
A professional dating coach wants men to know that women, “love your masculinity in all the glorious forms it can manifest in you … Your specific masculinity is desirable and attractive.”
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As a dating coach, I read a lot of dating advice that is available out there. Some of it I agree with and may use with my own clients, and some of it shocks me and makes me shake my head. Reading various advice helps me to know what ideas people are being exposed to.
Here is a list of some of the very bad dating advice I have seen given to men:
• Don’t be a beta wuss no matter what, or all women will friendzone you immediately.
• Act confident and somewhat arrogant, chicks dig that.
• Always go after sex with every girl you are dating or even casually seeing.
• Have sex with every woman who is willing, because women don’t want a sexually inexperienced man.
• Do not ask women what they want, for they don’t even know what they want themselves so whatever answer they give you will probably put you in the friendzone if you achieve it.
• Women only want alpha males who are extroverted bad boys, so if you aren’t all of that, you must pretend to be like that or no women will ever want you.
Any advice that encourages all men to behave and feel the same way and insists that women don’t know what they want…is just plain bad advice. Whatever you bring to the table is totally awesome to someone, or maybe lots of someones. I know, that sounds like fairy tale stuff. But it really is that simple. Your particular special snowflake flavor is going to be some person’s (or many people’s) favorite special snowflake flavor.
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The notion that all men must act in a certain alpha manner and look a certain way, and that all (or most) women will be attracted to only that type of guy simply isn’t true. I have known women of all ages who were attracted to any type of man you can describe, in both looks and personality, and any combination of these. Here are some examples:
• stoic, quiet types
• guys who work in healthcare
• shy, inexperienced guys
• metro guys
• spiritual guys
• mysterious guys
• bookish types
• cross dressers
• computer gamers
• quirky, interesting, out-of-the-ordinary guys
• emo guys
• engineer types
• long haired hippie freaks
• “Spock” types
• dancing and singing types
• skinny dudes
• heavy dudes
• average sized dudes
• guyliner/gender-bender types
There are dozens of other types I could have mentioned, too many to fit here.
Notice that there weren’t any alpha bad boy extroverts mentioned. And the types listed above don’t necessarily exude confidence either. But women can be attracted to guys who lack outward confidence because it can be so incredibly endearing for a man to just be who he is, including not being confident.
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It may seem I am contradicting myself because my husband is in fact a confident, athletic type of guy. But he is flawed, too, with both physical and personality flaws. And he is able to be vulnerable and admit those flaws and let me see them and therefore, really know him. If he acted like a puffed up, never-let-them-see-you-cry type of guy, I would not be into to him. It is his admitted weaknesses as much as his strengths that I am attracted to. I need to be able to reveal my weaknesses and flaws in a relationship, so I want that same vulnerability in a partner. My husband also has the capacity for so much tenderness and emotional intimacy. These would be considered “beta wuss” traits by the PUA community. But they are a delicious part of his beautiful masculinity, to me.
It is true that some women are attracted to the alpha bad boy arrogant PUA types, but it is just as true that many women are not. I have heard so many women saying that type is a total turn off to them. I have also heard it argued “but the same woman would want to have sex with a guy like that if the timing was right”, as if this created alpha-man type is some kind of irresistible sexual force to all women on a primal level. But it really isn’t. The people who are promoting this idea are wrong. So many women will never be attracted to that type of man, have sex with one, or be in a relationship with one. Those men do not have a universal appeal.
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If you are trying to date and meet women and having a hard time at it, this doesn’t mean you need to change yourself into someone you are not, especially not a pretend alpha-dude. Instead, get some dating advice related to finding the women who will be attracted to you as you really are. I know that it used to be considered lame advice to say “just be yourself”, but hopefully we now know this really was the best advice after all, and it is the only advice anyone can successfully execute. Who else could you authentically be?
Men, we love your masculinity in all the glorious forms it can manifest in you. Pour it on us in your exquisite and unique flavor. Your specific masculinity is desirable and attractive. Keep it and expand on it and become self-aware about who you are and what you want.
I’m writing from the hetero female perspective, because I can’t speak from the gay male perspective. But I think it is safe to assume that gay men love masculinity in all of its variety, too.
I love watching attraction develop between people. It is like unique song being composed as events unfold. The process is so inspiring to watch. And it doesn’t only happen between perfect Barbies and GI Joe’s. It happens between every type of person, everywhere, all the time.
Get yours!
