Alyssa Royse wonders if identifying Douchebags as a species of men might let most men off the hook.
From as early an age as when “stupid pee face” would have seemed like a reasonable thing to say, I have been taught not to call people names. It is so ingrained in my being that as an adult, the only name I will call someone in derision is “poo-head,” which I say precisely because it is so juvenile and ridiculous. I have absolutely taught my children that we do not all other people names. We just don’t. It isn’t kind. It isn’t useful. We don’t do it.
Which is why I am going to eat a lot of crow as I now wonder out loud – or in print – if there might actually be a good reason to call a guy a “douchebag.” Or a “tool.” Or….
Hang with me here….
I am a lover of men, in every way that one can love men. Though I am not a man, I bristle when I hear things like “men just want to use women for sex.” Or “men only love a woman while they’re young.” Or, “men like women to be weaker than them.” Or, really, any sentence that starts with “men are…..”
For that matter, any idea that begins with the assumption that “men are,” by virtue of being men, all the same in any real way.
Here’s what men are: wildly diverse. Here’s what else men are: human. So, I guess men are wildly diverse humans. Beyond that, you really can’t classify all men by any one set of characteristics or behaviors.
Unless you adopt a biological classification system, of sorts.
When you look at it that way, “douchebag” might actually serve a purpose. I mean, you can kind of identify the physical traits and behavioral patterns of a guy that might commonly be referred to as a “douchebag” by a generally agreed upon set of standards. Right? Let’s just say “The Situation,” and leave it there for a moment.
What if “douche,” and “douchebag” and “douchenozzle” and all douche-derivatives were classified as a subset of men? Then, we could attribute certain obvious social sins to “douchebags” and avoid blaming all men for the problem that only a subset of men are guilty of.
This is the first good use of a douche.
Backing up a bit, let me justify my love of “douche” as a descriptor. Douches, the kind you buy in a pharmacy, are bad for women. They are not something that women need, at all. More often than not, they are harmful to women, and used out of insecurity rather than an understanding of who a woman is, how her body works, what she needs and acceptance of herself. All the same can be said of the men who are commonly called “douches.” Calling a man a douche is not an insult to women, it is a direct comparison to a product that has a negative impact on women’s lives, that is overly packaged and based on a set of ridiculous societal ideals that have nothing to do with reality.
So, douchebags, the kind that walk amongst us, are they indicative of all men? Or are they not a subset, with unique characteristics that we can generally identify with simple observation?
Are all men douchebags?
Nope. I think it’s a good deal more accurate to say “douchebags will” than “men will…” And it lets most men off the hook, so they’re not taking the fall for a subset of men.
Now, are all douchebags bad? Not necessarily. But we’ll get to that in a minute.
What about a “dudebro,” often called “bro” for short? Is that a subset of douche? Can we make a workable taxonomy out of this?
- Family: Human
- Genus: Male
- Species: Douchebag / Douchenozzle / Douche. Dudebro / Bro
Can we further narrow it down by specific behaviors? You know how crocodiles and alligators pretty much look the same to the untrained eye? So too do all douches, but they’re not all the same. Some are predatory and bad news. Some, really, are just following along to blend in and will eventually turn into something else, when they grow up.
Wait, that makes them like a caterpillar.
This is hard. But I still think we’re on to something. Let’s call this a brainstorming session.
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Beyond the flippancy and humor of these suggestions there is a very serious underlying idea: We need to judge people based on their own behavior, not their gender. It is as wildly unfair to say “men are controlling” as it is to say “women are weak.” Either statement is suggesting that by virtue of one’s sex or gender, or both, their personality has been decided. Further, that they are somehow not responsible for their own behavior, because, you know, gender.
Even worse, they are responsible for the behavior of other people. Their whole gender, for that matter.
Nonsense. Regardless of genitals, chromosomes or identity, we all choose how we behave towards others, and we should be acknowledged as such. For better or worse.
I know that when I hear men say “women just want a rich guy who will buy them things,” I bristle. I am not like that, I am the opposite of that. I do not want people to assume that because of my sex or gender I am like that. It’s not too much to ask that we look at how people behave, and judge them thusly.
And, since I know it’s going to come up, yes, you could also classify women in the same ways. Some women are gold-diggers, you bet. So are some men, for that matter. Call it what it is.
It’s not the gender that’s bad. It’s the behavior. And sometimes the behavior is identifiable with a cluster of co-contaminant behaviors, which makes it easy to spot. Like the leaves on poison ivy, or the markings on a Black Widow.
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If this gender war is ever going to end – and I hope, on all that I hold dear, it does – part of the process is going to be agreeing that we do not hold an entire gender responsible for the behavior of some people. It is going to involve all of us – regardless of our gender – calling out bad behavior when we see it, and blaming the people who do it, not their gender.
