Dr. Vibe asks two Black American women thought leaders, Aisha K. Staggers and Jill Jones, their thoughts about last week’s American presidential debate.
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As a graduate student at Fisk University, Aisha asked Dr. Raymond Winbush to chair her thesis because 1) he was one of the most renowned voices in black culture and academia, and 2) he was a Prince fan. His scholarship and guidance led Aisha to an early career as a professor of social sciences and later an administrator in higher education.
Aisha has also served as a director of education and policy research centers and on the staff of legislative commissions. She previously served on the Executive Board of the CT Young Democrats’ Women’s Caucus, an avid campaigner, and has remained active in politics and public policy.
Jill Jones is our special guest for this conversation. Ms. Jones is an activist, feminist, former collaborator with Paisley Park.
Last Tuesday, the ladies gave their takes after the first 2020 American Presidential Debate.
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care and it just finished a few moments
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ago i heard the tale
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end of it through aisha’s television and
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i just went
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oh boy so for those who don’t know who
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who they are they are two
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black lady thought leaders in america
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they dropped knowledge bombs usually on
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thursday nights but
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you know they had to be on tonight you
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know
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you know they had to be on tonight it’s
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always a pleasure to welcome my easter
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pace daggers
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and jill jones how are we ladies
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good good i think you you got yourself
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on mute
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no problem and uh the debate as jill
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said before we went live yeah it went
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longer than it
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it was scheduled so longer than it could
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have
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of course well ladies
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people are watching already if you have
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comments put them on we will monitor
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them get up on the screen
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uh who wants to start i will
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i’ll start from the beginning that was a
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hot funky mess
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because chris wallace was just the wrong
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um moderator it was like he couldn’t
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decide if he wanted to be
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fair or be fox it’s like you know decide
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which way you want to go i i i was
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the constant interruption in him not
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calling trump on it
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and not reminding him you said you
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agreed to the two minutes he did that
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like towards the
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end but it’s like you know he wasn’t it
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was kind of like
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he was intimidated by the office of the
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president
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so he didn’t do so he didn’t feel like
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he could be
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firm about the time constraint and about
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the constant
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interruption um so i think that that was
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the very
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first inkling for me that this was gonna
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go
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left okay jill
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i thought that joe was fabulous he he
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he sort of like he maintained my
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expectations of keeping certain facts
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and
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just sticking with you know trying to
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persevere and
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and make his points um you know i think
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we really got to see
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how much of a bully you know trump is
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and and he
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is uh captivating all he cares about is
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landing
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uh seeds he throws seeds out there like
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vomit and whoever gets hit it gets stuck
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on them
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um i thought that cr but as far as like
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the whole thing
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of the the debate itself
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i thought it was a soup sandwich i think
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that chris
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uh wallace really maybe that’s not
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where he excels completely um
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because for some reason he was quite
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enamored at times with
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with trump because i think trump came
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hard tonight as far as like with his
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quips and
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with his very inappropriate and
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unpresidential
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and his lies um but we got to see what
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you know how they reshape how they
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actually how he was trained for the
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for the debate was interesting to see
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how
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they’ve already taught him how to reword
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the
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the part where we spoke about actually
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barack obama created a million jobs
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and trump’s whole thing basically they
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always just reword the statistic or find
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something else to say you know i was the
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first at this
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um and people need to watch stuff like
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that when people are claiming
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those kind of things um but
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i don’t know that i thought that uh
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biden
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did as best he could with him he was
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consistent
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uh he’s never gonna be you know going at
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it although i really wished he would
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have thrown
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uh donald sons under the bus talk about
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drug addiction right
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and talk about people making money i
