A Day of #Occupy WallStreet and SlutWalk

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  1. Slutwalk is based on a strawman argument, the police officer didn’t mean what the organisers twisted it to mean. And slutwalk is a rape culture in itself because it protects female rapists of children and men by leading the population to believe that rape is mainly gendered.

    • Transhuman says:

      Rape culture is fueled by women’s fears; it doesn’t matter how safe the streets / night clubs / their own home actually is, fear is an emotion and is not tied to logic. If you have a child, and they are afraid of the monster under the bed, you can console them, even show them the space is empty of monsters and they will be reassured. Usually when a parent does this though, there isn’t a chorus of other adults saying the parent is wrong and there is an invisible monster under the bed that no one can prove is there but *must* be there because these people say it is. There are vested interests who want to keep women afraid, it keeps the rape industry dollars rolling in. When trying to demonstrate to women that rape culture is a fabrication, there are many voices insisting an unproven, invisible monster, really exists.

  2. This is perhaps the most blatant example of a rape rape culture.

    Women’s groups: Cancel law charging women with rape
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=169522

  3. I agree with Ron in the main. As I said in my last piece at GMP- ‘rape culture’ creates the idea of the male monster, rapist

    http://goodmenproject.com/gender-sexuality/rape-culture-and-other-feminist-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-52367

    But I think the recent ‘slutwalk’ that Rachel attended in NYC was more in response to alleged police brutality (rapes of women) and police instructions to women to not wear short skirts in an area where there had been some assaults. They are valid grievances. It’s the premise of the demos I don’t like.

    • They’re not exactly “valid grievances”. This article suggests that the NYPD officers who were acquitted of rape were guilty, though I’m quite sure she wasn’t there when the act in question occurred.

      A police officer suggesting that women shouldn’t wear revealing clothing in suspect areas isn’t condoning rape, and suggesting that he does is abhorrent.

      • MorgainePendragon says:

        “This article suggests that the NYPD officers who were acquitted of rape were guilty”

        They confessed on tape.

        “A police officer suggesting that women shouldn’t wear revealing clothing in suspect areas isn’t condoning rape”

        S/He is blaming the victim for being rape. That’s WORSE.

        Rape culture DOES exist, as anyone who has ever been raped, threatened with rape, or had to fear rape and sexual assault (and sexual harassment and being judged on her/his sexuality and/or sexual availability, etc) knows.

        Denial of rape culture is just MORE rape culture.

  4. You say “… I can’t shake feeling alienated by this clash of the movements, especially considering how egalitarian Occupy is. One of the rules of the people’s mic is that it’s customary to ask: “are there any non male, non white folks that would like to speak first?””

    Personally, I’m not of the mindset that discrimination is egalitarian or progressive. Especially in this instance where, there will always be more people who might wish to speak than there could possibly be time for; being shunted to the back might well result in one not being able to speak at all, as a result of bigotry. Not great.

  5. MorgainePendragon says:

    “Rape culture is 1 in 33 men being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes.

    “Rape culture is 1 in 6 women being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes. Rape culture is not even talking about the reality that many women are sexually assaulted multiple times in their lives. Rape culture is the way in which the constant threat of sexual assault affects women’s daily movements. Rape culture is telling girls and women to be careful about what you wear, how you wear it, how you carry yourself, where you walk, when you walk there, with whom you walk, whom you trust, what you do, where you do it, with whom you do it, what you drink, how much you drink, whether you make eye contact, if you’re alone, if you’re with a stranger, if you’re in a group, if you’re in a group of strangers, if it’s dark, if the area is unfamiliar, if you’re carrying something, how you carry it, what kind of shoes you’re wearing in case you have to run, what kind of purse you carry, what jewelry you wear, what time it is, what street it is, what environment it is, how many people you sleep with, what kind of people you sleep with, who your friends are, to whom you give your number, who’s around when the delivery guy comes, to get an apartment where you can see who’s at the door before they can see you, to check before you open the door to the delivery guy, to own a dog or a dog-sound-making machine, to get a roommate, to take self-defense, to always be alert always pay attention always watch your back always be aware of your surroundings and never let your guard down for a moment lest you be sexually assaulted and if you are and didn’t follow all the rules it’s your fault.

    “Rape culture is victim-blaming. Rape culture is a judge blaming a child for her own rape. Rape culture is a minister blaming his child victims. Rape culture is accusing a child of enjoying being held hostage, raped, and tortured. Rape culture is spending enormous amounts of time finding any reason at all that a victim can be blamed for hir own rape.”
    http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html

    Rape culture is denying the existence of rape culture.

    • Women benefit in this society tremendously while men die at higher and higher numbers of virtually every cause with no governmental help.

      We live in a far more misandric culture than we do a “rape culture”. Though I’m pretty sure you take it as an article of faith that things are always bad for the wimmenz.

    • Morgaine

      You are talking about rape culture, and lead us to Shakesville, a site that protects feminist rapist and erased their child and male victims.

      “Rape culture is 1 in 33 men being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes”
      That figure doesn’t include female on male rape.
      “Rape culture is 1 in 6 women being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes”
      Its the same figure for men, when female on male rape is included.

      Rape culture, is feminists abusing stats. to erase rape victims, protect rapists and working to keep rape when its female on male or child, legal.

      • EDIT

        “You are talking about rape culture, then leads us to Shakesville, a site that protects female rapists and erases their child and male victims.”

      • MorgainePendragon says:

        ““Rape culture is 1 in 33 men being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes”
        That figure doesn’t include female on male rape.
        “Rape culture is 1 in 6 women being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes”
        Its the same figure for men, when female on male rape is included.”

        Please provide peer-reviewed resources to support this (as Melissa does at Shakesville– and btw, it DOES include female on male rape, which accounts for about .005% of rapes).

