorry, this doesn’t count as concerning. Lighten up, have a sense of humor.

    Wonderful, GMP. You’ve just given me another excuse to doubt your advertised motive. Way to go.

    Look, if you’re about support for men, then games like this are just as bad as the “Tripe” you tar and feather in the mainstream gaming industry.

    Or only one aspect of violence in our culture matters.

    Which is it?

  5. Wellokaythen says:

    Devil’s advocate here, again.

    Let’s agree just for the sake of argument that there is far more male-on-female violence in video games. (I’m not saying there is, just posit this for the moment.) And, let’s say that the male-on-female violence is in games that are far more popular, played for much longer, and have a bigger impact on the culture. Let’s say then that we can just ignore the violence against men in the games because it’s so tiny compared to the violence against women.

    Okay, so tell me how common the anti-male images have to get before they count as acceptable conversation topics. Are we thinking that as long as the anti-boyfriend games are no more than 5% of the market, it doesn’t really count? If violence against boyfriends on TV gets to be a third as common as violence against girlfriends in TV shows, (I don’t know what the split is now) does that rise to the level of male attention?

    Every time Elaine on Seinfeld smacks George on the head (okay, yes, his father does it to him, too), how much does that count when you multiply the viewership and take into account syndicated re-runs, etc.? (Full disclosure: I chuckle at those scenes myself, but of course laughing at something could be evidence of deep gender prejudice, right?)

    I’m actually not trying to sound any alarm about anti-boyfriend violence in video games. I’m just concerned that people can blow something off for a long time as a tiny issue long after it could be a major issue. Tell me how much violence against group X in popular medium Y is acceptable.

    • For me, I don’t think the point is to say that anti-male conversations have to reach a certain point before we start talking about them. I think we should talk about them. But again for me, it seems that guys are much quicker to see how they are mistreated, and disregard the mediums they are attracted to that are very anti-female. I don’t think men want to be abusive at all. But there are lots of mediums out there that show men treating women abusively and men, consciously or unconsciously, like it. And so often, the subject gets avoided being talked about because men will do stuff like you did. Talk about instances of a man being smacked in the head on prime time tv. Instead of talking about the mediums they enjoy that depicted women poorly too. No one should be saying that because a man gets smacked, it’s okay to show abusive content about women. Or because a woman is slapped, it’s okay to show abusive content about men. But when this sensitive subject comes up, we try to avoid it in our retrospective genders and say “but this is what happens to *me*” and we never get aronud to addressing what we do to the other gender.

      Even in this article, not too many men that posted so far said two cents about negative portrayls about women in video games. But it happens quite a bit.

      • Probably because this article feels like a giant misdirect. It would be one thing if it was talking about violence against women in games from the start to finish. But no this is pretty much, “Hold up! Before you start complaining about how anti-male that is you should really be focusing your attention on this anti-female stuff going on.”

        When presented in this manner I really have a hard time blaming people who feel like they are getting a “who has it worse?” pulled on them.

        • Thats a good point Danny. Honestly I’m wondering what the point of this article actually was. Why bring up a video game and then tell us we shouldn’t discuss it?

          I mean, if one wanted to talk about negative portrayals of women in video games, fine, I guess, but make that the article you write.

      • “Even in this article, not too many men that posted so far said two cents about negative portrayls about women in video games. But it happens quite a bit.”

        Look, I’m honestly not trying to sound snarky here, but do you think that might be because this site is (supposedly) for talking about men’s issues?

        • It’s okay Paul. I don’t think you sound snarky at all.

          Do some of men’s issues not concern women and how men relate to women?

          • Sure. But must that be all that we ever talk about? How whatever relates to women? How it effects women?

            The purpose of this site seems (and I’d bet this is why so many men are turned off by it) to be to improve men, …in order to help women.

            helping men for the sake of helping men? Doesn’t compute.

            • Not true at all Paul. Currently on the home page here are the featured stories:

              Worthless Rookies
              On-Court Redemption
              A Wealth of Risk
              The Dick-tionary
              Mastering the Midnight Rodeo
              Isn’t Being Good Kisser Good Enough
              A Stroke a day
              You Should Wear your Wedding Ring
              Nice Guys: Finish First Without Pickup Gimmickry
              The Man Repellar: Not About Men
              Myth-Busting the Gender Wage Gap
              The Pound of Cure
              When Men need restraining orders
              Can We degenderize domestic violence

              All those articles are about men. The articles in the Relationship and Sex section of course also relate to women most of the time.

              What kind of articles do you perfer? Feel good “5 tips to better orgasm for her” articles? Articles you can easily find on such sites like Askmen.com or Mens Health that might be fun but they don’t really get at the heart of how men and women relate to each other?

              I think it’s more of a case of being more sensitive to issue that GMP asks men to take a look at that concern women then any honest truth in the statement that GMP only ever asks men to be better through their relation to women. Most articles tend to be dedicated to so much more then the female/male dynamic. But I suspect that articles on men and women are also the most popular. That’s not GMP’s fault that many readers gravitate to sections like sex and relationships. And clearly for many men, sex and relationships are highly tied to women.

      • Peter Houlihan says:

        Can you give examples? The GTA games I’ve played didn’t seem very misogynistic (the only time a woman was beaten up your character was expected to go out and save her, quite unlike the many many men killed throughout the game) and the closest Duke Nukem 3D got to misogyny was “having strippers in it.”

        I can’t think of many mainstream games that show this kind of dehumanising sexism, against men or women. Mostly it’s just an issue of representation and stereotyping.

  6. I remember when Nintendo came out. My brother and I would stay after school at our mom’s friend’s house who had 5 boys. Their dad was always buying the boys big ticket items and they always had the newest of everything. Their father built them a huge football field in their front yard, a baseball diamond in the back and they were the first kids to get Nintendo. We had a lot of fun playing and I was lucky that among all that young boy male energy, they always let me play too. There were some awesome games!

    A few of my favs:
    Mario Brothers
    Zelda
    Contra
    Metroid (My absolute favorite)

    In not any of these games where b*tches, hoes or cartoon girls with huge pornographic knockers. Not in any of these games where prostitutes run over or women were slapped. In not any of these games where men depicted as the sado-masochist take no prisnors,macho man. Back then, the games where about saving the day or saving the adorably decked out Princess in Pink. The cartoons where cartoons, not 3D porno fantasy people.

    Lets be realistic about how far video games have advanced, their content and who they mostly appeal to. If past history is any indication of future history, these games will only escalate further. For both girls and boys. Do we really want to see more games telling girls they need to train their boyfriends because a man can’t figure out how to be a good guy on his own? Or more games with strippers and prostitutes being called b*tches and showing of freakishly perfect cartoon nearly naked female bodies?

    Do I think a video game called “the Boyfriend Trainer” is healthy or appropriate? (Not to mention completely vapid.) No. But how many games are there out there like that? I think young girls tend to like to play dress-up games or role playing games like The Sims or Final Fantasy. I haven’t played Final Fantasy in years but at least in that game you could be a man or woman who goes on their quest and you didn’t have to go into porno shops to do it.

    I’d be so much less offended by showing men and women (fully clothed and more realistic) in equal footing shooting or getting shot, running around; then I am by men running over prostitutes and slapping strippers and saving the real part of the game for “the boys club”. It use to be about saving the princess, now it’s about degrading the lady of the night and having cartoon sex (and by the way, all I got to say to that is WTF.)

    If I’m completely honest, I’d also like to see more male outrage over these depictions of women, the over compensation of masculinity and the focus on all things porn through video games.

    I’ve been around enough that I know plenty of men have issues with masculinity being defined to them by hyper examples of John Wayne type men. Yet a lot of guys gravitate to these video games that showcase brute strength, singular minded sado-masochistic men with cartoon fantasy porn babes.

    As I said before, it’s only going to keep escalating. I can’t even imagine what it would have been like if I was back to that age playing video games with all those boys after school. Laughing about running over prostitutes or going into porn shops or slapping a girl to keep her in line. I think I would have been embarressed, ashamed and uncomfortable and not to mention confused.

    • Peter Houlihan says:

      So when you were a kid you played kid’s games? It’s hardly surprising that adult games will have adult themes and content.

      I’m not sure what games you’re talking about but if it’s the GTA series (the one mentioned the most above) then I’m pretty sure the depiction of men (and women) is satire. As I mentioned above any scene which seriously depicted DV against women clearly condemned it and usually expected the main character to set things to rights.

      I’m not sure the fact that men gravitate towards hyper-masculine games is relevant. Women also gravitate towards hyper-feminine media that typecast women, but I don’t think that suggests that they’re the architects of their own opression.

