Feminists are not just choosy about wanting intellectual, successful, and respectful men. They want it all, including magnificent lovers, and in fact, they demand it all.
For all of you who say feminists are ugly, evil, lesbians, let’s just say that my feminist friends and I have had more sex than your anti-feminist cousins and grandmas ever dreamed about, and some of us even shave our pussies, dye our hair, and wear make-up. In fact, the feminists I know, including me, are hot as hell, and I’m not even lesbian. Although the thought of touching a woman doesn’t cause me to break out in hives or pray to Jesus because, hands down, feminists aren’t afraid of their sexuality.
A feminist chooses wisely who to make love to and keep after she’s weeded out all of the sexist losers.
—Photo barb.howe/Flickr
Feminism and Masculinism are ideologies. Ideologies have flaws and benefits.
Fin.
Right well…I think I get what you were trying to do here, Jennifer…especially after reading all of the comments…I just don’t think you quite accomplished it. Phrases like: “For all of you who say feminists are ugly, evil, lesbians,” are grating. I am not conventionally beautiful, and I am a lesbian (though I don’t consider myself evil). I get that you were trying to say that feminists don’t all fit the classic stereotype…but instead it came across as if you were trying to separate yourself from those feminists who aren’t classically feminine. “No,” this article says, “I’m not one of… Read more »
Both of my wives and virtually every girlfriend I’ve ever had (except for the Republican ex-cheerleader) have been feminists. Virtually all were pretty sex-positive. Oral skills varied. That didn’t matter all that much because I like giving orally more than getting it. There is a pretty big group of sex-negative feminists out there, though. Much of the current hyper-monogamist, super age-“appropriate” touting, cute yuppie couple stuff we see comes from this. (If you hate evo-psych, note that this phenomenon starts to prove it true. We should have gotten more “free love” from feminism, instead, we got the bourgeois version you… Read more »
>If you hate evo-psych, note that this phenomenon starts to prove it true.
LOL. Evo-psych seems to be mostly based on the mating systems of fruit flys.
>demand men appear to be monogamous
Just as long as you’re consistent and you don’t turn around and demand women appear to be monogamous.
Yeh. I don’t.
i love this! 😀
From the article: “feminists aren’t afraid of their sexuality. Let’s face it, if a woman embraces sexism, then her sexual actions will most likely be submissive as well” Once again the narrative that non-feminist or anti-feminist = sexism or bias. This is simply an untruth. 2nd point: does this headline apply for male feminists as well? I find this article interesting because it reinforces the stereotype (or factoid?) that the overwhelming majority of feminists are women. When you look at MRA orgs their ranks are swelling with a great deal of hands-on female activists. Glenn Sacks stepped down as the… Read more »
Now this is the most interesting reply anyone has had John D, and by far the most insightful…YES! It reinforces the notion that all/the majority of feminists are women, which in turn is a form of sexism, which in turn highlights the fact that we live in a sexist society. Not where men or women are sexist individually, but as a culture—both are. We are so entrenched by these things that we can’t even conceptually develop an -ism that doesn’t, in some way, reinforce the very notion of that which it seeks to alleviate it because as soon as attention… Read more »
Just for the record the Men’s Right Movement isn’t technically an ism–lol.
Under moderation again. Guys, would you please cut this out?
