This is not a rhetorical question.
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Last week, The Good Men Project (GMP) began a site-wide exploration of men, shame, and vulnerability. A comment from a GMP reader to the introductory article peaked my interest.
GMP publishes more articles that shame and blame men than most of the websites on the internet. Some are written by men, some by women. They purport to tell men, in one way or another, what they’re saying, doing and thinking that is wrong, and how they should think, talk and behave instead.
At this point, a lot of men, and a number of women, are hip to the game – and routinely take remedial action in the comments section.
But – really and truly – GMP is a part of the problem, not a part of the solution.
I advise young men, in particular, to read the material here with a great deal of skepticism, because a lot of it is toxic social engineering – attempting to shame and blame them into being something that someone else wants you to be, rather than being who you you want to be.
Is this reader correct? Is GMP inappropriately shaming men?
This is not a rhetorical question.
I’ll share my personal perspective, but all of us at GMP want to know whether our conversation is serving to build physically, emotionally, and psychologically healthy men.
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Candidly, the editors and contributors DO consciously run some posts that are seen as shaming men. For example, we talk about racism, sexism, homophobia, domestic violence, and sexual assault/abuse.
- Homophobia is misandric because it does not allow men to love as they choose.
- Racism is misandric because it marginalizes a group of men for financial gain.
- Sexism is misandric because it doesn’t allow the belief that men can be 100% great human beings while still allowing women to be so also.
- Abuse is misandric because a huge amount of violence is against other men — and the violence against other men is because they are policing other men to get them to stay in the man box.
- Issues of rape and consent are misandric because they imply that men can’t have open, consenting relationships where they can get as much sex as they want just by being true to themselves.
This is where misperceptions about shaming begin.
But really, we must get at the nuances of how we talk to about these issues so they don’t get oversimplified.
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Here’s an example. Sex is healthy. Rape is unacceptable. So at some place in that spectrum we have to draw a line that says, “Even though sex is good, sex without consent is bad. Sex without consent is rape.” For some this makes sex “less fun” because of the added “chore” of asking for consent. Some interpret this as shaming men who don’t believe that the line drawn is where the line should be drawn. And that gets overly simplified into “you’re shaming men for wanting sex.”
Here’s another example. I’m among those that believe using the team name R*dskins is racially insensitive. I understand that some guys just want to watch their favorite team play football, but I also applaud those that challenge the system that promotes racism. This can be oversimplified into shaming men who just want to enjoy sports without having racism thrown in their face all the time.
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On the other hand, if we at GMP are shaming men for topics other than racism, sexism, homophobia, domestic violence, and sexual assault/abuse, provide specific examples. The editors at GMP are always open to better ways of talking about difficult and provocative topics. If we are not approaching these topics appropriately, point out the places where it’s problematic, and give us ways that you think it would be better to talk about those topics.
A conversation is never one-sided. We’re open to your feedback.
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I think one of the prime examples of this shaming tactic is Shannon Ridgeway’s article on whether men can be sexually objectified by women. She basically concluded that it’s possible in theory, but makes multiple excuses as to way she believes that it might have never actually happened IRL. Should we have articles on how men sexually objectify women? Probably, but I think GMP should stay away from articles that question whether men can be sexually objectified by women and don’t conclude that the answer is a unequivocal yes. We don’t need to deny that it happens to men to… Read more »
Here’s an example: “Toxic exccuses” Did the editors slide that in as a parody? Or was it supposed to go to The Onion?
And Screw Mars/venus, because Fifty Shades was totally bogus.
Well, for starters, I’m wondering what changed here – if anything – between now and the last time you asked this question: https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/lets-talk-about-shaming-men/ To comment on the matter generally, I personally get rather tired of articles that instead of simply discussing a particular issue, seek to give advice – advice which is not always so hot. And very often it is couched in the same tired control phases of “manly” or being a “real man” – see any of the recent articles on being a “gentleman”. Quite a lot of people in this debate are tired of the group they… Read more »
Ok, so it’s been a few days now and I accepted the fact that the “objectification” article may have been on deck …. but now we have a comic strip which has this line “”But one of the very real horrors of male privilege is the fact that violence against women is often shrugged off. That is, if it’s brought up at all”
Did ANYONE listen? Wow
Leia.
Know men.