      I really think you’re focusing on the parts of these games that you dislike and giving them the worst possible reading. The overwhelming moral message of games like GTA (if they have one) is that men should be the ultra-violent *protectors* of women.

      Vice City Stories: One of the first storylines involves you finding out that your female friend is being slapped around by her boyfriend. Your mission is to beat him to a pulp. By contrast, violence against the men in the game is perfectly normalised.

      Liberty City Stories: About halfway through you meet a woman whose husband isn’t paying her enough attention, so again your place is to go out and to destroy his life.

      Sure there’s strippers and prostitutes, but I can’t remember any missions where you were instructed to beat them up, contrasting with the plethora of missions where your goal was to kill or maim some man who wasn’t playing by the rules.

      It’s possible to mow down female pedestrians, but no more so than male ones and the consequences are identical: police attention.

      But to talk more broadly, the vast majority of games (and media in general) out there condemn violence against women while not really caring about violence against men. How many games are there where the main character is the strong protector of a weak one (usually a woman)? It’s not exactly gender egalitarian, but to say that violence against *women* is depicted as being acceptable and normalised is the opposite of the truth.

  7. Erin: “In not any of these games where b*tches, hoes or cartoon girls with huge pornographic knockers. Not in any of these games where prostitutes run over or women were slapped. In not any of these games where men depicted as the sado-masochist take no prisnors,macho man. Back then, the games where about saving the day or saving the adorably decked out Princess in Pink. The cartoons where cartoons, not 3D porno fantasy people.”

    In case you hadn’t noticed, there are games that treat women with respect and, GASP, portray them as fully capable of saving the world. Where the men are not hyper-masculine, Gi-Joes with chiseled bodies.

    Uncharted and Uncharted 2
    Metal Gear Solid Series
    Silent Hill 3 and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories
    Prince Of Persia: Sands Of Time

    Granted, those are the only ones off the top of my head. But nontheless, my point stands: You keep looking at the mysoganic garbage only and think its an epidemic without bothering to dig further.

    “As I said before, it’s only going to keep escalating. I can’t even imagine what it would have been like if I was back to that age playing video games with all those boys after school. Laughing about running over prostitutes or going into porn shops or slapping a girl to keep her in line. I think I would have been embarressed, ashamed and uncomfortable and not to mention confused.”

    I tend to think you’re overexaggerating here and it’s not different from puritan “Family Values” christians and political parties playing up the problem of violence turning gamers into sociopathic miscreants.

    If you’re talking about the “Grand Theft Auto” series, running over prostitutes and the like is an OPTION. The games simulate a living, breathing free-roaming world. You’re going to get all kinds of oppertunities and it’s up to the PLAYER to choose. The option to run over prostitutes, while still present, is NOT important to the games plot nor is it an incentive to finish a mission or level.

    Believe it or not, there’s a story in these games with a variety of missions, yet you obsessively fixate on a part of the game that is optional. There’s your mistake right there when dealing with the popular “Grand Theft Auto” scapegoat.

    Erin: “Do I think a video game called “the Boyfriend Trainer” is healthy or appropriate? (Not to mention completely vapid.) No. But how many games are there out there like that? I think young girls tend to like to play dress-up games or role playing games like The Sims or Final Fantasy. I haven’t played Final Fantasy in years but at least in that game you could be a man or woman who goes on their quest and you didn’t have to go into porno shops to do it.”

    Dangerous, unhealthy, toxic thinking right there. When there isn’t much of it, no big deal. Let’s focus on the majority issue.

    You know where I hear this line of reasoning in other aspects of life:

    “Oh, women sexually/physically abuse men and boys. Too bad, women and girls are the majority victims. We need to focus on that only.”

    “Advertisements and General Media portraying Men as bumbling fools? Women still get treated like sex objects. So stop complaining.”

    The problem, as I see it, with this line of thinking you’re extending to “The Boyfriend Trainer” as a non-issue is it pushes aside any concerns how it will affect men, treat it as unimportant. If any men are affected by this (and they are. Don’t believe otherwise. Especially ones who have been through some serious trauma at the hands of a female perpatrator), we should just tell them it’s not a priority and they should throw all their support behind violence against women.

    To me, that’s not equality. That’s making one issue more imporatant than the other.

    Equality should also extend to equal focus. Fifty-fifty attettention. If we are supposed to address sexism in society, then it doesn’t help leaving one aspect of it to starve out on the fringes while the other is bequeathed an exorborant amount of healing and support.

    This should go for sexism and violence in videogames.

    Like what I said earlier, either games like “The Boyfriend Trainer” are equally unhealthy as the Grand Theft Autos of the industry.

    Or violence against women is the superior concern.

    If you’re for equality, what type are you looking for here?

  8. Eagle, I am not familiar enough with the games you mentioned to know if they treat women respectfully or not. But for sake of argument, to trust your judgement and say they do, what does that have to do with the games that don’t? This is a deflection tactic. to avoid talking about a certain sect of games by pointing to others. I didn’t say that *all* video game treat women poorly. However, there is clearly a big market and appeal for games that do. And these games are becoming increasingly more graphic and popular.

    You can disagree with my opinion but you don’t get to tell me that I am “exaggerating” because when I was a young girl I would have felt uncomfortable to be in a room of boys playing games about prostitutes and strippers. Ridiculous. Throwing in words like “puritans” and “Christians”, highly emotional words, doesn’t change that.

    In Grand Theft you can run over a prostitute. In Duke Nukem you can slap a woman to “reassure her”. Don’t you think it would only benefit men and women to articulate why that is and what is happening with the appeal of such games? And the fact that you got younger boys playing them? I do think these kind of games are more ramphet then they use to be.

    You mentioned that in Grand Theft Auto it as mearly a “option” to run over a prostitute. So that’s suppose to make it better? If the options to run over a prostitute isn’t all that important to the game to being with, why is it even in there? Why is a depiction of a prostitute even in a video game, and why do you get to run her over if it has no baring on the actual video game? If a girl had the “option” to taser her boyfriend or not, does that make the message any better?

    Do the stories in these video games make the depictions of the people in them less demeaning? I don’t deny there are stories and missions. That’s what video games are about. They use to be about saving the Princess, now they are about showcasing women in very limited and sexual graphic roles.

    Further, I didn’t SAY that we shouldn’t address video games that set up negative ideas about men. We should. But lets also be honest about reach here and what’s clearly having more of an affect. If you know other video games that degenerate men, I’d love to know! Please share them.

    You’re so offended at the suggestion that there ARE more degrading commentary about women in video games then of men in video games for girls, but your not offended that women are portrayed as strippers and prostitutes and it’s okay to run them over or slap them.

    This desire to push off the other gender’s social issues happens on both sides. But you use the same exact basis of your argument they do when they right off issues for men. You don’t want to talk about how women are portrayed in popular video games because there are women out there that don’t want to talk about the issues you face.

    Well guess what? I’m a woman that’s more then happy to talk about issues men face. I HATE projections of men as bumbling idiots in media. I rather see strong, happy, healthy smart male figures. I can still comment on that issue AND notice that popular video games for guys really objectify and demean women. But you are too busy making the same argument you complain against that you’re closing the conversation just as those people do when they say things like you exampled:

    “Advertisements and General Media portraying Men as bumbling fools? Women still get treated like sex objects. So stop complaining.”

    Again, I didn’t SAY the boyfriend Trainer was a non issue. You projected that onto me. I said that games that degenerate women in video games are more popular then games that degenerate men. And I think that’s worth addressing. If these games are popular with a male base, only men are going to be the ones to fight the gender stereotypes and objectifications made in them about women.

    Lastly you commented that games like “The Boyfriend Trainer” is equally unhealthy as “Grand Theft Auto”. Completely agree. But I’m confused that you earlier defended Grand Theft Auto on the terms of it having a story line and that running over a prostitute was only an “option”. So what is it..Grand Theft Auto is unhealthy or it’s okay? I already understand your position on “The Boyfriend Trainer” . I’m just foggy on your position on Grand Theft Auto.

    I also an curious what you purpose we do about these games. How we stop negative portrayals of each gender in them since you agree they are unhealthy. How we stop the attraction to them and why is there even an attraction to them to begin with.