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think that
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trump we did see i made a note his
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achilles heel
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it’s like that what’s that story where
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somebody said you call me stupid
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i’m stupid what is that from oh
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something about mary or something don’t
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call me stupid
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or i don’t know it’s from one of those
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movies if you say he’s not smart
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and if you laugh at him it really
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rattles him and people should do that
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more to him
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um it really upsets him and i think
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there’s an
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inkling that if you go after his kids
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you’ll start to throw him way off base
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because it’s really true he had he has
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the arsenal
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to go back but it was really nice of of
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biden to go i don’t really want to start
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dragging everybody’s kids because
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there’s plenty of us who
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who can do that right
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one of the things that i think um
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you know like i said tonight you are
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going to see
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who wants to be president versus who
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doesn’t want to go to jail
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and all that fast talking that trump was
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trying to do
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and talking over joe biden it shows you
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he’s a desperate man
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he is very very desperate and he just
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it’s like he can’t stop moving can’t
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stop talking because the moment he stops
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talking
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you will realize and the american people
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will realize
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that he has no plan he has no record
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he has nothing to show for
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anything for the last four years what i
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did like from joe biden was that joe
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biden
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continued to pivot to
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the camera to talk directly to the
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people something that trump never did
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he directed all his ire toward joe biden
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he never spoke to the american people
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and that’s a critical that’s a critical
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point he doesn’t
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that’s why he’s letting us die because
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he doesn’t really
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um associate us with anything but being
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there to serve him
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it was really really quite interesting
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herman cain didn’t come up
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once when they talked about those
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rallies when trump made a statement that
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he hadn’t had any incidents
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yeah i mean really your friend
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or so-called friend died at a rally
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it was really really interesting because
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you’re right aisha he did not come back
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with things about his policy policies
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uh what he was going to do except saying
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that he was going to change something
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and it was pretty tell tale how he
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really feels about us
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it was like well you lost people at h1n1
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and then biden says 14 000 people
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and he goes well it wasn’t as serious at
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our as ours i mean
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even the part about how he closed the
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borders and he
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lied and said he had that he had gotten
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ppe
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we went through three months
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of that i sent people ppe because
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i could get n95 masks and other people
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couldn’t
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yeah other people sent them to me and we
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just had a little
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exchange going so because you didn’t do
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that
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i wouldn’t have been risking my life
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going to post offices and whatnot
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to do this stuff so he has a lot of
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capacity
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to say any of that because his time
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frame i’m sorry i mean
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that was just not on for me because
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we’ve really for real
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people pulled together and
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i think uh he should bow down to every
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single first responder
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and everyone he doesn’t care about
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anybody
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nobody and all he can do is attack him
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about oh you forgot that you’re on
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number two you’re not
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that’s him and yeah maybe that’s you
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know if you guys watch that movie
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that’s out called comey rules that’s on
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show
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time very interesting because i do
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believe that that’s how he throws people
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off and himing and hong and grumbling
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and the faces
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i do that stuff but i’m not a president
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i mean i do that oh really you know
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those are like when i get to that point
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i’m usually like
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kind of like uh losing a situ an
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argument
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so you know i know that my friends have
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told me that that’s how they know i’m