Jennifer: “I often write of sexual experiences because that is the area of my life that was nearly silenced from abuse since childhood, and I think this history of silence has silently condoned sexism and abuse in all of its insipid forms, including sexual abuse against boys.” And how is this article different from other ones where men brag about their sexual conquests? Jennifer: “Men are just as trapped by sexist labels as women are, and this is the heart of feminism if one takes the time to find out. ” I see. So why did certain feminists dismiss and… Read more »
Thank you for the range of comments. It’s interesting to see the contexts and perspectives from which people have responded. I find many of them insightful and many of them way off from the perspective in which I was writing. I often write of sexual experiences because that is the area of my life that was nearly silenced from abuse since childhood, and I think this history of silence has silently condoned sexism and abuse in all of its insipid forms, including sexual abuse against boys. Men are just as trapped by sexist labels as women are, and this is… Read more »
I enjoyed the article. I’m pretty sure I got where you were going: coopting one sexual generalisation to destroy another in a lighthearted way. I think where it fell down was a mixture of glorifying sexual aggression on a site with quite a few people who’ve been hurt by that. Another area which killed it a little was its subject: “Feminism is Great!” Not that they’re aren’t many wonderful things about feminism, but the current narrative when it comes to gender debate is feminism=good masculism=bad. Writing an article which fits either or both sides of that narrative tends to associate… Read more »
I really don’t want to get antagonistic here but: Men are just as trapped by sexist labels as women are, and this is the heart of feminism if one takes the time to find out. Can we please get past the point where stuff like this is no longer passed off as the one and only reason someone doesn’t “understand feminism”? Studying aspects of feminism helped me find my voice and provided a framework for healing and self-actualizing my sexuality, but certainly, it is a “label,” with a myriad of different social connotations and academic strains, merely an -ism when… Read more »
Uh, really? I’ve dated feminists before, and they were NOT happy about putting a cock in their mouth. They found it “degrading to women.”
You can peddle that “feminists do it better” shit elsewhere.
What the hell is an article like this doing here?
Amen, Eagle34. I believe it is competing with “The Kinkiest Student Newspaper Article Ever” for the irrelevancy prize. It will be a close contest. The Project can do better than this.
I disagree, feminist sexuality and BDSM rights are two issues that deserve discussion in relation to masculinity.
Doesn’t mean the article is any good, just that its relevant.
Just to be fair, I reread both the original article, and Jennifer Hollie Bowles follow-up explanation, and I must stand by my original statement. Except for GMP’s ‘shying away from nothing’ this article is irrelevant to the stated goals of the web site. As long as I’m having a tirade about relevancy, I also submit (pun intended) that the brief bit of fluff about the Harvard Crimson’s kinky news article hardly counts as a discussion of the subject as it relates to masculinity. On the surface, it appears to be the latest attempt by the younger generation to shock the… Read more »
Yeah…I’m really confused as well…what’s more is A) This hasn’t changed my opinion about feminism; the article came off as just really un-classy in my opinion. B) It’s just as offensive and off putting as guys who go around bragging about every girl that he bangs. So you sleep with a lot of different people, cool that’s your deal and should be kept between you and those people, not turned into a political statement. C) It’s good to be comfortable with your sexuality, and if you’re really comfortable and confident with your sexuality you won’t need to resort to being… Read more »
For all of you who say feminists are ugly, evil, lesbians, let’s just say that my feminist friends and I have had more dick than your anti-feminist cousins and grandmas ever dreamed about, and some of us even shave our pussies, dye our hair, and wear make-up. And by that I take it that those of us who say that feminists are just like nearly any other group of people and have their good apples and bad apples, meaning rather than assume that because they are feminist they must be great sex partners we’ll keep checking the apple before biting… Read more »
— Not only do MRAS get to lick clits that are qualitatively better, but they also execute the licking of clit better than their feminist and non-MRA counterparts. MRAS get to lick better clits because they’re not just choosy about wanting intellectual, successful, and respectful women. They want it all, including magnificent lovers, and in fact, they demand it all. For all of you who say MRAs are ugly, evil, neck beards let’s just say that my MRA friends and I have had more pussy than your feminist cousins and grandpas ever dreamed about, and some of us even shave… Read more »
Classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNsJBBESeUU
1:15
I should have stayed away from this one, and let you handle it 🙂
To be honest I consider both versions unhelpful and divisive.
I’m not sure what I think of someone who believes a political label makes them a better lover. I… um… wow… hmm…
+1 😀
Agree. Less with the divisiveness. That’s why I got into this site in the first place.
Excellent rebuttal Typhoon.
Everything you say is true. I know it first hand. However, I question what you mean by “a feminist chooses wisely.” Ever since I was “chosen” by a feminist when I was 13 years old, I have understood very well the darkness that can lie inside of feminist hearts. I know that I was chosen because of a desire to do harm. This is certainly lack of inhibition, and “owning” of desires, but I would not call it “wise,” even though none of the perpetrators were ever punished or exposed (the same is true of my 11 and 12 year… Read more »
And feminism isn’t the cause of the sociopathic and manipulative abuse, any more than saying Catholicism causes sexual abuse or being a Muslim means you’ll be a terrorist. Or being a man, an abuser.