    • You can also run over men in the Grand Theft Auto series. It isn’t just prostitutes. You can run over any number of person in that series. GTA is just depicting an accurate setting to NYC. Do you deny that prostitutes roam the streets at night? Do you deny there are strip bars in NYC, primarily pandering to men? GTA is just a mirror for life. Everything is portrayed realistically in GTA because that’s how life works. In real life, you can run over hookers (with consequences, like there are in GTA, only temporary though), and you can run over all matter of person in real life. This is what GTA does. GTA simulates real life in that what you can do in real life, you can do on the game. In the game, you can run over whoever the heck you want, including police officers, hookers, strippers, gang members, or even the average joe. This game isn’t even saying that what happens is okay. In GTA IV, main character Niko has a tragic ending because of all these bad things that happen throughout the game. This game is ultimately saying that a life lived on the streets, living day-to-day by shooting someone for money, is ultimately going to lead to unhappiness. I, as a female, have played the game and actually LIKED the main character. Sure, I’ll admit I was initially shocked by the strippers, but guess what? That’s REALITY. In reality, gangsters/mafia members actually, I don’t know, visit strip clubs to convene for missions? And these games are rated M, for mature, meaning high school boys shouldn’t even be playing them in the first place (but let’s be real, they are).

      • Video games are now accurate projections of reality? That’s the first time I’ve heard that.

        • The good video games are, and what’s wrong with projecting reality through video games? If you were actually a gamer, you would understand the evolution of video games is going more toward realism than anything else, particularly among the hardcore gamer crowd. With the softcore gamer crowd, you’re still going to get games like Mario (which I love), Donkey Kong, and the like, but the hardcore gamers is where the money is at, and so because these gamers want realistic games, you’re going to get realistic games. And there’s nothing wrong with that, and I don’t see why you’re acting like there is something wrong with that. I don’t approve of censorship. Video games have always been held to a higher standard than movies and books. It’s okay to have a car explosion in a movie, but if it’s in a video game, it’s somehow immoral. If you want to censor reality, that’s fine, but don’t expect reality to be censored for everyone else. Games have gotten more complex to where gamers are expecting more complex stories. With complex stories come complex characters, and with complex characters comes more realistic game play to match what you can do in real life (ergo, the more entertaining parts of life). Actually play these games before you shoot your mouth off. Don’t want your kids to play it? Fine. They’re not meant for your kids. They’re meant for adults.

          • By the way, your princess saving games still exist. Buy a Wii, and you’ll find plenty of kid friendly games, all of which I love to play as well.

      • Peter Houlihan says:

        Not so much accurate as parodic. It depicts the kind of new york seen in crime films.

  9. The real question I have is who would *want* to play this game? Who would possibly get any sort of enjoyment from playing it?

    The women who are looking for men and who presumably hold the same sort of view of men as the game-makers do aren’t a huge game-playing market. Women who do play games would probably find it moronic and boring to play. Teenagers would probably get bored with it, dudes would have absolutely no desire to play with it, it would have very little appeal to the GLBT market… what kind of moron greenlit this project?

    • “The real question I have is who would *want* to play this game? Who would possibly get any sort of enjoyment from playing it?”

      This sort of thing is huge with women, the media is awash with it, it sells many products. Its female game meets consumerism.

      • Aquaaba, I’m not so familier with games that project women using and portraying men in negative stereoptypical gender roles. If you know of any, please share. I’d love to know.

        • Erin

          When I said female game, I meant the female game/relationship advice industry which is a large and very visible industry which is based around advice on how to manipulate men and the degrading of, minipulation of, emasculation of and violence towards men by women as humour is routine in sit-coms, film and advertising, this game is an extension of the systematic degradation of maleness in the culture, as is this article in which the op deflects makes it about women.

          • and men are routinely depicted as disposable death, violence and mutilation objects in computer games.

            • Well lets go full circle then and talk about pornography and it’s degrading and objectifying view of wom

            • …woops got cut off..

              You talk like objectifications of women in other media aren’t made all the time Aquaaba. There are tons of negative messages about women in everyday tv, advertising and other popular men’s interests.

              As I said before. I would be more okay with women being projected in equal terms as men, being out in the line of fire, being fully clothed, and having the same set of skills the men did then I am projections of prostitutes and strippers

            • Erin

              Not to anywhere near the same extent, sex is used to sell and men do have an apatite for sex and attractive women as do many women, but there isn’t the same systematic and deliberate degradation of women and celebration of violence against women and humiliation of women broadcast on all channels as there is of men, no where near it, not even close, yes you will find women being trained and on leashed in consensual bdsm but you wont find teenage boys being trained to practice non consensual humiliation and control over women in the mainstream.

            • Yes. Please show us this.
              I can at this writing moment find porn with fat women, with dominant women, with submissive women, with short women, with tall women, with women with glasses, with bold women, with black women, with asian women, with indian women and so on. But where can I find porn that contains men other than either fat and big dicked or ripped and big dicked?

            • Aquaaba, are you saying because men have an appetite for sex and attractive women it’s okay to objectify and stereotype women then? Maybe I am not understanding.

              I understand that porn isn’t “mainstream” in the same context that sitcoms are. But I would bet you serious money that you have more 11 year old boys watching pornography and playing video games then you do having them watch Everybody Loves Raymond.

              I see so many degrading things projected about women daily. Everywhere. I use to be in advertising. Google “degrading advertising” or “sexist advertising”. You don’t even have to type in “men” or “women”. I just ask you take a look and see what comes up.

              I know I more readily notice those depictions only for the fact that I’m a woman myself. I wouldn’t expect men to always notice the things I do as a woman that speak to me . But I would hope that by pointing it out, some men would go “yeah, I see how that sucks. What can I do as a man to not contribute to that problem.” Because honestly, that’s what I do! I don’t support things that are demeaning to men. And if I am doing something that is a negative stereotype towards men, because I have done that, I try to check myself and make myself more aware of what I’m doing.

              But instead what seems to happen is that it’s justified to treat women a certain way because after all, men *like* sex and sexy women. So if the worth of a woman is dependent on her chest size it’s okay because men like breasts.

              Men totally do garner negative stereotypes in sitcoms. By the way, if anyone thinks that women are portrayed stellar in sitcoms, they are kidding themselves. I don’ consider the dominating, condescending women who manages the man and the family any more positive then I do the bumbling idiot.

              8 of 10, I’m aware there are many “categories” of women in porn. Infact, women are often fetishized based on what limited and stereotypical category they “fit” into right? Men peg women into tiny little boxes based on their body. And women get labeled all kinds of demeaning names for it. You think this is positive? I don’t think it’s positive to fetishize women from their ethnicity to a certain body part. There are things you can say and do to a woman in porn that you couldn’t do to a man based on his religion or ethnicity. Could you imagine treating a Jewish person like women are often treated in porn? It would be considered Anti-Semitic. I heard Asian women discuss being objectified for their ethnicity. The second point here is that while there are many “categories” of women in porn, the biggest chunk of porn, most women in the industry fit into a very tiny limited fantasy ideal about women and tend to be on the young side of 18-25.

              As far as men in porn, any porn I’ve seen the men were never that attractive and the women were clearly much more attractive. All the women had perfect little bodies and the guys were fat, old, hairy, young..yada yada.

              Again, I am not denying that men are objectified. I have a choice everyday to participate in that objectification of men or not. I choose not to. How about you? What do you choose to do. Do you choose to participate in the objectification of women or do you take a stand against it?

            • Well Erin, sexual objectification is normal behaviour and something that all sexual people of all orientations do, its very feminist to expect others to prioritize the sexual objectification of women over that of other people and its even more feminist to expect others to prioritize that over training violent and emotional abuse of male targets , emasculation and humiliation of males as a cultural norm, genital torture of men as routine entrainment, men being depicted as violence, death and mutilation objects and so on, as well as that women routinely objectify men as sexual and status objects, no doubt you do this too, and enjoy doing it. I’m not saying that there isn’t a problem with objectification, what there is a problem with here is feminists attempting to take something thats very serious, female children being trained to practice abuse on male targets, downplay it and spin it to make it about them. This is extreme narcissism, and entitlement. The same thing is happening on another thread where a dishonest feminist is cynically trying to make fathers rights about wage gap, I’d be more open to talking to you about objectification, if you weren’t trying to make girls being trained to abuse boys about you/women but as it stands, I’ve little more to say to you about it.

              Look, I don’t truck with pedalistalising women or treating women as special and expecting me to is barking up the wrong tree, look at how little support this article is getting, at how many people are calling it on its bs, look at how a more extreme version of the gmp, the “conscious male” manifesto is being mocked internationally. You can rationalize that things that affect men are really about you or women in general, the OP can too, but we’re not buying it.

            • Plus the op is very out of touch with mens issues if he thinks that commercial misandry has just “suddenly appeared”. The mens movement have been writing about it for years.