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like
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oh huffing and puffing over in the side
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of the room
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so well just before you go on i should
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like we’ve got
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other people who are on live thank you
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so much for coming on live
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and please whatever platform you’re on
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please type in comments
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this is a community conversation it’s
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not just
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all three of us we appreciate you taking
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the time especially for on the east
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coast
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it’s like close to 11 o’clock at night
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so um
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interesting just a quick thing i i was
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watching on twitter a little bit this
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evening
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and uh there was a lady in canada saying
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is this the best america has to offer
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yeah yeah but it is that i mean it
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isn’t but maybe it is because i mean
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let’s be honest they’re both old and
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you know i don’t know
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yeah she’s a it’s a good question we
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just have to
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persevere i do like that joe is open to
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certain things although
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he wouldn’t commit completely to the
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things that bernie sanders
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had in mind but then again i don’t agree
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with
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everything anybody everybody says either
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i think that
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the main objective is to know that you
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have somebody who’s flexible to work
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with
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and to do business with so i would
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approach this as
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going into business with somebody or
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collaborating
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and i feel that at this point because
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everybody kind of micromanages and we’re
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all so vigilant at this time
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i don’t think the next presidents are
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going to have as much leeway
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or as much not a lot of talk back but we
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are not all going to agree
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with anybody but that’s the unnatural
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thing about trump followers
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it’s unnatural their affection for him
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because they accept everything even when
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he’s trying to cut off
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their you know their in health insurance
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which
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which biden was right about i mean trump
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is like walking into your room and
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cutting off your legs with a chainsaw
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and you’re like it’s okay
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yeah do it i don’t care i know that’s
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all right i know what you mean
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you know if that’s the bad thing and
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that’s one of the things that
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was so you know just completely
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odd to me about this whole thing is that
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trump
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he now has a wreck and he knows he has a
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record it’s not a good one
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and he knows it’s not a good
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good one affected this whole debate as
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if joe biden has been
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the president the last four years like
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when he was asking him
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did you did you make ventilator
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right but what did you we never got
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those ventilators
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by the way we never got them he hoarded
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them
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jared kushner got those and we still
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don’t know
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i know that elon musk made some
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ventilators and
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got those out to people but trump
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hoarded a bunch of them and then i think
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he gave him to russia
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if i’m not mistaken we sent a big care
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package to russia
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of our ventilators but that was also
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like the other question that then chris
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wallace kind of jumped on him
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the same way that trump did and asked
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him the question well
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why haven’t you talked to any of the
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democratic uh
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governors or mayors about the violence
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right i wanted to be like why don’t you
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talk to my ass
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because i didn’t understand chris
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wallace and that’s and that’s when
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that’s when joe biden said i’m not an
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elected official
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and exactly again it was kind of like oh
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you all are forgetting his record you
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can talk about his past record
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but you can’t talk get active you know
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in office the last four years
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because there was once upon a time there
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were rules about you know
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jumping into this is already his
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um trump’s america this is what he’s
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doing
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i’ve never heard i thought chris checked
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out for a minute on that question
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because i’ve never heard anybody
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even assume that a candidate running for
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office
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would take on leadership skills or
