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One of the things I enjoy about being involved with The Good Men Project is that I can be a feminist and no one thinks it’s a conflict of interest. It’s something that worried me at first.
So many people seem to think feminism is a dirty word and that it automatically means I think women are superior to men or that I hate men. For me, patriarchy is an institution and smashing it—which I definitely want to do—does not include punishing men or erecting a matriarchy.
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For me, feminism is the search for equality, which means…that it is equally unacceptable for women to shoot down men when they are talking about a problem that affects men.
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For me, feminism is the search for equality, which means, among other things, that it is unacceptable for men to shoot down feminists when we are talking about a problem that affects women. What some feminists miss, however, is that it is equally unacceptable for women to shout down men when they are talking about a problem that affects men, even when, and maybe especially when, it’s the same problem.
The Good Men Project has a writers’ group for contributors. It’s a place we can come together and discuss what we’re writing and thinking about and get thoughts and ideas of other authors. Recently, I posted an article in that group titled “The Hidden Epidemic of Men Who Are Raped by Women.” According to the data in this article, 2/3 of men who are sexually assaulted report women as the perpetrator.
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A few days later, I received a message from a close friend of mine from high school, let’s call him Joe–not his real name. He opened with “that wasn’t a very easy article to read” and I knew I was about to have my first real conversation with a man about his being sexually assaulted by a woman.
I say real conversation here because I’ve talked to men about sexual assault before, but never in any seriousness. The stereotypes that men are always up for sex, that “you can’t rape the willing,” and that rape is defined by violence and forceful penetration are exceedingly pervasive. In truth, I don’t recall ever having a conversation about male rape, but if I did, I’m sure I dismissed it as silliness, given those stereotypes which I reluctantly admit I shamefully believed.
So, I asked Joe if he was a victim of male rape and he said “I’m not sure if I qualify.” He then related to me how, while in college, he had once returned to his dorm room in a drunken stupor, stripped down to his skivvies, and climbed into bed to sleep it off. A woman he attended school with him and found him attractive followed him and found his door unlocked. Finding him lying in bed nearly naked, she proceeded to crawl into bed with him, climb on top of him, and have unprotected sex with him, despite him being “really blurry” and unable to “move very well.”
So I asked him, “If I told you this same story, would you tell me I was sexually assaulted?” He said he probably would.
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If I told the female version of this same story to the police, it’s conceivable my assailant would be arrested and charged with rape.
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And really, who wouldn’t?If I told the female version of this same story to the police, it’s conceivable my assailant would be arrested and charged with rape. This is an area where women have a privilege men don’t share. When a woman says she has been raped by a man, she is more likely to be believed than a man saying he was raped by a woman. When one considers how often women are not believed, this is a sad state of affairs for men indeed.
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And yet, my friend struggles with the thought that he was raped. “I’m not sure if I qualify.”
There are many parallels in the aftermath of male and female rape. Joe said he thought it was his fault. He knows he had an erection as well as an orgasm. Men don’t control their erections; they result from sexual stimulation, be that physical or mental. These are physiologic responses and do not indicate voluntary participation in the sexual act. This is the same gaslighting women well know. “Well, she was wet…” A woman can be wet and still say no. A man can be erect and still say no. “No” still means no.
He thought no one would believe him because of his “reputation back then.” This is the same slut-shaming that women endure. Having sex with someone, even several someones, doesn’t mean you want to have sex with everyone. We are free to offer our sexual selves to—or withhold from—whomever we choose.
I told him to stop making excuses for this woman; she took advantage of him. We don’t like to think of humans as capable of horrible things, but sometimes we are. We don’t like to think of ourselves as victims, but sometimes we are.
In the end, I think I validated his experience by saying all the things that I would want someone to say to me in the same situation. That I believe him. That it was not his fault. That I am honored that he trusted me enough to talk to me about it. That it’s reasonable and understandable that it still bothers him.
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David Shaw is a clinical social worker and a fellow GMP contributor. In response to my post of the article, David said, “Pro-feminism does suggest that an article like the above only exists because feminists thought rape was something important to talk about instead of ignore.”
Rape is a problem that affects men, too. Feminists have a responsibility to decry the female victimization of men as vociferously and as consistently as we do the male victimization of women. We have a unique opportunity to advance the conversation about sexual assault and rape perpetrated against men. We have practice speaking of our own sexual assaults and speaking out about the sexual assaults of others. We can help men talk about it. We can validate them when they talk about it. We can recognize the difference between men dismissing our issues and men describing their own. We can make ourselves a safe space for these uncomfortable, important discussions.
Otherwise, our feminism is not really about equality at all.
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Male Rape is no Laughing Matter
Warning: There will be triggers for some viewers but, if you watch, please watch the whole thing before passing judgment.