            • Aquaaba, I didn’t realize not objectifying women is now about putting them on pedestals. But you cleared up my question. You do think objectification is okay per the other genders shallow desires. But I don’t. Call me crazy like that.

              You’re not willing to talk about it because I don’t think you care to give an equal quarry to how women are treated. You have yet to contribute one point on the subject. You’ve given me a earful about how you think men are abused, you are clearly troubled by it and I think you should be.

              There are poor examples of men in entertainment. I can admit that. I don’t need to deny it. I also don’t need to deny it when it happens to women to, unlike you. Contrary to popular belief, women don’t live in some idialic world.

              By the way, what did I say below to Eagle? I wouldn’t be playing the game, I didn’t think it was healthy and I don’t like the portrayal of men in sitcoms as bumbling idiots. Women in sitcoms aren’t portrayed any better. The dominating, condescending shrew of a wife isn’t exactly a flatter female portrayl. But again, you don’t even consider that do you.

              All I wish is that men would consider all the ways popular male entertainment belittles women. The prostitutes and strippers in Grand Theft Auto are only one tiny facet of a bigger issue. But getting some men to see that, admit it and say “hey I am not going to be a man that contributes to that”, is pretty hard sometimes. I’m not even DEFENDING “Boyfriend Trainer”. There are people on her defending games like GTA.

          • Yes, but despite that this group exists, they’re not even traditionally consumers in the video games market. They’re probably not even fans of platforms like the Wii which do have a broad demographic appeal. Why bother making it if the people who it’s designed for won’t even buy or play the game?

        • Peter Houlihan says:

          How about GTA? Full of negative male stereotypes.

  10. Erin: “Eagle, I am not familiar enough with the games you mentioned to know if they treat women respectfully or not. But for sake of argument, to trust your judgement and say they do, what does that have to do with the games that don’t? This is a deflection tactic. to avoid talking about a certain sect of games by pointing to others. I didn’t say that *all* video game treat women poorly. However, there is clearly a big market and appeal for games that do. And these games are becoming increasingly more graphic and popular.”

    I’m not deflecting. Instead, I’m providing a balance here since you said earlier, and I quote:

    “But before we crap ourselves with righteous indignation, let’s gather our wits about us, get some perspective, and consider what’s more harmful to young men: the barrage of misogyny and sexualized violence in mass-produced, “adult”-marketed, heavily distributed games such as Grand Theft Auto, or this laughable cartoon schlock, a stream of piss in an ocean of dime-store Web content designed for people with the most rudimentary understanding of gender relations.”

    That’s not balance. Again, you’re suggesting we pay MORE attention to violent and mysoganic videogames. These are your words right here. For you to claim I’m deflecting the issue is rather rich coming from someone who calls “The Boyfriend Trainer” laughable cartoon schlock.

    Erin: You can disagree with my opinion but you don’t get to tell me that I am “exaggerating” because when I was a young girl I would have felt uncomfortable to be in a room of boys playing games about prostitutes and strippers. Ridiculous. Throwing in words like “puritans” and “Christians”, highly emotional words, doesn’t change that.

    And you don’t get to assume the worst in boys who play these kinds of games either. The way you put it is that anybody who plays these games is bound to turn into a woman-hating mysoganist. Just because you feel uncomfortable doesn’t give you the right to stereotype boys who play these games. How do you know, for example, that they’re only playing “Grand Theft Auto” to run over prostitutes? Did you ask them?

    “Grand Theft Auto” is not simply about strippers and prostitutes, by the way. As I’ve told you before, the player has a CHOICE whether to make it all about strippers and prostitutes. Otherwise, the missions vary in tasks and rewards.

    Whereas games like “The Boyfriend Trainer”, inflicting violence on the male character is the sole point of the game and the sole requirement to win. Yet, you call it cartoon shlock whereas I call it what it is: Unhealthy. Because it promotes violence against men as the only reason to play, making it humorous.

    Erin: So that’s suppose to make it better? If the options to run over a prostitute isn’t all that important to the game to being with, why is it even in there?

    Because it’s an OPTION. A CHOICE! The purpose of the Grand Theft Auto games is to simulate a free-roaming, open-ended world. So you’re going to get all kinds of options. Do I have to repeat myself because if, by this point, you still don’t get it than I don’t know what to say except you should play the game and experience for yourself how, in the end, running over prostitutes is not even important to the plot.

    Erin: “Further, I didn’t SAY that we shouldn’t address video games that set up negative ideas about men. We should. But lets also be honest about reach here and what’s clearly having more of an affect. If you know other video games that degenerate men, I’d love to know! Please share them.”

    Wrong again. You said, and I quote:

    “If there were ever a choose-your-battles moment in the male blogosphere, it’d be now. Let’s have an adult conversation about the effects of hyper-realistic violence on boys, the racism and misogyny in the gaming community, and especially, as David Futrelle has asked, what women really want from games—and why those repelled by the morass of incivility on WoW or Xbox Live might be drawn elsewhere, be it Farmville or, you know, a game where you get to whack some tchotch with a tennis racket.

    When we can address the deep-seated issues that plague and polarize the mainstream gaming community, then we can talk about the threat of AddictingGames.com—and why, suddenly, there are opportunities for anti-male baubles to make a profit.”

    In short, you made it a non-issue using sematics.

    This is my point right here. Sexism in videogames is a two-way street. You’re not being honest by using sematics as a measure of worth for an issue.

    If we were to go with your concluding paragraph, then that means we have to wait for violence and sexual abuse against men and boys from female perpetrators to be on the same level in order for it to be considered an issue. Toxic thinking and I don’t want any part of it, thank you very much.

    I don’t give a damn whether or not games like “The Boyfriend Trainer” have more of an affect. It’s still unhealthy to promote violence against men like that. And no amount of “But…but violence and sexism against women is more prevalant” malarky is going to stop me from believing it. Because I believe in equality of focus. Duke Nukem is unhealthy and so is “The Boyfriend Trainer”. They are equally unhealthy.

    Erin: “You’re so offended at the suggestion that there ARE more degrading commentary about women in video games then of men in video games for girls, but your not offended that women are portrayed as strippers and prostitutes and it’s okay to run them over or slap them.”

    Of course I’m offended. Because it goes against the equality you talk about. Nothing is more or less important. Are you suggesting I don’t have a right to be offended unless my offense is directed more towards Mysoganic video games?

    The women in Grand Theft Auto are portrayed as strippers but there are also women who are level-headed supporting characters. Like I said, it’s an open-ended world.

    Erin: “I’m just foggy on your position on Grand Theft Auto.”

    You see Grand Theft Auto as a game that encourages people to run over prostitutes. That’s all you see.

    I see there is more than that. I’ve researched the games and even played Grand Theft Auto IV. You haven’t. I’m a gamer and don’t hate women nor have an inclination towards abusing them after having played it.

    If you’re uncomfortable with playing them, that’s fine. But if you’re going to make claims about Grand Theft Auto being only about prostitues and running them over and nothing else, it doesn’t do your case any good without having played them.

    Erin: “Eagle, I am not familiar enough with the games you mentioned to know if they treat women respectfully or not.”

    Then here’s your chance. Play them, experience them. You won’t be dissappointed. Unless you have strict standards on how even positive female portrayals should be done then…well…different strokes I guess.

    • I would like to add that the Grand Theft Auto games are restricted to young boys anyway.

      • FlawInTheSystem says:

        Its also worth pointing out Duke Nukem has no pornographic content. If you’d have played the game to any small amount you would know this. Its a 2D platform shooter. Duke Nukem 3D was the first to have such content, was released as 18+, so no children (not boys, that others girls who game) getting hold of it without flawed and neglectful parents. In every country i can find it was below 18+, the copy released was censored.

        Also grand theft auto, 18+.

        But I see no age rating on this boyfriend trainer.

      • Eagle, you’re still deflecting. I can’t force you to recognize the degradement of women through video games. It’s disappointing but I wish deep in my heart more men were for advocating for positive portrayals of women instead of the highly sexualized, sex toy images usually that seem so attractive to men.

        And I don’t know who you are quoting but it’s certainly not me..I never said anything in that whole paragraph you just said “and I quote”, that you claimed was me. Point me to what article you got that quote from. You’re either lying, or you’re getting it from another poster whose has used the same user name as me “Erin”. There is someone else that’s posts that unfortunately uses the same name. So show me the article where you got that quote. Thanks.