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“I know, that sounds like fairy tale stuff. But it really is that simple. Your particular special snowflake flavor is going to be some person’s (or many people’s) favorite special snowflake flavor.” Yes, it is very simple, indeed. It is also very very incorrect and unrealistic too. When it comes to men, women are rarely simple. Trust me, I know what I am talking about here. If a woman wants a guy for sex, there is a certain type she desires. If a woman wants a man for a relationship, there is yet another type she might desire. If a… Read more »
I am white so I will say straight up that I do not know what it is like for you. I am unsure about your last paragraph above though, since I never stated in my article (nor anywhere else) that anyone was going to get 100% of what they want in a person (and I do not have that, either). What I am saying is that women are attracted to guys other than alpha bro-dudes. I realize that many men will not believe me on this…but I’m hoping a few will. Keep in mind, not all people who date and… Read more »
@Marie MMoPixel Franklin, ” What I am saying is that women are attracted to guys other than alpha bro-dudes. I realize that many men will not believe me on this…but I’m hoping a few will.” OK, but for what purpose? (i.e., sex only, friend with benefits, short term relationship, casual dating, marriage etc)? Can we at least agree it does make a difference? There are stages in a woman’s life where they only desire alpha bro clowns….The beta guys are expected to wait patiently in the dugout fro their turn..This is what has turned so many men off today to… Read more »
I know so many women that will never be attracted to an alpha bro clown…for sex, for a relationship, or for anything. Yes, some women do…in fact a lot of women do. Lots of women use this type of man for sex on their own terms. No argument there at all. My point is still that some women, enough to say MANY women, will never be with that type of man at all. I’m being inclusive of people who have alternative lifestyles and tastes here. There are so many men who fit a completely different profile than Mr. Alpha Bro… Read more »
Also Jules…the PUA crap will always exist, and IMO, that is not about dating at all. I have coached a lot of guys who had their heads spun around by that crap and were happy to get away from it. And many of them have gone on to have sex, dates and even marriages with wonderful women. I’m not saying PUA crap will never work for anyone. But if it is someone’s goal to just bang a bunch of random chicks, I can’t really help them anyway and they are better off with the PUA stuff. I’m talking about people… Read more »
@ Marie Franklin, Thanks foe indulging me in this debate. I see your perspective(s) on some areas. However, I remained convinced that their are far more women than you think who are sexing the alpha jerks, especially if they are athletic and well built. These type of men are most often used for sex not dating. This is what men see. It makes many of very angry and upset. Why? Because there is one set of standards for these clowns (usually nothing) but an entirely different set of rules (hoops!) for the more decent men. I have a friend who… Read more »
For every “I know a guy/gal who…” story you can come up with, I can come up with an opposite one. So that is never going to get us anywhere. Yes people cheat, yes many women love alpha dudes and many men love batch*t crazy women. Your story about the personal trainer…yes, there are many guys who target easy, horny married women, it happens all the time. So? If you want to put a number on it, ok so 50% of all women want a bro-dude (I think that’s too high and am being generous). So now we have 50%… Read more »
Marie, I really appreciate your thoughtful replies. I also viewed your 2014 blogs. Some very interesting approaches. This is what really rings true for me,(from your blog) “I strongly feel that the stereo types of “men want sex but not romance, and women want romance but not sex” are standing in the way of the progress we need to make to have better sex, better relationships, and overall, more love.” I was never into the bromance crap. When I was much younger (now 52) I always liked the company of women. No frats, no male bonding,…..Zero interest. Even today. To… Read more »
You said: “Using this example here is where the problem occurs: I think we can agree that the alpha guys make up at BEST perhaps 20% of men. Now if 50% of women want them, it leaves 80% of men chasing the remaining 50%. Hence, I think this is why so many men feel ‘locked out’ of the dating game.” And again…I can turn this around the other way. If only 20% (probably much less in reality) of women look like Playboy bunnies and if 50% of all men want them, it leaves 80% of women chasing the remaining 50%.… Read more »
Jules, I don’t know if I believe the numbers are as extreme as that, but I think women have been done some good by a large-scale questioning of the sorts of body types we’re presented with in the media. It’s broken down the concept of conventional attractiveness to some degree.
But no such scrutiny has been done for conventional attractiveness as it applies to men. And people seem to just assume that women aren’t as shallow as men are. Doesn’t add up.
I don’t actually believe men are as shallow as the media makes it out to look.
Most men I know and work with want real connections and intimacy, not just a hump and dump with a hottie.
Mmhm. And if he wasn’t confident and athletic…..?
It is a fair point, and that is why I put that paragraph in the article. But he also has a physical disfigurement that would make him quite unattractive to many females.
Wish I could believe you. But my lived experience is that women DO exclude exclude alot of men. Guys that maybe are reserved of taking the first step for sex or have their own boundaries. Mostly, when I denied myself and my own experiences that led me to have my personal boundaries then I got dates. From all kinds of women. I don’t think it’s because that all women like a certain arcetype of man. It’s just seems to me that how society have set up dating have allowed women to be lazy. Why choose someone with boundaries that you… Read more »
If you found your groove, then it is still you they are attracted to, right? It sounds like you changed your behaviors, not yourself, and then got dates.
Ironically, this comment is the opposite of the “advise” in the article.
I did not actually give any advice in the article except not to change who you are (which we can’t do anyway).
Changing behaviors is not changing why they are.
Sorry, should say: changing behaviors is not changing WHO they are.
So you are saying that you shouldn’t change yourself? And that you can’t even do that? So it’s pointless advice for men? You also say that you didn’t give any other advice. With this I don’t feel like I have come any closer to beeing a good man. So why should this be on this site? And to this I want to add that, from what you have talked about, a real tip might be that: “You should change your behaviour to deny yourself and your own experiences, this might give you groove and dates. Don’t worry, be anything you… Read more »
I appreciate your thoughts, but I’m not sure I understood everything you wrote. If you have found what works for you, I’m happy.
It’s always interesting to see women describe who they think men are. Always interesting…
It is never interesting to leave a passive aggressive aside as a substitute for a genuine point.
Is that what you got out of that? Now that’s interesting…
“Any advice that encourages all men to behave and feel the same way and insists that women don’t know what they want…” … is all advice from other males… there are a lot of men that like to project ESPECIALLY the whole “women not knowing what they want” Masculinity is a HUGE conformity based gender whereas femininity is not (so much any more at least). Women will wear pants whereas men WILL NOT wear a dress. Women will take up the profession that fits them… not one that fits the standard of femininity whereas men are more likely to BECAUSE… Read more »
Thank you for your comments, Lynn.
Lynn, it’s really awesome to hear women acknowledging and talking about female privilege. Thank you.