We can give the behavior a name. We can even characterize the people who routinely do it, I think. I’m okay with saying Gold Diggers suck. They do. I’m okay with saying douchebag dudes suck. They do. But I’m not okay with holding anyone else responsible for the behavior of an individual.
If we’re going to call people names, and classify them, it should absolutely be about their behavior.
After all, what makes a man “good” isn’t anything other than how he behaves. The rest is just wrapping.
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So what’s off-limits? Most things, actually. I’m still telling my kids that it’s not okay to call people names. Unless doing so communicates a useful and accurate bit of information that will aid in making a decision about your behavior.
As in: Don’t date douchebags.
But it is still never okay to make fun of people’s race, face, gender, body, religion or anything over which they have no control. It is never okay to call someone “gay,” as an insult suggesting they are weak or weird, which is obviously insulting gay people. Likewise, calling someone a “pussy” is wildly off-limits for reasons that I hope, as one with a pussy, is abundantly clear to all but the douchebags amongst us.
I’m probably going to stick with “poo-head.” Because it’s not a real thing, and it seems fairly obvious that most of us would not want anything to do with someone who’s head is made of poo.



TL;DR: They, they, they, they, them, they, them, them, them, they, they.
What about a defective condom. It might appear to be a good thing, but puts you at risk and isn’t worth the reduction in pleasure.
“If this gender war is ever joint to end-and I hope with all I hold dear, it does”
Uh, I believe it was the Feminist, calling men ‘Male Chauvanist Pigs’ back in the late 60’s& early 70’s that kind of started it (I really didn’t appreciate that)
What about banshee? Does that sound too evil?
Well, personally I’m for retaining the terms “dudebro” and “fedora” – people who use them in gender discussions have readily identified themselves as clueless and/or not interested in a real discussion. Beyond that, I don’t think you quite get away from the gendered aspect of the language here, Alyssa – everything you’ve posted justifies an equivalent “I’m not saying all women are bitches – just some of them!” argument. It’s a gendered term, as is douchebag. (Unless you compare the etymology of “bitch” vs. “douche” – but…come on, seriously) And I doubt women would take too kindly to someone saying… Read more »
You forgot “neckbeard”. 😀
I don’t mind the use of “dudebro” because I am quite sure nobody ever used that term as self-description, but I hate the bad rap Fedoras are getting. They are just hats, for Christ’s sake. Except that now they seem to be a sociopolitical statement, and are for that reason utterly unwearable. It’s a shame. Just as bad as invariably calling a woman “nerdy” if she has the audacity of wearing glasses.
Curses, you’re right! Well, it seems to be a term focusing on physical appearance and style. The irony is I often see MRA/antifeminist/nonfeminist males described in terms of being neckbearded fedora-wearing virgins – a tactic often deployed by feminists. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t calling feminists ugly hairy lesbians who just can’t get laid a rather classic and irrelevant insult? This is why I like these terms more than I hate them – they highlight hypocrites lacking in self-awareness 😉 I object to “dudebro” because that’s a term often used in conjunction with terms like neckbeard/fedora etc to… Read more »
I thought I made it damned clear that I would be all for figuring out what the female equivalent of “douchebag” is. As long as, in all cases, we focused on behavior. Regardless, when I tell you something, please do me the favor of not telling me what I mean and how I feel and I how I would react. I told you. If you are unclear, ask me. But I can assure that I say what I mean, and I know how I feel about things far better than you do. Unless, of course, you didn’t mean to make… Read more »
I don’t see why “pussy” is bad and shouldn’t be used, but “douchebag” can have this argument made about it.
I think you’re being pretty selective here – I wasn’t assuming, I based my statements on that demonstrated selectivity.
“I thought I made it damned clear that I would be all for figuring out what the female equivalent of “douchebag” is.” It’s cheap to be “all for” something that will never happen. “Regardless, when I tell you something, please do me the favor of not telling me what I mean and how I feel and I how I would react. I told you.” You lied. Your piece is pure unadulterated hate speech. They used to “classify” blacks and Jews like that. You sort men into categories delineated by your prejudice. This is strictly more hateful than just lumping us… Read more »
“Regardless, when I tell you something, please do me the favor of not telling me what I mean and how I feel and I how I would react. I told you. If you are unclear, ask me. But I can assure that I say what I mean, and I know how I feel about things far better than you do. ” That’s pretty cute considering the entire concept of “male entitlement” and “Nice Guy Syndrome” hinges on feminists believing they know better what men mean than what the guys say they mean. Kinda sucks being told your own motivations, doesn’t… Read more »
@ 8ball In high school the teacher wanted to discuss slavery. It was an open class led discussion so she waited for us to start. After a time of awkward silence, a white guy tentatively raised his hand and definitively said I wouldn’t beat my slaves to witch the teacher replied that’s not the issue. The problem is that they’re property. Odd, but that was the only thing we needed to know. It was an epiphany. The fallacy behind this piece is that it never looks at gendering the conversation as the problem. It wants to keep the conversation gendered,… Read more »
@John Gottman Anderson
“In high school the teacher wanted to discuss slavery. (…) Having said that, I don’t think she’s a bad person at all like I don’t believe that my classmate was. I don’t feel she’s anti-male. I think she’s just not seeing what the real problem is.”