        Again, you project false assumptions. I NEVER said that boys are “awful” because they enjoy Grand Theft Auto. I never even hinted at a suggestion that boys turn into women hating misogynists because they play GTA. No one did. Nothing is ever that black and white. But I DO realistically ask myself why these portrayals of women appeal to them. Not an illogical question. The game could have very easily portrayed fully clothed, regular bodied women in the mix and left out the strippers and prostitutes out. Why didn’t they? Because they knew enough men would LIKE the installment of highly sexual, nearly naked, unrealistic portrayals of women in it. And just like you as a man don’t want to be stereotyped and used, either do women.

        We’d be lying to ourselves to say media doesn’t infact shape certain normalized views of our retrospective genders. Talking about the poor representation of genders in media doesn’t mean anyone is saying the other gender is crap. And if you can’t see that I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a common tactic I see, deflecting the vilification of women in popular male media with hypocritical outrage how even the very mention of women being objectified is a degradement on men when women are infact, often objectified in popular male media.

        I’m really getting tired of your complete distortion and lying about my words. Where did I say that The Boyfriend Trainer was “laughable cartoon schlock”? Show me. I actually said that the game was offensive. I certainly wouldn’t let my daughter play it.

        It’s so strange to me that you say, “Just because you feel uncomfortable doesn’t give you the right to stereotype boys who play these games.” First, I’m allowed to feel uncomfortable with portrayals of women as highly sexual sex toys. Yes or no? Second, I’m not even stereotyping anyone. All I do is question why highly sexualized negative portrayals of women in media is so popular. Funny how you are clearly upset at what you perceived to be my attempt to stereotype boys but you feel no such level of anger about stereotypes made about women.

        If running over prostitutes isn’t important to the plot and just done out of malicious fun, that’s even worse. You keep trying to say that depictions of women as prostitutes in video games and running them over is okay because it’s an “option” and not the key plot. If that’s the case, then it’s even worse. I guess if it’s only an option to take a “boyfriend” for all his money and kick him out the door, then it’s not degrading to men right? Yeah right.

        Again..you quote me and I have no clue where you are getting these quotes from! Why don’t you stick to the comments I actually aid, in *this* article. I have no freaking clue why you keep attempting to “quote” me on things I never said. And again, please point me to the articles you are getting these quotes from.

        Games like GTA and Duke Nukem that set women up in really narrow degrading stereotypical roles plain suck when you’re a woman and you see 15 year old boys to grown adult men laughing about running over the prostitute or getting off to giving the little lady a “reassuring slap” of his authority. Hey I get why they don’t suck to you. But as a woman, they sure suck to seek how many get off on that kind of entertainment.

        I’ll just keep asking for men to look at this entertainment with a more open and honest eye. And ask yourself how healthy it really is. YOu admit that these video games have misogynistic themes in the same breath you go on to defend their place in guy’s lives. SO I guess a certain amount of misognism is okay if a man gets a certain amount of pleasure from it.

        By the way, I think we all get that highly sexual games are for 18+ adults. I have two comments on that. First, why do highly sexual and misognistic themes appeal to grown men? And second, despite porn’s 18+ legal rule, we all know boys have easy access to porn through their own home or friends. Video games are no different. Many young boys are going to find their hands on something like this. And if you wouldn’t want your daughters or sisters to be playing games that were about abusing men, then at least be honest enough to admit that games that abuse women deserve a level of thought and consideration.

        • Erin: “Eagle, you’re still deflecting. I can’t force you to recognize the degradement of women through video games. It’s disappointing but I wish deep in my heart more men were for advocating for positive portrayals of women instead of the highly sexualized, sex toy images usually that seem so attractive to men.”

          So it’s not enough for you to re-direct how I should be feeling offended. Now you’re making assumptions on my eglitarianism just because, you claim, that I don’t bring enough attention to the plight of female characters in video games.

          I try to offer you balance by giving you more detail, accurate detail mind you as I have actually PLAYED and RESEARCHED the Grand Theft Auto games, and this is the response I get.

          I’m not surprised, Erin. It seems everytime someone tries to bring attention to both sides of sexism, there’s always someone harping on the amount of attention, that the currency should go to women’s issues or how it affects women primarily. It seems you can never, ever have a discussion without sombody bringing up “We need to focus on how it affects women, primarily”.

          I’ve even stated multiple times that the Grand Theft Auto games are more than running over prostitutes. I’ve even emphasised the OPTION part as loud as I could possibly do it and yet, you can’t seem to go beyond this.

          Instead, you and this article dictate where I should direct my attention. And even worse, you make assumptions on my eglitarianism, subtly implying that I don’t support positive female portrayals in games when I’ve listed some of my favorites that have balanced portrayals from both genders.

          As far as the article is concerned, I retract my assumptions and apolagize. You didn’t write it. However, my point still stands: The article treats “The Boyfriend Trainer” as nothing serious because there’s nowhere near the amount of its type compared to the misogany present in mainstream games and that we should direct all attention to that.

          You agree with this. I don’t.

          Make all the assumptions on my character you like. But you can forget it. I stand by what I claim, I’m not a woman hater, I don’t think we should ignore the plight of women just because I think both sexism against women and men are equally reprehensible. No one is going to tell me otherwise, not you, not this article, or anyone supposedly about “Equality” who then asks that we help only women by using sematics to dodge the issue of sexism and negative portrayls of men.

          As far as why running over prostitutes appeals to men, are you kidding me? You think men buy and play these games just to run over prostitutes and degrade women? Again, where is your proof? How do you know that they’re only running over prostitutes and not playing the game all the way through, experiencing the other portraylas of women in it? You’re making all kinds of claims without backing it up. So is this article, even.

          In your eyes, it seems like I’m downplaying prostitues and running them over. I’m not. I don’t see the appeal in running over prostitutes, even though its an option. But I’m not going to outright condemn Grand Theft Auto III, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and Grand Theft Auto IV for having this option present because women aren’t solely portrayed as prostitutes in the games and running them over is not integral to the plot. There are also consequences for running them over, heck for playing vehicular homicide period, and these consequences build and build until you pay the price in the law enforcement and army divisions launching a full scale attack on your character. The same with running over prostitutes: You do it enough times, you’re going to get a whole heap of army and law enforcement on your tale assaulting you with high caliber weapons. So that’s hardly what I’d call rewarding men for doing it.

          If a game like this has, in place, a consequence system that multiplies for every free-flowing murder spree you go on that has nothing to do with the plot then that tells you its doing a decent job of saying to the player “You shouldn’t do this.”

          Now, are there any systems like this in a game like “The Boyfriend Trainer”. No!

          Are there consequences for inflicting grevious harm on the men in that game? No!

          Is abusing men the only way to win the game and garner points? Yes!

          Is it made solely for the purpose of depicting men as doormats and willing to be abused by females in exchange for a relationship? Yes!

          Now I have a right to feel offended at that. You and that article are saying it shouldn’t be an issue using semantics. Semantics are easy way to deflect the issue which you claim I do.

          That’s all I’m going to say as you’ve pretty much made up your mind on where you stand on this issue.

          • One last thing I should add:

            If Grand Theft Auto were making the games solely about abusing women as the main goal to win and advance in status, then I would feel outraged. In fact, I wouldn’t give the makers and distributors a dime of my money for purchase or rental purposes.

            But that’s not what the games are about. They depict violence against both genders at equal levels while providing positive portrayls of women in them.

            • Thanks for the sincere apology on the misquoting Eagle.

              No, I am not making assumptions on your egalitarianism. Apparently it’s okay to misrepresent women in games because men are also misrepresented in games to a much lesser extent. And you don’t appear to like to discuss the gap out of it being unfair to men to admit that they have a bigger hand in degrading media content toward women in the gaming industry specifically. So somehow it’s *wrong* to make a factual statement of that accord. Apparently it’s much worse to smack a man (I in no way ever smacked a man or condone it in any form), then run over a prostitute or portray women as only being worthy enough living beings for their boobs.

              I don’t need men to ALWAYS sit there and think about how things affect women. I’d just like to see it sometimes. Good Man Project opens up these discussions in ways I never seen before. And for that effort on their part, I’m grateful. But your conversation is the same old conversation I’ve heard from guys for awhile. They don’t want to talk about anything that reflects an unconscious or conscious contribution of poor media accounts of women. You asked me how do I know you don’t care. Because your commentary is all about how your wronged by a online flash game that most women aren’t even playing vs. the highly popular, gaming system GTA. How many people do you know that are playing “Boyfriend Trainer”. How many people do you know play GTA. I’m sorry but that matters even though you want to pretend it doesn’t.

              So lets keep screwing over the other gender so we can get our individual jollies. You’ve used the facts that in “Grand Theft Auto” it’s okay to run over prostitutes (yes I acknowledge that you personally don’t like this attribute of the game) because it’s not the main part of the game and it’s an “option”. So it’s okay to have negative projections of women in games as long as a person has the option to do it or not and as long at it’s not the main goal of the game. But why are these things even in games to begin with? Because the makers of the game know that their main audience, males, will respond to it.