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Photo credit: Flickr/Lloyd Morgan


I’ve spoken with many men before who’ve been raped by women. One of the survival mechanisms men use is to deny they were raped because they have few if any alternatives and I don’t think this can be understated. Those things your friend brought up were probably to convince himself that he wasn’t raped because he had no where else to go. The fact that he sought you out after you wrote the article indicates to me that he’s been looking for a place where he could confide and work things out. There were also two studies done on women… Read more »
“And really, who wouldn’t?If I told the female version of this same story to the police, it’s conceivable my assailant would be arrested and charged with rape. This is an area where women have a privilege men don’t share. When a woman says she has been raped by a man, she is more likely to be believed than a man saying he was raped by a woman. When one considers how often women are not believed, this is a sad state of affairs for men indeed.” It goes well beyond that. He’s more likely to be prosecuted, less likely to… Read more »
It goes well beyond that. He’s more likely to be prosecuted, less likely to be given a plea bargain if the sex can be proven to have occurred (not rape just sex), and more likely to get a prison sentence that reflects the seriousness of the crime. By that I mean she has no chance unless you believe that 4 years somehow catches the low end of the low end. And you would also see a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid calling it rape. Hell I was reading an old article yesterday about 2 female teachers having sex with… Read more »
@ Danny “Because the conversation on rape has been heavily gendered for a very long time but we are expected to pretend that it never happened and the only reason male victims dont speak up is because they choose not to via “toxic masculinity” or something like that.” That’s one of the feelings I get when I read articles like this. In my mind, there is a very thin line between the idea of “toxic masculinity” and victim blaming. I’m not ready to say the author crossed it. I am suggesting that we need to be very careful about how… Read more »
Agreed. I was only commenting on the overall conversation. In the last few years the concept of toxic masculinity has risen as less of an analytical tool to examine masculinity and more as a scapegoat to blame things at in order to avoid actual thorough analysis. I don’t think the writer here crossed that line. But from previous experience I do know that when femin ism looks into things that harm men, the concept of toxic masculinity isn’t far behind.
Outside of the MRM, this story has gotten very little traction. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4032056/Girl-gang-plied-football-star-vodka-stripped-naked-subjecting-bizarre-sex-ordeal.html Let me highlight the rush of the prosecutor to point out (I feel wrongly) that there was no sexual motive because gendered violence and sexual assault can only truly occur when men to it to women even though in this case every possible mitigation that people use to excuse or mitigate a woman’s sexual assault of a man does not exist in this case. “Prosecutor Francis McEntee said: ‘There was not a sexual motive, it was to demean and humiliate the victim.’ He said the attack ‘descended into… Read more »
I was just reading about that yesterday. That is f’n horrible. But this portion really scared me, “Prosecutor Francis McEntee said: ‘There was not a sexual motive, it was to demean and humiliate the victim.’ He said the attack ‘descended into sexual behaviour’.”
Can you imagine, “There was not a sexual motive, it was to steal property from the victim. The attack descended into sexual behavior.”
I suppose intent does matter….
Some people have suggested that rape is an act of power and not sex so if that’s the case isn’t humiliation always the “reason” and sex is just the means. Isn’t it then almost never sexual. What gets me though is that this would never be mentioned if the genders were reversed whether true or not and if a prosecutor or a judge were to utter it, feminists would be leading the charge for their removal. Saying it about women though protects the narrative that women are only victims and men are the true perpetrators so they’ll let it pass… Read more »
Danny There is a perception in the MRM that there are two teirs of justice when it comes to sex offenses. One MRA had asked has there ever been a case where a woman was convicted of raping a man. The assumption being an adult, non-disabled, non-incarcerated, man. No one could find a single instance of such. I checked my archives and I found some instances where they plead guilty to attempted rape. If we look at the sentencing, they were all along the limes of Brock Turner, which I think if anyone looked at the sentencing men usually get… Read more »
One MRA had asked has there ever been a case where a woman was convicted of raping a man. The assumption being an adult, non-disabled, non-incarcerated, man. No one could find a single instance of such. I checked my archives and I found some instances where they plead guilty to attempted rape. Wow. You’re right. At best I’ve seen convictions for sexual assault, attempted rape, unwanted sex, and unlawful sex (even with under age victims). Its almost like being called a rapist carries a specific emotional charge and there is a concerted effort to spare women that charge while the… Read more »
“Prosecutor Francis McEntee said: ‘There was not a sexual motive, it was to demean and humiliate the victim.’ He said the attack ‘descended into sexual behaviour’.” What a ridiculous statement by the prosecutor. It’s long been known that rape has very little to do with sex and everything to do with power. That’s true regardless of the perpetrator and the fact that he felt that this crime was motivated by humiliation of the victim bolsters the claim of rape, not undermines it. Regardless of that, rape is defined as a person A having sex with person B in the absence… Read more »
I can relate to the video that you included. Through the years, I’ve worked with adolescent male clients who admitted to having sex with adult (mostly late teen early 20’s) females where the boys would virtually mirror what the guy said in the video. “I bagged my first babe at age (fill in the blank)” In some cases the age was pre-teen. None of them saw what happened as abuse, much less sexual abuse. Feminists, if they want to start to help these men and boys, they can start to educate more. Educate women that these acts are no less… Read more »
I’m not sure what to say. There’s been a debate in the MRM about feminism and their supposed concern for male victims. There’s also been some, I believe, understandable skepticism. You’d be surprised how many MRAs were male victims who first tried to reach out to feminists for support only to be met with contempt or how many feminist articles there were 10 years ago denigrating and even celebrating the victimization of men. On the other hand, people can change. I saw that with Cara Kulwicki over at the curvature who had a wonderful article about how she changed her… Read more »
On the other hand, people can change. I saw that with Cara Kulwicki over at the curvature who had a wonderful article about how she changed her beliefs and that was well before it was fashionable. That woman changed her view on something? I crossed paths with her back in the day and frankly she said a lot of horrible shit and acted like the very kind of femi nists would say is “not a real f eminist” just to deny that fem inists say and do awful things. If she has changed her ways then there may be hope… Read more »
Hi Lisa …. I think you can get my email address this way. It used to be when people responded, the writer could contact the responder directly. Maybe that changed with the new format?
Well, #### in one hand and wish in the other, because it will never happen. There is a reason why feminism ignores male victimhood across the board, and why posts like this read as little more than lip service. It is as evident as the terminology you use. Sadly, it is only evident for those taking a non ideological view from the outside.