Sometimes I pick out relevant articles and discuss them with my 14 yo son…sometimes we just laugh at the funny baby videos or ooh and ahh at the people in Australia who pushed the train off that guy’s leg…. The conflict of opinions, the back and forth of disparate views is important…more than ever…my son talks about all kinds of topics that affect him and his peers in twice a month peer counseling group at middle school….he is navigating new friend groups at summer camp and soon at high school…he is becoming a man and considering different attitudes and ways… Read more »
No one ‘taught’ me how to be a man. No one told me how to treat men or women. No one taught me what a ‘good’ woman is. Rather I saw my father. I saw him build himself and his family, from near poverty into the middle class. I saw him act with dignity and humility. I saw him act selfless. I saw my mother stand by his every decision. I saw her grace and compassion. I saw her nuture and her huge heart. I saw a team! Thats how we learn. We copy. And if there is no one… Read more »
You got that right Josh …. that’s how I learned and that’s how my kids learned from their parents. But here is the problem, we come from intact families with a mom and a dad, society today says that’s a think of the past and “families” come in all shapes and sized. But we’re told not to judge.
Try to bring in clear cut morals and standards and see where it gets ya. The proverbial “who are you to judge.”
What i have seen recently in the UK is that now single women can now get access to sperm banks under the NHS subsidisation. So now selfish women who want a child can have one, in part funded by the government. And no doubt they will receive some sort of child benifit in the future too when the going gets tough. So not only are men being removed from families now there is going to be mothers who never had the intention of giving the child a father.
Great topic for an article, ya think GMP would pick up on it? Maybe if you site a couple of articles, someone may write one?
What’s happening here is that there is an up-rise with lesbians where through the ACA, they are being forced to pay for BC, abortion and maternity benefits where they feel they won’t use them much less need them. Slippery slope, liberals screamed about Hobby Lobby .. let’s see what happens when the same issues applies to lesbians and for that matter, gay men. Why should a gay man or any “single” man have to pay for such services?
Anonymous, It appears the conversation thread closed out so I am responding here. You said “I believe the most powerful influence on society is men and women choosing to grin at the noise and model the thinking, words, and actions of a person who cannot and will not be “shamed”. They demonstrate the value of ignoring the noise that doesn’t matter.” But at times the noise is so loud that ya wanna scream “shut up!” I know I have work to do with respect to filtering. The GMP is full of noise. Some good. Some bad. Depends on the values… Read more »
I think the site’s reliance of feminism as a guiding principle also acts to shame men. Now, I understand the site was established as a “feminist” site. GMP may categorize itself as progressive, but the founders / founding contributors made it no secret that this was a feminist project. That in itself may not be that problematic, however, there doesn’t seem to be much care taken to differentiate between the types of feminism. Although I don’t believe that any form of feminism is as concerned with men’s issues than with women’s issues. I think that’s why the site made the… Read more »
Reddit has a few places for MRA’s and feminists to talk, I think the female MRA subreddit does that a lot. I like to read the MRA + feminist reddits, and other sites to get an even coverage of the genders and avoid confirmation bias where possible.
@ Archy
Do you have any links? I’ve always preferred talking to people who had different opinions than I. Echo chambers never held much appeal to me although it does sometimes help with issues of nuance.
You could check this subreddit out: http://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/
FeMRADebates stands for Feminist and MRA debates.
The sub has a pretty strict set of moderation rules to try to foster a good debate rather than a flamewar: Do not insult other commenters or their arguments (“That is stupid, because…” isn’t allowed while “That is wrong, because” is allowed) and generalization of some groups aren’t allowed (feminist, MRAs, egalitarians, some communities like the MensRights subreddit).
My post was moderated, but I think I forgot to add that one. Thanks.
I see a lot of the problems arise from the comparison of men’s issues and women’s issues. It often gets received as trivializing men’s issues. A lot of guys have already been raised to “man up”. They come to the site and are essentially told that women have to deal with worse. I also see a lot of silencing / shaming techniques used in the comments section against men (I know that’s not the editor’s issue). Even if they have a valid point, not everyone learns at the same pace in the same way. To silence a man isn’t going… Read more »
And John what is every worse for me is that is so many cases, where “Women have it worse”, they don’t actually have it worse, it is just that the words used to convey this message have been “REDEFINED” to make it seem like they do.
The GMP conversations are extremely important. We all have to try to get it right and better ourselves and society.