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leadership
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uh things that the president at the time
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should be working on that would just be
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like really and then we would have had
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to hear like how bad joe was he was
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meddling
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that was ridiculous so chris needed a
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big slap for that one that was a stupid
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question
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so let’s let’s break it down here let’s
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talk about 45 first
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okay did did he do anything good
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there’s nothing that he did good because
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his like we said yesterday night
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his one role one thing that he had to
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accomplish was
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to tell the american people to defend
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his record one
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and two to tell the american people what
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he was
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going to do in the next four years
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and he did not he did not he defended
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he tried to defend his record but he
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didn’t tell the truth because remember
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what i said yesterday
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if he’s going to defend it he has to be
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honest which is something that he could
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not do
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so he did not tell the truth you know he
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didn’t
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he didn’t make amends with the american
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people to the point that people could
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then
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turn around and say well maybe and then
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he didn’t give a plan for the future he
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didn’t say
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at all at all but but isn’t that
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the party line because when they had
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their convention they didn’t have any
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new party platform
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they don’t have one it’s no
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joe made that claim joe got in some good
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ones where he said
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when trump was saying i didn’t want to
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panic the nation
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and he said no you panicked he said that
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trump panicked and that’s exactly what
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happened
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he also said that the distribution of
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the vaccine
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joe caught the full sentiment of
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american people we’ve even seen trump
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supporters saying that they won’t take
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the vaccine
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although they’re not saying it’s because
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they don’t like trump
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they don’t believe in this virus and you
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know i think joe made some great points
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about the masks
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and the rallies and basically
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you know i don’t know if it was the best
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debate
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but i still would say that joe was the
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winner because he
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came back with the most facts the
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factual information
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and he also had the most programs to
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talk about all
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all after a while you would hear was
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just trump trying to
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trying to have these like you know
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shecky green comments or whatever you
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know it was just kind of like
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old-timey and it was really like it just
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shows you that
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you can’t work with him he’s a bully
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and you do need people that know balance
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and the one beautiful
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comment that joe did make when they kept
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trying to force him to say
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law and order and law and order and he
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goes yeah i want law and order
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with justice where people get treated
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fairly
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trump shut up because there was just a
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lot of that
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going on and then you know chris wallace
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determining it’s open time now you can
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talk whatever you want that was all just
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but you know what tomorrow’s headline
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should be tomorrow’s headline
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if anybody has the gut should be donald
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trump
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would not disavow white supremacists
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he would not that’s very true i would
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not
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do it he would not do it he told this
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the proud boys to stand back
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and stand by right but he
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also and he coded
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it for them too about the schools when
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he was saying
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about the um about the insensitive
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training that uh you know racial
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training
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that was all code word for white people
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they’re trying to change
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uh they’re trying to say we’re a bad
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country we’re racist we’re this
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it was all coded he still wouldn’t get
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you know say
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i don’t want to have anything to do with
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them you know you just have to know
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who he is but i think in the best case
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scenario
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i don’t know how many people can
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actually
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he did that in the last debates in 2016.