        • typhonblue_uncensored says:

          Nope, that 1 in 33 figure does not include female-on-male rapes.

          It’s either based on the NVAWS which didn’t count envelopment as a form of rape (about as honest as not counting penetration as a form of rape) or it’s based on Crime Victimization Surveys (which undercount female-on-male victimization significantly.)

          No one has actually done a proper community survey that compares the rate of rape of men to the rate of rape of women, including envelopment and with a methodology that is not known to undercount male victimization significantly.

          * Almost 3% of men reported forced sex and 22% reported verbal coercion in a romantic relationship in the last year. Almost 2.3% of women reported forced sex and 25% reported verbal coercion. [From: Predictors of Sexual Coercion.]( http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID45-PR45.pdf)

          * 95% of sexually abused youth in correctional facilities reported being abused by female staff. [From Sexual Victimization in Juvenile Facilities, 2008-09](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svjfry09.pdf)

          * Among inmates reporting staff sexual misconduct, ~ 65% reported a female aggressor. [From Sexual Victimization in Prisons and Jails Reported by Inmates, 2008-09](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpjri0809.pdf)

          * 50% of homeless youth reported being sexually abused by a female. [From It’s Not What You Think: Sexually Exploited Youth in British Columbia](http://www.nursing.ubc.ca/PDFs/ItsNotWhatYouThink.pdf)

          Where did you get that .005% anyway? Even if we just look at the population of college students, 3% of men are raped in the last year compared to 2.3% of women. So even if we assume that no man is sexually attacked when he’s older then college age, to bring that 57% of all rape victims being male in college down to .005%, college rapes(in total) would have to be something like .01% of all rapes.

          Right. I don’t think so.

    • “Rape culture is denying the existence of rape culture.”

      Oh please, really? That is easily the most absurd argument for the existence of *anything* It’s right up there with people who say “Because you can’t prove god doesn’t exist, it means he does.”

      It’s like people saying to someone else “you’re blind to your own privilege” while being perfectly confident that they are fully aware of their own (non) privilege.

      Seriously, that one sentence completely undermines every other point in the post. It’s idiotic.

  6. That was a very well written article that was sympathetic to the folks at #OccupyWallstreet. What about the businesses that are being inconvenienced and losing income due to these people? Granted they’re able to demonstrate, yada, yada, but they’re also costing these businesses money by using their facilities, causing damage and scaring away tourists. ‘Scary’, not because of their message but because they’re protesting in large numbers in a predominately tourist area. They’re also trespassing.

    “What happens when a cop kills a protester” the person in the piece said. The bias in that statement and your not questioning them in that is alarming. The police are not always the bad ones. In the majority of situations they are the good ones. 100% of the time, no. But, the overwhelming majority of police officers are the good ones, who are one the side of decency. That reminds me of the ‘snitching’ code that is prevalent in urban society. That code does nothing but undermine society as a whole, especially the areas that enforce that through their social mores.

    Anybody in modern society can complain about their situation, especially if they’re unemployed. Put on your big boy pants. Every decision you have made resulted in where you are today. Some decisions are bigger than others, but you are here today because of what you’ve decided.

    .

  7. I do not see the two protests as at all similar beyond being protests. One is based on an a fight with a what amounts to a rhetorical scapegoat, while the other challenges a clear system in the people who ruined the US (and possibly global) economy continue to amass wealth as at the expense of the people crushed by the economic downturn. Granted, the feminists have a much more concrete message and a much better name. However, the Occupy Wall Street crowds (or OWLS)have a much more present problem. It is also more clearly mired in politics.

    I would like to see the OWLS get organized and present a coherent message. I do not want them to become the mirror of the Tea Party, but I would like them to build their message because they can play a role in the coming election.

    • The Tea Party has hardend elected official backing them up. They’ve also moved the electorate to the far right. The best I could see in the “OWLS” is a London style riot that will further Demonize the Left.

  8. One aspect of the Tea Party (that seems to be disguised) is the proximity they are to religious fundamentalism. There exists immediate and visible problems in our society that seem to be potentially solved from the Tea Party platform but the rest of their agenda is disaster for the environment (very pro-oil) and disaster for civil liberties and women’s rights. They are very right-wing and try to appear middle ground by jumping on the ‘less government’ bandwagon.
    A fundamentalist government would be setting us back decades, maybe centuries and could potentially become fascist. The US is ripe for such a political takeover. Right-leaning media coverage that depicts protesting marchers to appear like scary-looking hoards that “need controlling” are helping the Tea Party gain favor. These are difficult times for the healing of very real issues. The right to protest seems to have been the only way to get the message out a hundred years ago. I am questioning the logic of it in the Information Age, as it can be used against you.

  9. As a supporter of both the Slutwalk and Occupy movements, I very much appreciated this article. I think there are similarities between the two movements in that both are protesting for a more egalitarian, socially just society. They are protesting apathy and corruption and the current power imbalance.

    The comments on this article are largely disheartening. There are valid problems in both protest movements, such as the lack of minority representation and the representation of less visible narratives (such as men who have been raped or assaulted by women). In my opinion, the identification of these issues should not be used to condemn the movements, but rather to improve them.

  10. DavidByron says:

    SlutWalk was fake activism by the privileged, much like the Tea Party stuff. That’s why they were not afraid of the police, just as the Tea Party brought guns to Congressional town halls. Hundreds or thousands of Occupiers have been arrested or worse. Did even one participant at SlutWalk?

    Why did it feel like SlutWalk was pinning itself against Occupy? As though one cannot be a feminist and any other sort of activist?

    Feminism is fake activism and it should always fear an example of the real thing arriving to show it up.

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