Black Canada Talking™ is a live online event that provides Black Canadians opportunity to give their takes and POVs on stories that are of importance to them.
On today’s edition of Black Canada Talking™, the guests are El Jones, Cesar Ndema-Moussa and Warren Clarke.
Topics of this conversation include:
- White supremacy and systemic racism in the United States and Canada motivate by fear
- Trump and his henchmen
- Transition of [presidential] power
- The international community’s views of the US
- “This is not us” rhetoric
- The common people’s lack of knowledge of socio-political activism
- America’s history of violence
- The insurrectionist’s riot on the Capitol
There’s no way in hell that any African descent person who is screaming “black lives matter” is going to be able to even get on to Capitol Hill…[at] the last black lives matter protest in washington. . . those protesters weren’t even able to get through the gate of the white house. . . they were heavily policed their bodies were treated as villains.[ . .]
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Transcript provided by YouTube (unedited):
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what is up everybody it’s dr
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vibe here host and producer of the award
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winning doctor vibe show
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2020 podcast news and 2018 innovation
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award winner
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given out by the canadian ethnic media
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association i am also
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the host of the only online show for
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dads and fathers in the world
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that is sponsored by dove men care and
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it’s also co-sponsored by
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dad central canada’s national fatherhood
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organization as always i’d like to say
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you’re blessed highly favored a magnet
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for miracles
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and a solution for someone’s problem and
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realize that i’m the host of epic
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conversations and this is the place for
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epic conversations
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we’re broadcasting live on january 10th
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and
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most sundays we have black canada
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talking on and black canada talking is
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back
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to hiatus over the holiday season and
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hope everyone is
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safe and doing the best they can during
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the conversation and realize this is a
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live
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online event that provides black
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canadians to give their
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takes and povs on subjects that are of
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importance to them
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and most of the time we wait till the
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end of the month to have
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our panel on but we haven’t seen them
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for a minute i’ve missed them
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i i don’t i don’t think they miss me at
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all but i miss them and the audience
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misses them so we’ve got
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elle warren and cesar here so let’s
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welcome to the digital stage and let’s
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say hello and welcome
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back so folks oh it’s me first
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joneses ellis here el jones caesar’s
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here
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warren is here this is good and i’m
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going to say this
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publicly miss you all really
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looking forward hope you each had a good
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holiday season
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and looking forward to uh more in right
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enriched enlightened and uplifting and
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amplifying conversations from each one
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of you
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in the new year and uh don’t know what
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more i can say without
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starting to cry you know i just do that
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but it’s great to have you back
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how were everyone’s holidays
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it was good it was good on my side oh my
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mute oh yeah no i’m here no you’re not
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really i
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didn’t see it it was good you know it
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was different with the uh
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covered reality and not being um in the
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presence of family members like yours
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before
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and friends but um you know thank good
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for
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zoom chat and uh skype and facetime and
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those beautiful things
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um kids were still wanting their
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presents because uh
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canada posted going straight so
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there you go thank you
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al cesar how was the holiday season for
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both of you
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um same thing for me not being able to
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see family which is a bit sad because my
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mother
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of course had to leave trinidad when she
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was very young to go to school because
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there was no science for girls at the
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time
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so she left home at like 15 and so one
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of the things
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in adult life is no matter where i’ve
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been in the world she’s always made sure
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that i’m home for christmas because she
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missed so many years with her family so
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this is really the first year
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that i haven’t been able to go home i’ve
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always gone um
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so it’s sad in that sense and i think
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that really affected my mom
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um going through that and i thought i
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think it brought back a lot of that
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kind of trauma but you know i taught her
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how to use zoom which is like was 2020
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from your elderly parents how to use the
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computer um
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so you know we pushed through that and
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other than that i apologize for my
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background i haven’t cleaned and i’m
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like living on the floor
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so i’m sorry everybody about that it’s
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all good hell it’s all good
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it’s a dirty house in the new year
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because it shows that you haven’t put
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your stuff in order
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we’re all just trying to work through it
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and figure it out also no worries
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no worries cesar yourself
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hi dr vibe hi sister l brother warren
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and look in the background representing
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bi media
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and honestly uh very glad to see uh
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all of you and to uh you know get in
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touch again with all our sisters and
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brothers
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worldwide in what truly may seem like
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the 13th month of
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2020 uh if i can’t put it that way no
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um holidays for me were fine um
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i connected further uh with family
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members as
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the notion of family notably in the
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couple
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expands so that’s very welcome i’m very
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glad of that
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uh zoom in the technology being ever
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more present to connect with family
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overseas as this year traveling uh was
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not the smartest idea despite what some
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politicians decided to do
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and um how else can i put it no
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um i’m very um
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optimistic regarding not only the great
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conversation we’re gonna have but
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in uh the work that we all do the
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advocacy we all do for our communities
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and each and eve every one of us that
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this year is gonna be an increase or
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everything that happened last year and
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as such