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he just talks all over everybody and
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yeah his brain dead followers still
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believe it and find those landing points
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funny
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but that’s just their consciousness you
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know
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it’s just their sad sick consciousness
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he’s still i gotta say this though he’s
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still
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when talking about black americans he’s
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still
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when asked what he’s done for black
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americans the only thing he could say is
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i did the
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his first thing i did the crime bill he
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still
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has to compare black americans to crime
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they go they go hand in hand for him he
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didn’t talk about anything about helping
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black american
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families about helping us um
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helping our kids taking care of this
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our this disproportionate stuff we have
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with kovid or the fact that we are
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disproportionately being killed
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by police officers exactly and joe did
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and i hope that the black people who
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think they want to vote for him
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if you think it’s going to get better he
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basically has the police endorsement for
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this
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at least we know that joe biden is
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planning to
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on some level even just from the people
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who he puts in his cabinet we have no
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idea
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they could be all kinds of people and
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working with the party
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but all donald trump ever does in an
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argument
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is try to divide somebody he doesn’t try
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to listen
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he doesn’t try to answer properly he
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doesn’t do that so
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after a while i’ve got to be honest i
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just
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started like doing things and got a
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little busy every time he went on one
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it was just not um yeah he sees black
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people through the eyes of the law
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as yeah and and he does and it’s really
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really tragic
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um he will not do if he gets in you will
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see
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more of the same of what we’ve been
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seeing in the streets and probably more
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becomes like a slave master that’s what
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he said
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when he when he starts doing that it’s
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like did he want
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brianna taylor tonight did he say her
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name again did he
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no chris wallace asked um joe biden
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specifically about brian because i heard
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brianna a lot from joe but i don’t
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recall
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even he never utters their names he
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never says george floyd’s name
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and he never says brianna taylor ever
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it’s like they don’t exist
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he talked about somebody who got shot on
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the ground
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he was you know he was talking about
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mind you he’s talking about a boy
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no he’s talking about the right winger
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that got shot yes
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yes he didn’t talk about the the right
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wing
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guy the kid who shot um
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three people in two dots right did not
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talk about that
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that all his that all his um supporters
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have raised like
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five hundred thousand dollars for right
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just like they did for dylan roof
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back in exactly
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so this that should tell you right then
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and there
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that he’s a racist just like joe biden
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called him out
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and i was very happy that joe biden did
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that right
20:32
all right so did did did 45 do anything
20:35
good
20:37
no no well i mean the promises again
20:41
of first of all if you’re running for a
20:44
second time
20:45
you need to be able to tell me what you
20:47
accomplished as opposed to
20:49
things that don’t exist he speaks about
20:51
putting all these jobs in place
20:54
but they don’t exist we’re talking about
20:56
now and now
20:57
is the time we’re in such a crucial you
21:00
know thing we don’t need the freaking
21:02
crucible anymore
21:03
we don’t need that we need a way to get
21:06
out of this
21:07
and to find the best solution and the
21:09
people
21:10
who normally can pull us out and i’ve
21:12
got to say
21:13
through every catastrophe that america
21:15
has had
21:17
through the every time a republican’s
21:19
been in and we’ve always had a
21:21
catastrophe particularly
21:24
it’s unfortunate but the the democrats
21:26
always have to come in and clean
21:28
them up that’s how it always goes and
21:30
they’re the only ones who could get
21:32
something back on track and then the
21:33
republicans come around and pretend that
21:35
they
21:36
get credit for it but it has to stop
21:38
because
21:39
we he still doesn’t have a plan for
21:41
coven he’s still talking about a vaccine
21:43
that realistically
21:44
joe gave actual factual things and he
21:48
wasn’t even saying that it would still
21:49
be ready in the middle of next year
21:52
he um that’s that’s really very brave
21:55
to say that considering trump is just
21:58
promising you the world he promised us
22:00
lower prescriptions
22:01
back in uh 2016. um and that
22:05
insulin that he’s getting so cheap for
22:07
water where
22:09
who get who you giving it to because i
22:11
had a few friends who
22:12
really would would like to have that but
22:15
my mother would
22:16
have it and they’re paying 400 a pop for
22:20
this the crappy ones that their doctors
22:22
don’t even want them to have
22:24
he wants to make it where where wait
22:26
this is very interesting
22:27
so the party that didn’t want
22:30
globalization
22:31
is now going to start buying their
22:33
prescriptions from europe
22:35
uh that was one thing he said and then
22:38
the other weird thing was which my