              By the why, apparently in GTA not only can the gamer run the prostitute over but they can have sex with her, kick her out of the car, then chase her down and beat her up to retake the money the gamer had to pay toward her in the first place. Thus restoring both the gamer’s character’s health and money. The gamer gets “rewarded” for beating up the prostitute. Despites your claims to the contrary.

              There are a lot of Hasidic jews in NYC too. Why can’t a gamer have the option to run over them too in the game? Because that would carry heavy anti-Semitic overtones. But projecting women in an individual game mainly as prostitutes and strippers, running prostitutes over and even beating them up, lets not forget that they are *all* female prostitutes because there are certainly no male prostitutes in the game, is okay.

              I never once made any assumption about your character. Other then the gross misrepresentations and forced “this is what you think” commentary, I think your an intelligent guy. Infact, in my other post to you I clearly said that I didn’t equate a boys interest in GTA equal to hate for women. It’s just not that black and white. But I am also not going to be “shamed” for questioning what these images mean and say about women and why guys respond to them with excitement. And why certain men avoid even talking about these serious questions because it’s clearly more worthy when men are degraded in media then when women are.

              I said it before but I will say it again, I completely and totally acknowledge negative messages are sent about men in media. I just wrote a response above to Aquaaba on this. I do my best not to support those gender commentaries. I absolutely despise those “men are dumb ha ha ” sitcom jokes. I don’t watch them. I don’t support them. I think they are bad stuff for men and women. I won’t be playing “Boyfriend Trainer” in my free time. I won’t be buying it (not that you even can buy it.) And I don’t think it’s asking for too much if guys returned the favor. If more men and women did that, I suspect it would be pretty awesome and if both genders saw the other working for them, it would only foster better relationships.

              I infact do think a certain portion of males play these games because they highly enjoy the degrading and highly sexual add-ins. Game makers wouldn’t put it in there if men didn’t respond to it. If the gamers playing GTA wanted to run over male prostitutes, then that would have been put in the game. But gamers don’t. They like the idea of game “babes” that are all ridiculously busty, nearly naked and stereotyped. If women were equals in video games, we’d see more fully clothed women with the same skill set as the men in video games.

              The difference between your argument and mine, is that you subjugate the degradation and objectification of women in media because you consider small optional amounts okay. That’s plain bullcrap.

              It’s not okay to make racial slurs “only a little bit”. It’s not okay to make anti-semetic comments “only a little bit” or to hit someone “only a little bit” . At least what you personally consider “ a little bit”. The gaming industry is filled with awful stereotypes about women.

              You suggest that I don’t think you should be pissed at games like “Boyfriend Trainer”. You should very well be pissed and annoyed at depictions of men as doormats! But you also somehow think this negates your ability to have any kind of intellectual honest discussion about women be projected as only empty lifeless sex toys.

              I totally acknowledge that there are negative projections of men in media and I don’t want a part of it. I want to treat men how I want to be treated in return. I am not going to sit there and defend games like “Boyfriend Trainer” like you’ve defended objectifications of women in Grand Theft Auto. And I’m not going to say bullcrap stuff like “oh well it’s only a little abuse to men and it’s optional so it’s really okay”.

              If there was a video game that was as popular as GTA that’s main objective wasn’t to abuse men, but through the game you could, and you could project men as nothing more then walking wallets, you’d have a right to wonder why this appealed to women and be pissed.

              But don’t worry, I get it. It’s okay to degrade women as you define it “a little bit” (not the main point of the game) or “optional” degradement.

              The big difference between us is at least I can admit that games like Boyfriend Trainer are crap. All you did was defend stereotypes and projections of women in GTA. And now you’re going to try and claim that such games are actually positives for women. What a joke. Yeah okay, got it, it’s positive to showcase women as prostitutes and strippers with huge porno knockers and that’s “positive”. No Eagle, games do not project men and women as equals. Not even other gamers believe that.

              h ttp://bitmob.com/articles/sexism-and-misogyny-are-gamings-status-quo

            • Very well. Then we are at an impasse then.

              You believe I should get all hot and bothered because women can be prostitutes in Grand Theft Auto and I’ve told you, they are not the only portrayal of women in the game. There are women in the game who are on equal levels as the men in it, except to find them, you would have to play through the actual game. Follow the plot, complete the missions, don’t stray.

              Erin: “The difference between your argument and mine, is that you subjugate the degradation and objectification of women in media because you consider small optional amounts okay. That’s plain bullcrap.”

              Okay, I’m really done talking with you.

              I’ve been through a lot of negative experiences with people labeling me and judging my character. The last thing I want is to have someone like you telling me what I should and shouldn’t think and where I should direct my rage.

              There are women who are portrayed as prostitutes and you can run them over. I’m not crazy about it. I agree its degrading.

              However, there are also women in the game who are portrayed with decency. Granted, they may not be up to your standards of independance and humaness, but the makers have done everything they can to bring a balance to their satrical world. But you, you want me to ignore all that and fly into a fit of rage over an OPTION that has nothing to do with the plot and has consequences for the player should they choose to go on an abusive spree with them. It’s not enough to appease with consequences, no let’s condemn the whole world Grand Theft Auto portrays just because one portrayal offends you.

              I’ve tried. But I’ve got better things to do with my time.

              It was a nice talk, but we’re obviously not getting anywhere.

            • Why don’t I tell you what I believe instead of *you* telling me what I believe Eagle.

              To me, it seems you’re defending and justifying showcasing women as prostitutes in GTA because it’s “optional”. (Again, there aren’t any man prostitutes are there?) You’re message is that optional degradement of women is okay. And as long as it’s not the “main” objective of the game, it’s okay to show treatment or signs of degradement of women in games. In “Boyfriend Trainer”, you can slap the “boyfriend”. In GTA, you can bang a prostitute, kick her out, beat her up, and take back your money.

              At the end of the day, it’s not specifically about how I think you should feel about the projection of women as prostitutes in GTA. What I truly believe is that you’re making up excuses why it’s okay to degenerate women in popular male oriented games and controversly outraged by games that degenerate men. And this is what happens time and time again. Certain men that feel vilified by today’s society are outraged by negative projections of men. But these are also the same men that engage in games that project women as the second citizens, submissive, sex toys, highlight women only under a certain age proving that all other women that aren’t that”young” anymore might as well be dead to them…because lets be honest, most girls in video games and popular male media look like girls with super big boobs. These are the men that look at porn, these are the men that are giving their friends high fives for “banging” that random girl and throwing her away. These are the guys that slap each other’s back for banging younger women.

              That’s my main isssue in all this because it’s a common one I see with men. It’s not okay to degenerate men. But it’s okay to degenerate women in these “case”, for x,y and z reasons.

              Now do I think that means these men hate women? No. Do I think this means men don’t have women in their lives they love and respect? No. I think it means that when it comes to certain things, the pleasure these men get from whatever media they are engaging in, outweighs anything else. Especially treating women with kindness, respect and value. That’s my main issue in all this. You’re justfications about why games like GTA are okay and games like “Boyfriend Trainer” aren’t is a symptom of a bigger issue I’ve experienced as a woman. I see guys regularly justify degrading women for their own pleasure. And at the same time, these guys DO have women in their lives they love and respect. And these same guys don’t want to be seen as “monsters” or “jerks”, they want to be seen as good men, with good hearts that love women. Because they really do. But they also get off to treating women less too. I’m not condemning men. I don’t think it’s a black and white issue. I don’t expect men to be perfect. I just wish more men would take a look at this dichomony that is pretty preveleant.

              I think men have the ability to be better. And I think men want to be better. And have the ability to garner even greater respect from women. But it’s not going to happen when men make up justifications on why it’s okay to objectify women. It doesn’t matter if the objectification is for 5 seconds or 500 years, the affect is still the same right? Objectification and degradement don’t have time limits do they?
              So if a game featured another objective but in the process smacked men around and stole their money and kicked them to the curb, that would be okay by you? I don’t think so. If that same game projected a man or two in positive roles but still showcased the “boyfriend” being beat for looking at other girls, would that make okay for you? Again, I really don’t think so.

              I’m not judging your character and I don’t think you hate women. I just think you have different set of rules you want men to live by and be treated then you do women. That doesn’t equate to hate against women, just unawareness about the things women face.

  11. They are teaching men to be submissive to women and women to control and emotionally and physically abuse men in advertising, sitcoms and now here is a game that teaches teen girls how to operate a D/s relationship.