There can be darkness inside anyone’s heart, conservative or liberal, masculanist or feminst, atheist or religious. The issue is the darkness, not the ideology they might espouse. That they use the ideology means their sociopathy is in full gear.
I know there can be darkness in anyone’s hart. But his article is glorifying a very dangerous combination of factors: 1) Women who intentionally throw off social inhibitions in relationships with men. 2) Women who have a higher than averagre likelyhood of rage/anger issues towards men. Do you deny that either (1) or (2) are true? And if you agree, then how can you deny that it is dangerous and irresponsible to say these things? I am not saying that every feminis hates men. Although my heart screems that ths is true, I know that it is not. But only… Read more »
And feminism isn’t the cause of the sociopathic and manipulative abuse, any more than saying Catholicism causes sexual abuse or being a Muslim means you’ll be a terrorist. Or being a man, an abuser.
But we’re supposed to believe that feminism makes one a better sex partner? I know what you’re trying to say but it gets a little odd (and old) to see people defend feminism by saying that it didn’t create the darkness while at the same time pretending its the only light.
I’m pretty sure the article was a lighthearted jab at the notion that feminists are all sexless frigids. I don’t think it was intended to be taken that seriously.
Peter, no offense, but the old “It was meant to be humorous” line is getting tiresome. Every time something like this comes out, we’re asked to have a sense of humor about it when it’s pretty clear that the virtrol spewing from it is mean-spirited.
I’m not trying to say that feminism makes someone a better sex partner. That’s not what I said. I’m not defending feminism, I’m accusing abusers. And I’m damning people who use (as abusers) an ideology like religion, or politics, or a family value to allow that abuse to go on. If an abuser is spouting off about feminist while she’s abusing you, or about Jesus while he’s molesting you, or about Boy Scouts or whatever, then the association will often be with the ideology allowing that abuse to happen. And in many cases it does. Having been through numerous Gender… Read more »
What about Germaine Greer’s 2003 book “the beautiful boy” which essentially told women it was okay for women to lust after teen boys?
I have not read it. Does it advocate for women to sleep with them against their wills? Our most popular post here on GMP has to do with older men lusting after younger women. I see nothing wrong with lust (in the mind), so long as no manipulation or coercion takes place (in the body). And of course I’m intensely against any kind of online activity that supports sexualized imagery of teen anygenders, which is currently illegal.
In short, after looking at Amazon reviews I don’t see anything outrageous about a book on art and the female gaze. If men can gaze so can women. Or no one should. I do see that acting in a predatory manner to a teen under the age of consent (and even still, if power differentials are so great that consent is meaningless) isn’t cool no matter the gender of the participants. If I see a 20 year old man who is beautiful, if you see a 20 year old woman who is beautiful, and we gaze….I don’t see that there… Read more »
I’d also posit that humans in general have a weird thing about youth and aging, which may have to do with reproduction, but also a deep sadness about the loss of “future” and a desire/lust to control that piece of our past we don’t own anymore in ourselves.
Who knows. Look, think but don’t touch I guess. Or outlaw young models of all ages.
The problem with it is that she explicitly references underage boys.
I haven’t read it either, but my understanding is that the book talks about and has pictures of boys who are under the age of consent in most states.
Can you imagine the furor if somebody high-up in the chain of a men’s rights org published a similar book detailing the acceptability of men staring at sexualized images of teen girls?
Personally I would never in-vest my valuable asset in such a risky venture with 32 risks.
Well said Jennifer! I know I suck better dick! lol. We definetly fuck better because we don”t hold back out of fear of being labeled a slut. I always let men know anything and everything I do is out of my own free will. I think you brought up a great point about choosiness; this is probably what they fear most. I have plenty of traditional female qualities such as cooking from stratch, giving back and foot rubs, wearing floral dresses and do the occasional ‘let me get that beer for you darling’ but at the same time I am… Read more »
What I find amusing is that this is again another tirade about what feminists can DEMAND of other human being while offering only to deign to meeting the needs of others. You have high standards for the men you date, you financially, sexually objectify them. If a man were to demand that a woman be beautiful, rich, funny and a good lover he’d be a pig. This is a double standard, that is hateful towards men.