22:39
husband was like
22:40
what he just wants my husband wants to
22:43
know where are these forest
22:45
cities in europe that trump is speaking
22:47
about during climate change
22:49
he said where are they and he’s from
22:51
germany um
22:52
wow it’s like been a long time as we
22:55
know trump and his family got kicked out
22:56
of bavaria
22:57
and they don’t know a damn thing about a
22:59
forest i bet the closest he’s gotten
23:02
is to have what um chocolate forest cake
23:05
that’s about as much forest he knows
23:09
you know what and you know the barber
23:12
trump was set
23:13
so low it was like floor level okay and
23:15
he
23:16
couldn’t step over the bar yeah he still
23:19
missed the bar
23:20
so when we leave 45
23:23
rating tonight from 1 to 10 how did he
23:26
do
23:28
did he even rate ouch
23:32
i mean it was it was this it was the
23:35
same
23:36
as his twitter feed
23:39
yeah i don’t i don’t know if that was
23:45
if anything i hope it’s behooves every
23:47
young person
23:48
and person who didn’t want to vote to go
23:50
out and vote
23:51
because this is what we’re facing and if
23:54
you don’t like
23:55
the candidates that are up there
23:58
and you didn’t participate in trying to
24:01
vote in
24:02
primaries or whatever you can only blame
24:05
yourselves
24:06
because but you can’t sit back and not
24:09
do a thing about this
24:11
this is something where you we all have
24:12
to man up and accept it
24:14
and stay vigilant and involved in policy
24:17
and legislation particularly locally
24:20
i hope everybody got out tonight and
24:22
started reading who
24:23
is in their district what senators what
24:25
congress people
24:26
it’s incredibly important so i want to
24:29
shift
24:30
from 45 to joe biden tonight
24:33
what did joe biden and i know you’ve
24:35
shared some things you thought he did
24:36
well but
24:37
if you have to go over them but what
24:39
other things did joe biden do
24:40
good in your opinions tonight he kept
24:44
his temper
24:46
that’s the number one thing because he
24:49
he did have to tell trump to shut up
24:52
that did say
24:53
shut up he said man shut up that was
24:56
my favorite part and um
24:59
and he called him a clown i mean i
25:02
apologize because he doesn’t like to get
25:04
yeah yeah and he apologized
25:08
which shows you he’s a bigger person but
25:09
the i mean
25:11
he kept his temper that was
25:14
because i could i can just imagine
25:18
being there i was getting infuriated for
25:21
him
25:22
um and so that was the number one thing
25:25
he kept his temper
25:27
then he also i mean he had
25:30
policy positions he knew numbers he knew
25:33
facts
25:34
trump on the other hand his campaign
25:37
should have told him
25:38
know your tax number
25:41
that you paid if you’re gonna say you
25:42
paid x number millions in taxes
25:44
know the actual number because this is
25:46
gonna be a question that comes up
25:49
and sure enough it did but joe biden
25:52
he knew he knew everything you could
25:55
tell that he was
25:56
well prepped and he was he was well
25:58
prepped
25:59
and someone there told him one of the
26:02
things that they
26:03
that he was good at was knowing
26:07
certain things that would get to trump
26:10
so
26:10
one of the things that trump doesn’t
26:12
like is being laughed at
26:14
at all which i thought that was great
26:16
not alive for him yeah
26:17
i thought was good joe biden would just
26:20
shake his head and start laughing
26:26
jill what did joe biden do good in your
26:28
opinion tonight
26:29
well i think he really proved to us
26:31
through his 47-year career or
26:34
however it works i think that politics
26:37
on a whole
26:39
it’s not something so concise or
26:41
measurable
26:42
what you did this party you’re with it’s
26:44
not really measurable about
26:46
everything you’ve done throughout the
26:48
years because everything is its own
26:50
zeitgeist
26:51
everything has its own era of a
26:53
zeitgeist of what becomes important
26:55
to each generation so i really wish that
26:58
everyone would
26:59
kind of put that together for what you
27:02
know it’s like it’s not all
27:03
you can’t just string it all together
27:05
because we were different
27:07
40 years ago and whatever however trump
27:10
is a fine one to talk because he wants
27:12
to take us back 47 years
27:14
so the contradictions that this man uses
27:18
are incredible and i do like the fact
27:21
that as elderly as
27:22
both of them are we have one on the
27:24
other side who has
27:26
uh evolved transformed changed
27:30
as we all should as people as we get
27:33
older if i’m the same
27:35
in my 80s as i was in my 20s there’s
27:38
something wrong with me
27:39
there’s something wrong with that it’s
27:41
it’s that
27:43
we have a chance to it’s we all have
27:47
free will
27:48
but we also determine what will
27:51
we want to have and what choices we want
27:53
to make after we decide who we want to
27:56
be
27:57
it’s not something innate we know that
28:00
trump was not given obviously had some
28:04
horrible
28:04
upbringing and they really and it’s
28:07
clearly not going to pass generationally
28:09
because he’s in more amoral he’s immoral
28:13
and so for me joe looks like the person
28:16
who
28:16
i feel at this point in time can consult
28:20
with heads of state foreign ministers
28:22
um he can be in general assembly
28:25
meetings he can talk about climate
28:27
change
28:27
he can if not he will have those people
28:31
who will are experienced in those
28:34
efforts
28:35
you know uh regarding how to interact
28:38
with people through cultural and
28:40
religious
28:41
and all of the things that are required
28:44
when you go into public office at this
28:46
level
28:47
this is a this uh reduces this
28:51
down and even the officials that some
28:52
people are electing like these q
28:54
people and whatever it’s great but they
28:57
really lack
28:58
the cultural and the some of the
29:01
intelligence
29:02
and understanding that these all
29:04
politicians really are
29:06
are social workers they are the social
29:09
workers of the world they’re supposed to
29:11
be
29:11
it’s supposed to be a world of diplomacy
29:14
and
29:15
and a wheel of diplomacy so we need to
29:18
raise the bar a little bit
29:20
and maybe we can reshape the outcome
29:22
because the collective consciousness
29:23
on this is we need people who can hold
29:27
those conversations and find those
29:29
people
29:30
and put them in the right place delegate
29:33
the jobs
29:34
trump wants his hand in everything and
29:36
all he’s done
29:37
is destroy every single agency
29:40
he wants to talk about climate change
29:42
and not believing in scientists
29:44
yet he’s the one who did all the
29:46
regulations in the
29:48
on the epa he’s the one who who stripped
29:50
this land of everything
29:51
for that man to sit up there blatantly
29:54
and i have asthma
29:55
to tell me that the carbon levels are
29:57
better uh he can go to hell
30:00
i’m not stupid i mean i have we have
30:03
technology
30:04
we have things that give us indicators
30:06
throughout the years now
30:08
so the fact that he i mean i don’t know
30:10
who he’s talking to anymore
30:11
clearly people who are not that
30:15
intelligent
30:16
okay so so let me ask getting back to uh
30:19
joe biden
30:19
anything additional that he did
30:23
well tonight i actually i want to bring
30:24
up a point now i know
30:26
for a number of americans being
30:28
presidential is not an important thing
30:30
but i think
30:31
a country like the united states and i
30:32
live in canada
30:34
don’t americans want someone who’s
30:37
presidential
30:38
and if they do who looked more
30:40
presidential tonight
30:42
well we always have wanted someone to be
30:44
presidential
30:45
it’s just that it it was the same way
30:48
with trump the republicans
30:49
thought once he got into office he would
30:53
grow into being presidential it was that
30:55
he never
30:56
he never did and they couldn’t force him
30:59
to they didn’t they didn’t
31:00
have the control over him that they
31:02
thought they would so yeah i think that
31:04
americans
31:04
do do want this return to the
31:07
traditional
31:08
presidential kind of statesman um in
31:12
office again
31:13
and i think that joe joe showed that you
31:15
could see it in his temperament
31:17
you could see it in his knowledge of um
31:20
policy
31:21
even even when he talked about foreign
31:23
policy they didn’t even bring up foreign
31:25
policy but joe went there
31:27
and trump did not touch it because trump
31:30
knows
31:30
nothing trump knows nothing about
31:33
foreign policy
31:34
and so i think that you know
31:38
joe showed that he has the chops to do
31:41
the job
31:43
i love the fact that he brought up
31:46
things like
31:49
what we as americans are going through i
31:51
mean
31:53
we don’t have any money there’s a lot of
31:55
people
31:56
who probably couldn’t even afford to
31:58
watch this if they couldn’t pay their
32:00
cable bill let alone their rent
32:02
it’s so interesting that
32:06
i like that joe put it into perspective
32:08
if you are sitting here
32:10
or wake up in the morning and the person
32:11
you knew is not across the table from
32:14
you
32:15
i don’t think that that was just
32:17
touching a nerve or trying a heart
32:19
string
32:20
we need more heart strings we need to
32:22
know that there are people
32:24
who maybe their lives are turned upside
32:28
down because the breadwinner of the
32:29
family died from covid
32:31
or something else happened and we need
32:34
to generate some kind of empathy back
32:36
into the american people
32:38
because donald trump is a reflection of