Obviously, people come to this site for a variety of reasons. From reading comments, it seems to me that many of the men who come here are either struggling to be understood, or to understand. Sometimes both. I believe that the editorial staff here either doesn’t agree with that, doesn’t find it relevant, or loses site of it at times. So that’s my starting point. In terms of intent, I think the site conveys the message that good men are open. Open to connecting with women and other men, open to ideas that may not be mainstream, and open to… Read more »
Right on Adrian
Kids, kids, kids…there is a simple solution. Just have two websites: TGMP, Showing support and love for the progressive man. TGMP, Building and challenging the conservative man. Better yet we can franchise this baby. TGMP, (fill in the blank). The tagline can change to ‘The conversation all good men are having, even if your wrong. (And you’re REALLY wrong by the way.)’. Well that last part is a bit long, but you get the picture. For my concept I’ll expect a measly 10% of all first year revenues. Notice I said revenues not net income (Hey, I’m not going to… Read more »
Regarding #womenagainstfeminism.
The only article was about people mocking them.
Yes, that was my comment, and I stand by it, 100% But I do more than that. Everytime I find you guys shaming and blaming men – which happens at GMP pretty much on a daily basis – I’m deconstructing it in real time so folks can see what you’re doing. I’m not particularly doing it for your sake, because clearly you’re too attached to your matrix of ideas and opinions to learn much. Here you are (for example) ARGUING with a number of good men (yes indeed) who are trying to TELL you what you’re doing, but you don’t… Read more »
Randy, Wow!!!!. This stood out with me “Just keep doing it – because that way you make it very easy for folks like me to do the deconstruction that so badly needs to be done here.” Which is something I’d been thinking about myself. Many pf these articles have given us opportunities to deconstruct and bring clarity, reality and truth. I’ve often times seen conversations end when some of us bring truth and reality to the table. Great response Randy … thank you
Randy that was amazing for 2 reasons.
1) Your thoughts were right on the money.
2) Not a single response from a GMP editor or the OP, that is SO very telling.
Nice one, Randy.
GMP – if this is truly a two-way conversation, would you allow such content to be published above the commenting line?
Glenn Jordan. You missed the point. It’s not about me. I’m not defending myself against the magisterial we. I’m not one of those whatevers. And somebody’s inclusion of me is of utter unimportance to me. Who are you that your opinion should matter to me? The point is, hardly anybody is covered by the “we” except in the accusatory sense it is used in GMP’s style book. There wouldn’t be much point in writing an article which begins…It will not surprise all you good guys who don’t do [whatever] that there are guys who do [whatever]. Right. Because we already… Read more »
Start out with “some men” and you won’t be starting the defensive–completely legitimate defensively–feeling on the part of about 98% of your readers. Yes. Problem is, if practically every guy is a pretty good guy, it’s hard to think of something to write about or to feel superior. I guess I can see the difficulty. YES! I think that’s a very good point indeed – for all the insistence that men need to step up, it reminds me of what I have posted here before. The majority of men already are good men. They do not need to step up… Read more »
AMAZING!!!!! New article “Can men be objectified by women?” The closing line of the article? “”In the end, all arguing, “Hey, women objectify men, too!” does is distract from the real problem — deeply ingrained, misogynistic, sexual oppression against women.:”
And where did the article come from? Every day Feminism!!!!
Are you freaking serious? Did anyone at GMP listen to what men have said in these responses? Was this no more then a show? No more then a test in futility on our part?
Yes, Tom, I’m listening. I’m willing to bet we’re all listening. You mentioned a comment you made in the past that you felt went ignored. I’m sure you weren’t ignored, but we’re only humans. Since GMP is only as strong as its articles, I invite you to write as many you see fit. Write your passions, your loves, your hates. Write what starts your engine on a cold morning or what makes you red with rage. Then send them to me at [email protected] The same goes for every person commenting here. Send me your words, and I’ll give them the… Read more »
Christian, I HAVE written for GMP and they have put them on the site. That’s why I said “I remain a faithful reader, sometimes contributor and often times responding to various articles” In so far as where I feel ignored is the many times I have attempted via face book and emails to resolve a “dash board”problem that’s existed for more then three months,in fact it may be more then that. My attempts have included my changing my email address which again has fallen on deaf ears. Getting back to writing, I am in no way a professional or even… Read more »
Tom,
I appreciate your contributions to this discussion. I’m sorry if your inquiries regarding the dashboard were not answered. If you are a regular contributor or an editor, you have access to the dashboard. If that access no longer exists but you believe it should, please e mail me personally and I will bring it up with the appropriate editor. My contact information is on the GMP website.
~Scott
Thank you Scott.