Did you notice that it’s been a couple of years since Alyssa Royse graduated from high school, and that she now sort of makes a living out of pretending to be someone who knows what the real problem is?
@ BASTA! If you’ve read some of the things I’ve written, you’d know I don’t let anti-male articles slide, however, I can compartmentalize my thoughts. I think her question was should we define a subset of men who possess certain “attributes” so as to make them distinct from the men who do not have those “attributes”. I’m certain Alyssa can speak for herself, but considering a theory or searching for a truth is not the same as being a bad person or being anti-male. That’s completely dependent on your position after you go through your mental exercises. I’m of the… Read more »
You say you’re “all for” figuring out what the female version of this term would be. But I don’t actually believe you, because we already have that term- it’s called being a bitch. But feminists, such as yourself, don’t like that term. So we’re told not to use it. I don’t have any particular reason to believe that any other term that insults a woman even vaguely won’t also get this treatment (such as, oh, say, bossy for example)
Yeah, douchebag still has some male-ness to it. A$$-hole works pretty well, and is still commonly used, as in ‘Don’t date a$$holes’. Though even there, I’ve never been told not to date them and that probably has to do with being a man. Advice geared towards men about what kind of personality they should look for in women is sparse in my experience, as far as my family and growing up was concerned. But asshole certainly still is name-calling and isn’t too good around little kids. But as adults, I think you’re totally right. We need terms that define behaviors,… Read more »
Now I’m curious what kind of advice men are given in terms of what kinds of women to date…..
Not much. Its usually based around what she can provide in terms of sex and chores.
I’m okay with this on the condition that some term that can be used as a catch all for the female equivalent of a douche can be coined. (You mention Gold Diggers in your post but that only points out women who are after a guy for his money/possessions but obviously that is no the only type of nasty behavior women can engage in). Something that is offered to men but does men no good and can actually harm men.
Axe (the body spray)?
And, I laughed out loud. The spelled-out way. Yes, by all means, let’s think of the female equivalent. I’m working on a whole biological classification system. 😉 I don’t think Axe is the right analogy, for two reasons: 1: It’s not harmful to men, well, maybe in a slow-toxin and social avoidance way. But it won’t give you a raging yeast-infection. Not that I wish that level of “equality” in you, but…. 2: I think it’s one indication of douchebaggery. It’s a common trait of the douchebag, though not a solo indicator. It generally has to be combined with things… Read more »
Actually that makes me think of a different question.
Why aren’t women who engage in the sorts of behaviors that would get a guy called a douchebag called douchebags themselves? (I think I have an idea though.)
In fact in your post you use The Situation as your example. Let’s not pretend that he and men on the show were the only ones doing terrible stuff. Why isn’t Snooki called a douchebag for the stuff she does?
Mostly because douchebag seems to be a term reserved for men. I certainly agree that Snooki is the female equivalent. Whatever that is.
For reasons I’m unaware of, the insult “douchebag” has always had a male connotation to it, despite being a (useless and often harmful) feminine product. That aside, I did some thinking on the original post, and there is only one thing I can think of that feels like the male-equivalent of a douchebag: a circumcision. To illustrate, I’ve copied part of Alyssa’s article and adjusted it for gender-proper terms: “They are not something that men need, at all. More often than not, they are harmful to men, and done out of conformity rather than an understanding of who a man… Read more »
It does fit! How I feel about circumcision is a whole different post, and probably not one I have an right to write. But it does fit. Somehow, it doesn’t have the same playful tone to it – which is also weird.
Fleshlight perhaps?
You definitely have a right to write it and I suspect we’d enjoy reading it. It’s OK for women to have an opinion on and “good” for women to advocate for “men’s issues”.
That aside, I did some thinking on the original post, and there is only one thing I can think of that feels like the male-equivalent of a douchebag: a circumcision.
I have mild reservations about that because there are actually some cases when a circumcision is actually necessary.
@Amara Khan-Evans:
Fleshlights aren’t really harmful to men though.
“Though I am not a man, I bristle when I hear things like “men just want to use women for sex.” Or “men only love a woman while they’re young.” Or, “men like women to be weaker than them.” Or, really, any sentence that starts with “men are…..” For that matter, any idea that begins with the assumption that “men are,” by virtue of being men, all the same in any real way.” Yes. More approaches like this, please. Let’s all spread the word to everyone about this, to both men and women. We should challenge men and women who… Read more »
You’re singing my song!