32:41
the collective
32:42
consciousness of america so when you say
32:45
do they want someone more dignified and
32:47
stately
32:48
i’m not a hundred percent sure about
32:50
that but i do
32:51
know that the people who are the most
32:54
powerful in a situation like this
32:57
are the ones who have the universe
33:01
behind them
33:01
have good good always will win it just
33:05
takes a while the patience
33:06
and if we we’ve tried to you know
33:09
refocus people on
33:10
on black lives matter we need this
33:12
movement
33:13
we need a movement period to address the
33:16
killings and the shootings
33:17
and for trump to keep going well you did
33:20
this
33:21
when this happened let’s be honest he
33:23
wasn’t the only one to have a crime bill
33:25
obama had a crime bill as well from not
33:28
mistaken
33:29
first things the crime bill was
33:31
interrupted by
33:33
the republicans and what they wouldn’t
33:35
allow to go through
33:36
secondly there was the uh
33:40
affordable care act all of the things
33:42
that they’re talking about the mandates
33:44
and all of that
33:45
those were in there because of
33:46
republicans caveats
33:48
in those special states that was a
33:51
republican deal
33:52
those were not supposed to be in there
33:53
before the mandate
33:55
at all but the republicans the way they
33:58
started to structure it
33:59
uh they basically set up to sabotage the
34:02
whole program
34:03
they couldn’t ever get a health care
34:06
system before
34:08
and i don’t believe they’ll be able to
34:10
do it again
34:11
they will we will never if they destroy
34:14
the affordable care act
34:15
we won’t have it i know that joe
34:17
understands it they’ve worked on it
34:19
night and day
34:20
and even to improve what happens because
34:23
we have evolved
34:25
so i love the fact that he
34:28
is trying to really address some of
34:31
our needs and it is about us i don’t
34:34
need to hear about old slew foot trump
34:36
over there
34:37
you know doing rhonda john gumby some
34:39
gumby moves with that bum leg of his
34:41
i don’t need to hear about it i don’t
34:44
want to know anymore i want to know
34:45
about
34:46
me what have you done for me lately
34:49
because
34:50
i am not able to go out and sing
34:53
and do shows and perform or do any of
34:56
that
34:57
because this ass and it looks like i
34:59
won’t be for a very long and many people
35:01
won’t be
35:02
because he failed musicians he failed us
35:06
incredibly so i mean you got people
35:08
going on one and only
35:10
and getting patreon accounts so that
35:13
their fans can help support them
35:15
how much can we support
35:19
i give to gofundmes i give to things i
35:21
mean with this president
35:23
in i give the little bit that i can
35:26
but he doesn’t recognize us he doesn’t
35:28
know the american people’s struggles
35:30
and i sure the hell don’t care about his
35:33
okay
35:34
so as we begin to start winding it down
35:36
here if you are
35:38
in 45s cam actually you know what
35:41
uh you know what let’s talk about then
35:44
how is this going to affect next week’s
35:48
vice presidential debate oh
35:52
oh tom was going to play that’s all i
35:55
got yeah
35:57
he’s yeah um
36:00
uh mike pence is going mike pence has a
36:03
whole different temperament
36:05
um than trump he’s going to go in there
36:07
thinking that he can be like
36:09
trump and kamala has a different
36:12
temperament than joe
36:14
um she’s got black auntie vibes so she’s
36:17
not
36:17
having any of his via right
36:21
i like that black auntie vibes
36:25
that’s that’s a tweetable right there it
36:28
is
36:29
tweetable right there jill why do you
36:31
how
36:32
is this if at all gonna affect next
36:34
week’s vp debate in your opinion
36:36
i don’t think it will affect that at all
36:39
i think that
36:40
it’s just uh i think
36:44
that she will hold her own of course
36:46
with pence
36:48
um but pence is a shadow character
36:52
i don’t even know anything about him and
36:55
yeah no i don’t i just
36:59
i think we will discover more about
37:01
their policies perhaps and many more
37:03
things they wish to do
37:04
because pence doesn’t get to do
37:08
anything until they put that barker
37:10
voice in his voice like for the dogs
37:13
because they don’t have he doesn’t
37:14
always have it in and then they have to
37:15
and they’ll just go woof woof
37:18
and you don’t understand anything he’s
37:19
saying and um
37:22
tofu he has no flavor until you add
37:25
stuff to it
37:26
he he actually just is a very he comes
37:29
across incredibly weak
37:31
you know i think that men will have a
37:33
problem his base
37:34
of men they don’t like women the incel
37:36
group
37:37
um they don’t appreciate women but i’m
37:40
i’m excited and i really want to get
37:42
that t-shirt that has the comma and the
37:44
law
37:45
yeah me too okay so
37:49
next debate what does 45 need to do
37:54
talk yeah talk policy though talk
37:58
facts i don’t think i think he lies so
38:00
much
38:01
that and i actually don’t see the point
38:03
in some of the fact checkers
38:05
i wish i wish the person asking the
38:08
questions
38:09
was a fact checker i wish it was caught
38:13
right then and there
38:14
other than like no no i know chris
38:16
wallace tried to do a few of those
38:18
things
38:18
but i don’t think it’s um i think a big
38:21
red note should come up
38:23
and just should uh maybe maybe something
38:26
fantastic like a bucket of water should
38:29
fall on you when you tell a lie
38:31
or a big old buzz or a big like the gong
38:34
show
38:35
remember that’s not true
38:42
yeah exactly yes sandman bring sandman
38:46
out
38:47
okay aisha anything you want to add what
38:49
does 45 need to do
38:51
in your opinion for the next one like i
38:53
said he just needs to be
38:55
quiet be silent he needs to listen more
39:00
and he needs to only focus on what
39:03
he will do and just
39:07
stick to those things and he you know
39:11
will be tolerable not saying he’ll do
39:14
great i’m just saying he’ll be tolerable
39:16
okay so nicole yes there are two more
39:20
presidential debates and next wednesday
39:23
on october 7th i believe i have the
39:25
correct date
39:26
there is the only vice presidential
39:28
debate so there’s two more
39:30
presidential one vice presidential let’s
39:33
flip it on to what does joe biden need
39:35
to do
39:36
next time out if anything
39:40
joe i need to just stay the course keep
39:43
telling people
39:44
the truth keep telling people what he’s
39:46
going to do keep telling people he cares
39:48
about them
39:49
he cares about their families letting
39:51
them know that he’s the president
39:53
who’s going to care about what people
39:56
need
39:57
and what’s going on in people’s lives
39:59
because right now that’s the one thing
40:01
that americans feel this president
40:05
does not do that he doesn’t care that
40:08
he’s not
40:09
invested jill
40:12
i think the bernie people are still
40:14
going to be a problem
40:15
because a few of them already i see are
40:18
upset that
40:19
he said he beat bernie sanders they’re
40:21
getting a little petty
40:23
and they need to i think that it because
40:26
any type of you know you can only be a
40:29
unified front
40:30
when you stand together i played red
40:33
rover i talked about this
40:34
many times when i was a kid the weakest
40:36
link got people through all the time
40:38
we have to be solid as red rover and
40:41
take care
40:42
keep our family business inside and deal
40:45
with that later
40:46
and start trying to politically because
40:49
whining on twitter
40:50
and whining everywhere else and creating
40:52
doubt in other people’s mind is the
40:54
wrong way to go
40:55
i think that joe has to be able to
40:59
be very clear about some of those
41:01
policies like the new green deal
41:03
and different things like that he
41:05
doesn’t agree with
41:07
bernie on but i know what he’s trying to
41:09
do as far as like
41:11
kind of stay the course a little bit as
41:13
far as
41:15
maybe being a little bit non-committal
41:17
100 percent
41:18
but those ideas can evolve over time
41:21
we’ve already seen where the
41:22
cons where the uh people believe that
41:25
minnesota was going to
41:26
re uh do something with their police and
41:30
um defund them and that all they all
41:33
everybody went back on that so the whole
41:35
thing is
41:36
they uh we have to make sure there are
41:40
sound bites from next next uh debates
41:43
because trump’s sound bites are going to
41:45
be hunter 3.5 million dollars um
41:48
all these other things i wish that joe
41:50
would just keep on with the facts as
41:52
much as he can
41:54
and um i don’t know who’s the next
41:56
moderator guys
41:58
not not sure but there is a question
42:00
nicole asked do you think that the biden
42:02
camp will say yes to continue the
42:04
debates
42:04
is what she meant so i this is one of
42:07
the things i thought
42:08
from the beginning if you’re they
42:09
already agreed they already agreed to
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yeah they already agreed to it but if i
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was in the joe biden camp
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i would have said you know i don’t want
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to debate him
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yeah because i was reading there was an
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article i put on my website today about
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the
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new york times and the columnist said