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i just remind our sisters and brother to
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always pay attention to
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the importance not just of self-care but
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community care
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and as well to keep standing up for our
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people of uh
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our background our shades but truly
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to stand up and always take care of
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themselves
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well put so you know what one of the
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things that’s when you host these you
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always like guests that do
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great segues when you don’t have to do
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segues so when you mention about
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the 13th month of 2020
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after last wednesday i fully agree with
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you it’s like the 13th
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month of 2020. so
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we we have to give each one of you some
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perspectives on
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what the heck happened in washington
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last wednesday
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who wants to start i think we keep our
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usual order
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warren ellie and i go
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[Laughter]
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all right i’m sneaky i’ve been nominated
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to go first well no problem
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i’ll go first there’s so many things to
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say i’m sure the three of us will
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intersect at some point to bring it all
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together
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um and add some you know value of
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information to people’s knowledge
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knowledge exchanges sunday afternoon you
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know thanks for that video oh this is
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new i know we do this okay great
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that’s why we wanted you back yeah so
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you know
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the first thing is uh and i’m gonna use
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a lot of celebrities particularly united
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states who’ve been mentioning
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uh if it were uh african descent people
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there’s no way in hell
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um and i’m gonna be very uh upfront with
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wording here
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uh intentional uh there’s no way in hell
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that
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uh any african descent person uh who is
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screaming black lives matter is going to
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be able to even get on
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to capitol hill to to do that uh we in
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in
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and you know it it’s so um what a
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coincidence uh and a time for this
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to happen in you know less than you know
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four or four months maybe five months
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since the
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last uh um protest of black lives matter
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protest in washington where we noticed
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that you know those protesters weren’t
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even
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able to get through the gate of the
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white house or in congress
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they were heavily policed their bodies
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were
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treated as villains and in regards to
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them trying to
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uh you know seek and scream for
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liberation um and it went on deaf ears
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you know a lot of people died uh in
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comparison to the amount of people who
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died in the
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the riots at uh congress um and we also
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have to think about
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you know how powers is traveling uh
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really like that um that master gardener
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caesar
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you know but we have to realize how
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power is traveling in these moments
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you know power in terms of you know you
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know accessibility to even be on
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on congress to even have this riot uh
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the powers that be
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regardless if someone opened the door
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there was a lot of memes that were going
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around this one funny meme that i’ve
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been watching
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uh you know all all night last night
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just getting a
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a a good chuckle at uh where they they
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let them in
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you know they were they were letting the
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rogers and the and the
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and the the karen’s in um regardless of
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whatever names you want to use and i
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don’t
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i take nothing back in terms of the
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names i’m using um because that’s
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that’s who they were um and in in saying
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that
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uh it just goes to show how united white
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supremacy really is
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you know i i’m throwing a lot of a lot
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of things going uh
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going on this i guess my little rant
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here because i’ve been thinking about
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this for
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for some time now you know this wasn’t
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this wasn’t a
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hey you know what let’s just get up one
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day and go to congress
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this was planned uh regardless if it was
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trump leading the show
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there was there was there was different
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uh there was other people
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uh who were allowing this to happen um
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in congress and these were politicians
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uh these are police officers these are
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security guards
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now we noticed that there was the police
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officers opening the fence for the um
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for for people uh to or these rioters to
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get on to congress
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we were even we even noticed that you
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know they were helping
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you know these these rioters down the
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steps and holding their hands
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making sure that they’re they’re
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comfortable you know this just goes to
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show how deep white supremacy really is
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you know and that’s why we can’t as
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advocates and educators
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we cannot let off the the pedal when
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we’re advocating for our rights we can’t
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because this is an example that they’re
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not letting off the pedal
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and they’re they’ve been going full
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steam ahead for the last 400 years plus
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you know we have to consider what our
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bodies mean in these moments
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we can’t just take a you know um
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abdirahman abdi
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or a george floyd and say okay well yeah
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it happened and move on
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no we you know when we do that and we
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just set the tone of moving
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on we are also telling white supremacy
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hey we’ve forgotten about it
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so they can now continue their their
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march which they’ve been doing
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strategically you know look at the
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education system look at the jail
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systems
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look at you know you know different
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systems of institutions
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that are entrenched for white supremacy
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and and money you know this is
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this is definitely capitalism at its
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best as well