Tom,
Lisa and I have both looked into your “dashboard” issue, we have addressed it with our tech people, no one here is intentionally keeping you from it. I have told you this on FB, and through email. It is not something that we can turn on or off, and quite honestly I’m not even sure what you are talking about because you seem to be the only person who had this “dashboard” and the only person missing it now.
Hi Lisa, for one thing I never said anything was done intentionally. The “Dashboard” appears as a drop down when I highlight “The Good Man Project” at the upper left of the screen. When I click “Dashboard” it gives me the “Not authorized …” message.
In so far as my emails, I switched from my Google email to Gmail some time ago because it appears that my Google account was hacked.
Okay, the issue isn’t just the “dash board” … I just checked the “edit my profile” and got the same message.
Katherine, sorry about the “Lisa” in my prior post. I had read something from Lisa and her name was on my mind. Katherine,I know you’ve corresponded with me via face book and I appreciate your help.But the problem still exists
Honestly, Christian, I don’t buy this “just write your own article u guise” for one second. Given how many of my comments critical of certain ideas are memoryholed by mods (and I am on permanent premod here, I suspect after I tried to counter some blatant censorship of opinions by a senior staff member during the discussion of the Eliot Rodger shooting) – and yet there is at least one commenter here who regularly posts blatant misandry and hateful stereotypes of men. Now, if she’s even on pre-mod like me, and that’s what your mod team lets pass and get… Read more »
Tom,
I assure you, this conversation and the question I asked in this article is not rhetorical. Each week we hold a conference call where editors can discuss site content, future issues to discuss, etc. I plan to attend the call this Friday with the feedback included on this strand. Due to our international audience, an immediate response to these comments is not only impossible but impractical.
I promise, though, that this information will be shared with the editing team.
~Scott
Scott, that’s all I could ask for
Please ban the phrase “check your privilege” from future articles. It has become a mantra for the unthinking, and an excuse to shut down any kind of rational debate. It belongs with other phrases such as, “Mission Accomplished”, “Stay The Course” and “Yes We Can”. Worse, it offers no actual solutions to any given problem.
Wes,
Thank you for this feedback. I will bring it up on the editor call this coming Friday.
~Scott
I have been trying to find the words for a long time to what ‘bugs’ me about GMP
This perfectly describes it , Thanks 8Ball
“It’s become obvious that you’re not interested in improving the lives of men, you’re interested in improving men for the benefit of women”
In other words, if improving men ONLY benefits that man or other men, you aren’t interested, ONLY if it has some benefit to women.
If it were true that GMP’s sole intent was to improve men for the benefit of women, why would we discuss homosexuality? Why would we discuss single fathers?
We are all human beings. If we exploit one gender over the other, we all lose. Men and women are integral to one another’s existence. If we discuss one, even on a site dedicated to men, we must discuss the other.
Probably not GMP’s sole intent, but it may be an overarching or primary intent. why would we discuss homosexuality? The fact that homosexuality is discussed does not refute the allegation of female interests being elevated or primary, even within those supposed discussions which you imply to be separate from female concerns. You had one article which complained about sexism that homosexual men sometimes inflict upon women. Fair enough. And another article that said that if heterosexual men are unwilling to be anally penetrated (pegged) by female sexual partners, then it indicates that those men are possibly homophobic and that they… Read more »
Yes, you discuss homosexuality and single fathers and in most cases, those articles are how they relate to women.
Another good example i think, recently there was a Men conference held in Detroit , not a single article about it on GMP , not a single editor made a comment about , NOTHING.
Jatc, you’re right, I really thought that GMP would have brought something back from the conference that would be relevant to men who read this site.
Many feminists had prejudged it so much that for the GMP to go there, they would have gotten so much flack from the feminists.
At GMP, to be good men, we must be considerate of others. The process and the practice of the reasoning is worth addressing. This isn’t a news site, or an information hub, so much as it is a collection of stories that reflect community. This will ideologically clash with individualists, hence, the site is unapologetically liberal. I write from the opposite view, but I have flaws–I am one of the people who operate with conviction who are caught inside their heads often. I try to use factual, systemic, and often impersonal analysis to get my points across. I think objective… Read more »
Really appreciate your contribution and comments, Michael. Thank you.
~Scott
I recall the kerfuffle over Chik Fil A and the boycott/buycott. Those who turned out because of political figures’ threats to punish wrongthink were addressed thusly: “Admit it. You hate gay people.” Could be just me, but that didn’t help any.
Lisa. Wrt rape. Endless hectoring of non-rapists seems to me to be a waste of time. What about women arming themselves?