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that 45 had more to gain from this
42:28
debate
42:29
than joe biden if i was to biden i’d
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probably say i wouldn’t want it i don’t
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want to debate him either first of all
42:35
the way that trump set up the debate
42:37
trump had all his people
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on tv and on social media all day
42:41
spewing
42:42
out lies like oh he doesn’t want to
42:45
agree to a drug test
42:46
oh he doesn’t want to agree to have his
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ears checked
42:50
for suspicious you know earbuds or
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anything like that
42:54
and then um trump’s campaign
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was like three hours before the debate
43:01
sent out a letter a fundraising letter
43:03
to his supporters saying that trump
43:06
won the debate after tonight’s debate
43:07
since we won tonight’s debate
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the debate hadn’t even happened yet i
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know i’m getting those things
43:13
in one of my one of my emails and i
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didn’t really understand
43:16
why i i do feel that joe biden
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probably we can look at it two ways we
43:23
can look at it at that
43:24
it maybe 45 does have a lot to gain and
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if he
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if his people think and they’re that
43:30
secure
43:31
maybe some of them won’t even bother
43:32
with the hecticness and craziness that’s
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actually going to happen at the polls
43:37
so let them think he’s going to win he’s
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not going to win
43:41
he can’t he physically won’t get through
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the month of october
43:45
i just don’t feel that he will and
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that’s why he was so stuck
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on the um voter fraud tonight
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and in the throne yeah you know the
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throwing out of the ballot
43:56
and complaining about the three ballots
43:59
that he said
44:00
thrown out with his name he he went back
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to can you explain what that is because
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for me
44:04
it just seemed like gibberish and it’s
44:06
it’s like he became completely
44:08
hysterical so i don’t
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i’m like what is that well apparently
44:15
it was reported that somebody like in
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west virginia or something
44:20
found some military ballot um that
44:23
first trump reported it trump’s people
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or whatever
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reported that there were nine then there
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were seven
44:30
now trump was saying tonight that it was
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three um
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ballots that were thrown out that said
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trump on them
44:38
now but we know it’s trump’s
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administration why would anybody believe
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that he didn’t
44:43
plan they didn’t have people plant that
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stuff
44:48
the fbi is who supposedly investigated
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it
44:52
trump’s fbi but did he not
44:55
when he came into power have this voters
44:57
commission that mr
44:59
pence was a head off head of that
45:01
commission and they just
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and they disbanded that commission
45:04
because they only found
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two instruments right a voter fraud
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and of those two instances of voter
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fraud they were on the
45:13
republican side so he’s running this
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story again
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yeah okay so before we finish off
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we always have to say
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our question oh
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it’s gonna be if it was tonight if the
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election was out
45:35
tomorrow who would it be biden
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it would be biden it would be biden
45:42
enough
45:43
i’ll say because nothing in addition to
45:46
what we saw tonight
45:47
you got to remember there’s a million
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people who already voted
45:52
already cast their ballot and so early
45:55
early voting
45:56
always helps democrats that’s why they
45:59
want to stop
46:00
it well we’re going to end it off here
46:02
uh we call this our late night
46:04
edition well not late night on the west
46:06
coast on the left coast but on the east
46:08
coast it’s our late night edition but
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uh folks we’re going to be doing this uh
46:12
for the other debates
46:14
the vice presidential one and the
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remaining presidential ones so
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as soon as they finish give or take five
46:20
minutes we’ll all be coming on
46:22
and the ladies will be giving their
46:24
takes so as always i’d like to thank
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both of them for coming on and spending
46:29
some time and i
46:30
i was looking forward to this and you
46:32
did not disappoint as usual
46:34
so jill if people want to get in touch
46:36
with you how can they do that
46:37
jill d jones at twitter or jill jones
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universe at facebook and i promise
46:43
next time i am going to cut out the
46:45
profanity because i’m making a
46:47
little list of things i’m trying to slow
46:49
down on so i promise
46:53
you know what joe we love you just the
46:55
way you are i’m like a sailor
46:57
it’s terrible that’s okay i aisha how
47:00
can people get in touch with you
47:03
um i used to staggers on twitter and
47:05
i’ll probably be on there
47:07
tonight watching some of the other
47:09
reactions
47:10
to the debate something tells me that
47:13
both of you may have a busy twitter day
47:15
tomorrow
47:16
just just i think so i have a feeling
47:20
you may have a little bit of a busy day
47:22
on twitter tomorrow let me just say that
47:25
uh
47:26
uh look at here’s a comment here
47:31
right exactly exactly
47:36
because dr vibe it’s so important that
47:38
people know
47:39
we have a lot of new 21st century
47:43
challenges
47:44
that it’s going to be difficult and uh
47:48
trump’s not the one he couldn’t pass
47:49
these four years
47:51
why would you want to give him another
47:52
chance all right
47:54
well that’s the last thing we’re going
47:56
to hear from the ladies tonight but
47:58
but they will be back on thursday
48:01
evening
48:01
at 7 pm eastern time 4 p.m pacific
48:05
for other stuff there’s a whole bunch of
48:07
other stuff going on
48:08
i definitely want them on thursday
48:12
to talk about the more and more
48:14
information coming up about the brianna
48:16
taylor case
48:18
it’s get it’s getting very and and just
48:21
for people
48:22
if they did not hear today one of the
48:24
jurors has asked
48:26
for all the information that was
48:28
submitted
48:29
to be revealed to the public tomorrow
48:32
yeah
48:33
tomorrow so get ready they’ll be back
48:37
on thursday uh and again thanks very
48:40
much ladies for taking the time i know
48:41
sure it was always a pleasure it is dr
48:45
vibe here host and producer of the
48:46
award-winning doctor vibe show the home
48:48
of epic conversations i’m the host
48:50
of epic conversations 2018
48:54
award winner in the innovation category
48:55
given out by the canaan ethnic
48:57
media association and i’d like to say
49:00
thank you for everyone who came on live
49:01
or on replay tonight
49:03
or who’s going to watch us on the replay
49:05
sorry my mistake
49:06
especially like to thank nicole from
49:08
toronto thanks for your support as
49:10
always
49:10
it’s appreciated and not taken for
49:12
granted as always i’d like to end off my
49:14
conversations like this
49:16
live your life as a dream if you can
49:18
dream it you can make it sometimes you
49:20
have to get
49:21
smaller to get stronger block
49:22
assumptions and aim bigger
49:24
and better aim higher on aim wider and
49:27
remember you’re blessed and highly
49:28
favored
49:29
imagined for miracles and the solution
49:30
for someone’s problem thanks for
49:32
stopping
49:33
in get some rest because they got more
49:35
coming up on thursday good night
49:42
everybody
49:44
you
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