    This sort of thing will produce large amounts of misogny.

  12. I don’t find a game like this humorous in the least, and I personally make a game out of running people over in GTA (but I would never do that in real life, so don’t mistake me for a psycho, thank you very much).

  13. I mean, let’s be real. If this were called “The Girlfriend Trainer,” you can bet there would be some serious outcry from all over the media.

  14. For the people pulling out the Duke Nukems and GTAs bear in mind that the content in those game are secondary to the actual objective. I haven’t touched a Duke Nukem in a while but I’m pretty sure you can play through those entire games without engaging in that behavior and as far as I know you can play through any GTA game out there without running over a single prostitute (funny how people seem pull this up like they are the only people you can run over). In fact if I’m not mistaken in GTA3 if you stick to playing required missions (as in you have to do them in order to finish the game) you only have to kill one woman the whole time, the final boss in fact.

    • Oh okay..well that that makes running over female prostitutes (because there certainly aren’t any male prostitutes in the game) and strippers okay.

      Sorry. I don’t care if ot’s a main goal or a secondary one. If there was a game that made it okay to steal a man’s wallet and then kick him out, I wouldn’t want my daughter playing it. Period.

      Like I said, games use to be about saving the princess. Now they are about abusing nearly naked porno looking women.

      • Erin

        There are no games “about abusing nearly naked porno looking women” there is a contraversal Japanese one that fits that description but on the whole your statement is a wild exaggeration.

        Marketing non-consensual humiliation and control of men by women through multiple mainstream outlets 24/7 to the point it goes unnoticed by the masses is not ok because because of the few counter examples in video given by the OP.

      • So where did I say it was okay?

        What I am saying is that people seem to want to ignore that stuff like this (and that game “Hey Baby”) are created with the express intent of harming people yet we are supposed to believe that women being harmed are the ones that matter to the point of using a bait and switch post to say so?

        Sorry. I don’t care if ot’s a main goal or a secondary one. If there was a game that made it okay to steal a man’s wallet and then kick him out, I wouldn’t want my daughter playing it. Period.
        I’m glad that you are (and I also find it funny that out of all the violence that happens in games like GTA we are expected to only be outraged over what happens to women). So as I say above what makes it okay to pull a switcheroo like what’s being done in this post?

        • It’s not about “only” being outraged about what happens to women. It’s about also being outraged about what happens to women. The main compliant here is “what about men, what about men”. Yeah, talk about what happens to men! But have the courage to talk about what happens to women too. Have the honesty to admit degradation happens to women a heck of a lot. And have the heart to care about it just lke you care about how men are depicted.

          • FlawInTheSystem says:

            “The main compliant here is “what about men, what about men”. ”

            I think this goes to show there is no safe space for men, men cannot be expected to talk about any persecution they may feel. They may not talk about how they feel unfairly portrayed in media, without someone claiming as women have it worse in all contexts, and thus thats the only issue worth paying attention to. This is specifically insulting considering this is SPECIFICALLY about abuse of a man in a SPECIFIC game.

            Erin, your derailing, falling into the oppression olympics http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Oppression_Olympics , or expressing plain denial of the problem. These are all tactics that have been pulled apart by Feminism 101, but not always need apply to feminism.

            To be honest Erin, your argument comes down to “Women have it worse, suck it up menz. Didn’t you know real menz don’t cry”.

            Men do cry, let them, sometimes they need to. Can we scrap MRM and feminism and start a humanitarian movement already?

            • Sad to say, but no. I don’t think we can. Because as long as even one woman has an unhappy life, we as men are expected to put everything aside to make sure we fix whatever problem she has.

              Don’t believe me? The rate of male suicide is five times greater than that of women… but all you ever hear about is depressed women “attempting” suicide. Five boys are actually dead, but the only thing anybody cares about is the one girl who tried to take her own life.

              Education is failing boys. But the only thing you’ll hear about is that girls are behind in STEM… nevermind they’re ahead (and the gap is getting bigger) in everything else.

              Are we allowed to talk about this? No. Because the cry will come up from the feminists that we are “mansplaining” -Which is a projection if ever I heard one.

              The irony? This cry usaully comes from middle-to-upper class, college educated, liberal coastal-dwelling white females . Quite possibly one of the most “priviledged” group of people ever to walk the earth.

            • Hey FlawinTheSystem, why don’t you finish that last part of my comments after that “what about men, what about men” statement? You know the part, the part where I said “Yeah, talk about what happens to men! But have the courage to talk about what happens to women too.” That’s right. I said “too”. Not “only”. So for you to claim that I asked men to “suck it up” is a complete disingenuous lie.

              Oh but that’s right, because admitting that I’m all for talking about man issues negates your victim position.

              How many times in this article did I say men infact do face poor examples of themselves in media? How many times did I say that I try to avoid and not contribute to those? How many times did I just ask for that in return from men?

            • Tell me Erin, where are men to go to discuss this issue without women coming in to demand we give consideration to how something effects women? If you want to discuss how women are affected by porn and other portrayals of them in media (and vice versa) you have literally thousands of feminist websites, mainstream newsites, and even religious sites if that appeals to you.

              Where are men to go? We can’t go to any of those places, because we’re told that “women have it worse” and that we should just suck it up. We’re told we’re displaying our “privilidge” and trying to “derail” the conversation.

              So we go away. We try and set up other places where we can discuss. But they still follow us to tell us we’re whining.

              You claim you’re “all for talking about men’s issues” But I haven’t actually seen you do that. Every article you post on you start talking about how Porn Affects Women, or you post that stupid “male apology” video, regardless of whether that has anything to do with the topic.

              Your claim to be in favor of discussion is whats disingenous. Every post you write practically screams “Male issues can only be discussed after all women’s issues are delt with.”

            • I’m sorry Paul but where did I say you were whining?

              Did I or did I not agree that men face social issues. That games like Boyfriend Trainer aren’t healthy? That I wouldn’t choose to support such games by playing them? That I thought sitcoms that portrayed men poorly where bad for both men and women? Yes I said all those things. Right here in this article. But you choose to ignore that.

              You’re claim that I’m not for talking about male issues, is disingenous, because I made a ton of comments that I didn’t like the game “Boyfriend Trainer” and I wouldn’t be supporting it. I never denied men faced issues. Further, I’ve talked about more male issues then I’ve seen you ever talk about female.

              This website is a good place to come and talk about male issues Paul. And it’s done all over this website, and there are infact many other websites dedicated to men. But if there is even one article that asks men to look at how they relate to women there are enough naysayers that can’t handle that or the self reflect that goes with it. Certain arcticles that look at how men relate to women doesn’t mean you don’t have a place to talk about male issues. This site is all about talking about male issues.

              When I first came to GMP, I did focus more on the things that I had personal issues with when it came to men because that’s what lead me here in the first place. So those where the artcles I commented on. But I have commented on a number of others that had nothing to do with those topics too. I’ve also read many articles about men’s rights that I didn’t know much on and learned a lot from them. I didn’t choose to comment because I didn’t know enough about them to add something of value but it didn’t mean I didn’t learn or read about issues that extend over the ones I commented on.

              We don’t have to deny there are both negative stereotypes men and women reap in enterainment to help each other. But I don’t think you’re interested in a mutual discussion.

              By the way, I never posted any video on this website, let alone a “male apology” one. Which sounds like those awful vidoes some posters post about the “truth” about women. There is another user on this website that has decided to go by “Erin” too, unfortunetly. If you read that person posts and mine, you’ll see a clear difference in our speech.

              I’m finished making me the main topic of conversation here. Instead of choosing to talk about the topic, you’ve decided to wage a personal attack.

            • FlawInTheSystem says:

              “Oh but that’s right, because admitting that I’m all for talking about man issues negates your victim position. ”

              I am not a victim, I’m stronger than that. But my gender is poorly portrayed, as are women, and those who do not fit the gender binary.

              But you want to talk about women?
              http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/
              http://geekfeminism.org/
              http://restructure.wordpress.com/
              http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/

              Is it wrong to talk about women here? No, of course not, they have it bad too at times, just like men! But must the focus be women? I think not, but your many replies in the post indicate so.

              But in the above websites they expect to discuss women’s issues about women, to quote one of there many comment policies.