I know, I know. WOMEN SHOULDN’T HAVE TO….. Right. So we’re back to endless hectoring of non-rapists.
“shouldn’t have to” and $4 will get you a fancy Starbucks thingy. Or so will $4.
“Women arming themselves” clearly flies in he face of liberalism yet interestingly enough, I saw a clip from “The View” which blew my mind. What started out to be an obvious educational moment for abuse against men, turned into something else.
Gus safety?
“http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/07/30/liberal-ladies-of-the-view-surprise-everyone-trade-the-kool-aid-for-gun-protection-135313”
Correction … should have read “abuse against women.”
Richard, I believe one of the issues here is your ‘Not All Men’ attitude. You are attempting to hijack a mature and reflective conversation about these issues and making it about you. And yes, even though you are supposedly speaking for ‘non-rapists’, you are making the conversation about you. You have become a defender of the defended, and are protector of the protected. My point is that it is unnecessary. Go out and read some articles about ‘Not All Men’ and please, don’t get angry because you might think people are accusing you of something you aren’t guilty of. Just… Read more »
Are you guys sure your question wasn’t rhetorical?
ROFL …. 8ball, thanks
You are attempting to hijack a mature and reflective conversation about these issues and making it about you. The article asked readers if they felt that GMP was shaming them (allegedly non-rhetorically). That would require them to state information about their subjective experience and perception of the GMP and its articles. Any reader’s response to this question would somehow have to be “about” him or her. And if somebody answers “yes” to the question of this article, then supposedly he is immature and self-absorbed. And he should merely immerse himself in ideologically similar material until he realizes the correctness of… Read more »
Glenn, your response of posting the notallmen nonsense on an article asking men if they feel shamed and stereoyped really says it all.
The fact that this is on a men’s site makes the situation even more laughable.
If someone goes onto a woman’s issues site and makes a generalised statement about women need to stop being gold-digging trollops, what sort of a response do you think they would get?
The same should apply here or on any other men’s site, no?
My problem with this site is contrary to your stated aims, there’s nothing new going on here. This is supposed to be a site about men correct? Then why are so many of the articles actually about women? For every article you post about men who are abused by women, there’s several more about men who abuse. When those 200 girls were kidnapped, there were about seven or eight (fairly redundant) articles about it- exactly none about the boys who were *killed* at the same time (or in later attacks.) There are articles about gay men’s misogyny, I’ve yet to… Read more »
I kinda agree with 8ball this. I get this feeling that articles often seem to pander to women or feminist issues and it’s pretty obvious that according to alexa.com there are FAR more women visiting the site and even the facebook nearly always has far far more women commenting than men. Dr Nerdloves articles tend to be a bit this way, you’ll see so many women praise the advice whilst fewer men do. Treating women better is a great thing but I really get this feeling like it’s a one way street. It really feels like women want men to… Read more »
What’s the old saying” Careful what you ask for, you may get it?” So what you asked for and got was how many feel yet you justified what GMP does. Rather then taking a hard look at what readers felt, you didn’t listen and didn’t take responsibility. In the years I’ve been coming to GMP, I’ve seldom seen misandric responses published. But that’s not to say there are none in that not too long ago,when my dash board worked, I was able to see responses that were not allowed. (Note that I have asked repeatedly for GMP to look into… Read more »
Tom, With regards to your specific point: 4) male on female abuse is a common dialogue.Although stats are clearly showing that the numbers of female on male abuse are far closer then thought, GMP continues its unrelenting dialogue regarding male on female abuse. You are aware that this is one of the few media outlets that actually allows male survivors of sexual abuse to share their stories, yes? I just feel like it needs to be said in light of your comments above. I have made mention of female perpetration in my articles, and specifically have referenced the Lara Stemple… Read more »
Do you realize that it’s not? When you move out of the secular world, you will find many outlets, safe places where men are able to talk about such things. And of course there are the infamous MRA’s but I don’t care to talk about them, another can of worms not worth opening. I belong to a couple of groups where I get daily notification of situations where men and boys are abused. I get notification of situations where women who have committed crimes equivalent to what men have done, yet there is little to no media coverage. And you… Read more »
“You are aware that this is one of the few media outlets that actually allows male survivors of sexual abuse to share their stories, yes?
So why is it that those male survivors who once did contribute to GMP have all walked away in disgust at the way they were treated?
Greg, i have to say i am one of the ones in that camp , i saw this on toysoldiers hence when i came here as i long since gave up , my own contribution on my sexual abuse and violent abuse at the hands of my mother and her friends did have as i recall quite a visceral response from many women including one stating that this site was getting more and more anti women every day, i have noticed not just mine but many of the storys of male abuse that doesnt fit feminist narrative have vanished from… Read more »
How do you raise consciousness? How do you become more self aware? How do you become reflective when you’ve always been reactive? When do you step back and consider a different point of view? Is there a significant emotional event that changes your path?
I never thought about “shaming” as a purpose or by-product of GMP. I think about the questions above.
I visit and write for GMP to see what other people think and say about what it means to be a “good man”. It’s a growth opportunity for me. The articles and comments are all over the map and are a great test for ANY person to practice critical thinking. Allowing an article or opinion to “shame me”, “offend me”, “insult me”, or “victimize me” is a very clear indication that *I* have more work to do. In my opinion, a “good man” can use this site to help develop clarity and confidence in his OWN values and his own… Read more »
Steve, you said “The articles and comments are all over the map and are a great test for ANY person to practice critical thinking. Allowing an article or opinion to “shame me”, “offend me”, “insult me”, or “victimize me” is a very clear indication that *I* have more work to do.” It goes without saying, everyone has a lot of work to do in their lives. It’s one thing to identify one of those difficult areas and address them, giving reason to “think” but it’s another to bombard a population of men with the regurgitation of that which has been… Read more »
Hi Tom, No time to attempt responding to all you wrote, but to this – “when a population of people, men and women, are berated, put down and mocked for their values, what do you call it if it’s not “shaming?” My overriding point is that MY value (and one I highly encourage in all others) is that the whole idea of “shaming, insulting, and offending” is a notion that a “good man” can dismiss from his life. We can only FEEL shamed, insulted, or offended if we allow others to do so. If we allow this to happen, I… Read more »
Steve, I understand what you’re saying and if we were to use your logic, there would have been no need for a feminist movement much less a continuation of the movement.Were women being shamed in their roles?MANY women were content with being housewives and mothers but were “shamed” into change. You’re not a real women if you (fill in the blank). I lived through those years and my wife experienced first hand, women trying to shame her into submission. We are now in the same playground where men, who don’t conform to what others see they should be, they are… Read more »
Tom, “We are now in the same playground where men, who don’t conform to what others see they should be, they are shamed,put down, berated. What bothers me is that you can’t see that.” I see what you’re saying, but I disagree. We are not in a new playground. The GMP has nothing new that we haven’t seen for centuries. Men and women have been and will be bombarded from all sides forever – including friends, family, and spouses. I believe the most powerful influence on society is men and women choosing to grin at the noise and model the… Read more »
Tom,
Feminism is not what the stereotype perpetuates it to be.
“Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending a state of equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment.”
Men can be feminists as much as women.
And radical feminism leading to violence or hatred of men is just a damaging as suppressing a feminist voice.
Well Scott, I guess we can respectfully agree to disagree with one another. You’re on one side of the fence and I’m on the other. I’m not a feminist and I never will be. My feelings and beliefs are simply based upon a lot of years of life where I have seen the affects of feminism on men and continue to do so. GMP is a prime example that says the only way is the feminist way. And it’s simply not a camp I care to rest in.
Thank you, Mr. Heydt, for that concise definition. But that seems to be invoking the dictionary definition. When we try to invoke the dictionary definition of certain social movement, institution, or phenomena, we are often told that we are incorrect and that the dictionary definition we presented is inadequate and misleading. For example, some white people invoke some dictionary definition of “racism” as hatred of people because of their race and claim to have suffered “reverse racism” or accuse the Nation of Islam of being racist. But those examples do not count as racism, because we are told the dictionary… Read more »
This comment shows a distinct lack of respect for the intelect of the general population. If you go to you tube and type in feminism you will find litterally hundreds of videos with the contents of your comment.
To assume that despite 50 years of feminism, that the general public don’t ‘know’ what it is, is stupid. To then refer them to a very tired dictionary definition is even stupider. People establish what feminism is, not by what feminists say it is, but by what feminism does.
It would be immensely useful, if disappointing, to drop the term “we” when lamenting one or another failing of other people. It quite clearly means “you”, “all of you”. Lisa. As for strategies to stop issues, shaming those who don’t have them–your readers–and accusing them of vile moral crimes of which they are innocent but…only you can tell they’re guilty, would save on pixels. Also annoyance. It would be like giving men who attend a take back the night rally a hard time about being rapists. The real rapists don’t show up for conscious-raising sessions. So you can’t very well… Read more »