              * Accept and understand your privilege
              * Learn to listen
              * Don’t make it about you
              * Adopt a language of respect and equality
              * CALL OTHER MEN ON THEIR CRAP

              So Erin, I propose to you, on this men’s issues website that:
              * Accept and understand your privilege
              * Learn to listen
              * Don’t make it about you
              * Adopt a language of respect and equality
              * CALL OTHER WOMEN ON THEIR CRAP

            • Flaw, it’s really petty to list sites dedicated to women and cross your arms and say “see, see, this is what they talk about so we are only going to talk about *this*”. There are MANY sites dedicated to men that talk only about male issues.
              GMP seems to be a site for men, that has the openness to also breech gender lines. And that’s what men and women really need. Not sites for *just* women where they can have a b*tch fest about things and share no masculine point of view. And vice versa. Because those sites create seperation.

              The focus doesn’t always have to be about women. And it’s not nearly even close to always being about women. I think it’s disengenious to claim that GMP has more of a monopoly in talking about women vs. men when all one has to do is go to the homepage to see that’s not the case. Most articles center around men. When there are articles that center around men AND women, there are out cries and deflections about why they can’t be addressed under the premise of this being a site for men. What better a place to talk about issues men face and issue women deal with too then a site dedicated to men. Don’t you think Flaw? Don’t you think it only makes both men AND women better to discuss gender issues for the other side? And why in the world would even discussing such issues make you feel like something was being taken away from you as a man in the process?

              To me, the model of discussion GMP brings forth breaks the tradition of heavily genderized websites that keep commentary narrowly defined and controlled based on whatever gender dominates the website.

            • FlawInTheSystem says:

              “What better a place to talk about issues men face and issue women deal with too then a site dedicated to men. Don’t you think Flaw?”
              And why not on sites dedicated to women too? Why not try that there AS WELL. But oh look, your derailing again.

          • But have the courage to talk about what happens to women too. Have the honesty to admit degradation happens to women a heck of a lot. And have the heart to care about it just lke you care about how men are depicted.
            Courage? Yeah it takes a lot of courage to feint concern about men then tell us to focus our attention on women instead which is what this post does.

            Courage would have been just simply talking about what happens to women through out the post instead (I think intentionally) pulling a switch like that.

            And for the record I do care about them both. That would be more evident if the writer of this post wasn’t bating like this.

            And I also find it amazing how its seems to be okay to tell people who are showing concern for men that they need to do the same for women but doing it the other way around suddenly becomes whining and “making it all about teh menz”.

      • Peter Houlihan says:

        “Oh okay..well that that makes running over female prostitutes (because there certainly aren’t any male prostitutes in the game) and strippers okay.”

        You keep coming back to that. Running over prostitutes isn’t a specific feature of the game, you can run over *anyone.* Are you saying it’s worse to run over a digital parody of a prostitute than a digital parody of someone on their way to work?

  15. Johnny_B says:

    This article is disingenuous, not to mention somewhat strange. It’s like the author is angry that there are many games where you can mistreat women or whatever, and when a game like this comes out, he’s also angry… because he is reminded of those games where women get mistreated? huh?

    Also, I’ve been playing computer games since the early 1990s. I can’t think of a single example of a mainstream, successful game where the actual object of the game was to hurt or mistreat a woman, or where this was rewarded in any way (with the exception of fighting female enemies, of course). I see that Grand Theft Auto is brought up a lot. Those games (because there’s more than one) take places in fictionalized, satirized versions of New York, Miami or Los Angeles. Yes, in certain parts of the city there are strip clubs, and hookers walking the streets, and you can run them over just as any other pedestrian. The game never asks or encourages you to do this, and there is no reward for it. They’re simply a part of life in the city, just as everything else. Should the game designers have made women invulnerable to damage? As for Duke Nukem, I haven’t played the game in a long time, but the most I seem to remember was that you could give cash to strippers, and that Duke was incensed about aliens ‘stealing our chicks’. Again, where’s the violence against women? Once again, please show me a game where mistreating women is the main focus, and you’ll have a point.

    Because I now know at least two games whose main focus is hurting men.

  16. Honestly, I really would like to know what the author was hoping to get out of framing his article the way he did, because I’m honestly baffled. If he wanted to discuss portrayals of women in video games, as the last few paragraphs suggest, why not just start out with an article like that?

    Seriously, why even bring up this “boyfriend abuse” game if you didn’t want it to be discussed?

    I just don’t get it.

    • I wonder too, Paul.

      I’d take it as far as the site itself. What exactly is its real, intended purpose?

      If the goal is to talk about issues affecting men without making them feel ashamed for it, why do we have writers like Amanda Marcotte and Hugo contributing when they are well known for their biased slant towards Mens Rights Advocates and even male issues? Unless of course it can benefit women primarily, then they change their tune on the spot.

      Why are articles like this allowed to exist? Clearly, if this site is so adament about male issues then endorsing something that tells everyone concerned about games like “The Boyrfriend Trainer” to not talk about it and focus their efforts on fighting only mysogany in videogames doesn’t seem compatible, in my view, with its supposed principles. But I guess this is another example of male issues as unimportant unless they benefit women primarily.

      I don’t get it either.

  17. RickyTicky says:

    I like this quote at the end:

    “When we can address the deep-seated issues that plague and polarize the mainstream gaming community, then we can talk about the threat of AddictingGames.com—and why, suddenly, there are opportunities for anti-male baubles to make a profit.”

    Hypocritical to the end. Believe it or not, seeing wrongful actions ignored elsewhere does not, actually, make you immune to actually addressing wrongful actions sitting right in front of you. I cannot help but think of a five year old’s remarks after throwing a rock at his little brother – “But he *started* it.”. Yeah, because we all know, two wrongs make a right. What a load of crock. Totally pointless and useless article. Period.

  18. WingsOfLiberty says:

    I’m sorry but I was under the assumption that this site was more along the lines of equality and anti-misandry, not petty rubbish and hyper sensitive feminist perspectives. ….. Is The Good Men Project just some front for Jezebel or something?

    ( PS. I’m not hating on anyone, I just wanna know the truth)

  19. How about fighting games with female characters? The Soul Calibur series, in particular, has female characters that visit highly sexual violence on men. Ivy (a dominatrix archetype) can come up behind a guy, wrap a bladed whip around his neck, and step on his back while laughing. Sophitia, Cassandra, and Tali are also known to wrap their legs around a guy’s head during throws.

    Mortal Kombat’s female characters (particularly Sonya Blade and Mileena) are known for having “kiss of death” moves, where a blown or direct kiss can lead to an enemy (majority male) exploding, burning up, or being devoured.

    Morrigan, a succubus, is arguably the main character of the Darkstalkers series of fighting games. While her moves are not particularly sexualized, the premise of the character is that she ensnares men sexually and devours their life force.

    Bayonetta is also pretty well known for having sexualized attacks performed by a female protagonist against male, male-like, and androgynous enemies.

    The Metal Gear Solid series has several instances of (at least subtextually) homoerotic torture. MGS3’s main villain is a highly masculine homosexual sadist who derives great pleasure from hurting people, particularly men. Incidentally, the final boss of that game is female, but the violence between her and the main character is completely nonsexual but quite gendered (as she’s a mother figure).

    God Hand features a pair of cartoonishly gay muscle men who fight the male protagonist.

    The Cho Aniki series features mostly-naked muscle men shooting lasers at one another.

    Oh, and a woman soldier in Bulletstorm threatens to “kill your dick”.

    • How about fighting games with female characters? The Soul Calibur series, in particular, has female characters that visit highly sexual violence on men. Ivy (a dominatrix archetype) can come up behind a guy, wrap a bladed whip around his neck, and step on his back while laughing. Sophitia, Cassandra, and Tali are also known to wrap their legs around a guy’s head during throws.
      You forgot Sohpitia’s groin kick….

      Mortal Kombat’s female characters (particularly Sonya Blade and Mileena) are known for having “kiss of death” moves, where a blown or direct kiss can lead to an enemy (majority male) exploding, burning up, or being devoured.
      ….and if memory serves in the original MK wasn’t Sonya Blade actually immune to Johnny Cage’s Groin Punch?

  20. Peter Houlihan says:

    Storm in a teacup.

    Firstly, similar games exist for men. While they haven’t seen much coverage in the mainstream press (they’re mostly japanese imports you can’t find in a regular store) they have been covered by Kotaku and the like.

    Secondly, the comparison to GTA and Duke Nukem is ridiculous. Both games rely on (satirical) gendered stereotypes. But it’s an absolute falsehood to say that they, or any other mainstream game, glorify violence against women. Violence against women is overwhelminly condemned in mainstream games, especially compared to depictions of violence against men.

  21. This is sure done by a broke gold digging skank who ignoring superiority of masculinity. As everything in world ( not cooking or raising children ) man lead and have to lead anything.

    just a stupid flash game inspired by penis envyness.

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