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you know this is definitely
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neoliberalism as best as well
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this is definitely white supremacy so we
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have to consider why we’re having these
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conversations and how we’re going to
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mobilize
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you know particularly african descent
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people not to ign not to
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not acknowledge indigenous peoples
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particularly in canada who are facing
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extreme measures of social pressure you
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know
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there’s no water in certain parts of
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ontario for indigenous peoples
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right now the priorities
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in these wet in our western societies is
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completely
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um uh uh um
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out of whack our priorities is to ensure
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white supremacy
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is upheld at all times and we’ve seen
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that at congress and we’re seeing that
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here in canada
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you know we’re seeing that around the
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world so i know i’ve added
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a lot there and i’m not going to dom
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anymore because i would like to hear
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what ellen caesar has to say so i really
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appreciate me going first thanks caesar
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for
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nominating go ahead you’re never never
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dominating you’re always worried about
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dominating and you’re never dominating
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you’re always providing analysis thank
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you
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um just to add to that i think we can’t
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ignore as well that this white
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supremacist backlash within the context
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of 24 hours less than 24 hours earlier
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of course
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uh georgia was shifted to the democrat
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due to the black vote
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and we know that this kind of backlash
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and we can obviously debate and have
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debated on this show
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already we had you know that big
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discussion with um people from america
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about what the election meant that we
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had after election day
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but one of the things obviously we saw
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in georgia is how the power shifted to
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the black community in that vote
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um do people like stacey abrams doing a
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really successful get out the vote not
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here and i don’t think we can ignore
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that contract for why
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white supremacists sell out in a
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particular force the next day on capitol
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hill it’s not only because
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trump called right it’s a particular
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show of power um it’s interesting of
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course how
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people immediately get claims to
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innocence or excuse
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see if all these people say well you
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can’t ignore like the dynamic and
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economic anxiety and like they’re not
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wearing
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a 15 minimum wage now they’re wearing
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shirts that say like
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six million wasn’t enough and they’re
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flying confederate flags right like
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this isn’t about economic anxiety if it
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was an economic anxiety march
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then we would see banners that reflected
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you know calls
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free wages you know more wages calls to
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the supreme court to give workers over
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time and
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that’s certainly not what they were
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marching for and if people have pointed
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out the confederate flat battle flag
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made it further into the capital than
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it’s ever made it
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like even like during the civil war
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right so these kind of symbols which is
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also really interesting we have people
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that on the one hand claim patriot
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and on the other hand are flying
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seditious flags of the south
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you know that quite literally of course
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um
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lost the war against america so it’s
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also really interesting um
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how one in one breath you’ve got this
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claim of america usa usa
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usa and on the other hand this
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investment in these symbols that are
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like fundamentally anti-american
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um some people have pointed out that the
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last time you saw this kind of violence
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on the floor of these buildings was in
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fact the beating of
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um what’s his name the guy that was the
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anti-slavery senator from missouri
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um who got caned almost to death by
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preston brooks set up by like
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pro-slavery democrats right
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um so he had made a speech about slavery
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in particular talking about rape during
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enslavement and really emphasizing
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how depraved sexually slavery was and
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that the southern people took so much
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offense that they
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beat the sh out of him and nearly killed
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him on the floor
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while other people ran interference so
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that draws connections to what warren is
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also
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is here and like every time you see this
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violence there’s a consistency the
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confederate flag beating people for
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being anti-slavery and then of course in
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2021
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uh coming out flying like swastikas
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flying confederate flags
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um and before the last thing i’ll do is
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i fell down the deep rabbit hole of
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pro-trump
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media so i’ve been reading all their
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sites which is a really really
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interesting rabbit hole um
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which is also really interesting because
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when it’s convenient blm slash line
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people got talked about as
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like organized violent army of people
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that are like
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globally in control of the world and
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like blm’s like 98 percent like teachers
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and like ordinary people wearing a shirt
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that’s like what a protest but like
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when it’s convenient for them they
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imagine blm as this like
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jack booted like fully malicious like
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armed movement that they’re standing
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against
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that’s interesting but they can’t decide
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if it’s antifa that did it
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or if they did it so that’s really
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interesting because then they’re like
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don’t
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fame this like great patriot by saying
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she was antifa she was a patriot
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but then also um but full of
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conspiracies that people
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trump has been kidnapped by the military
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and is being flown around on military
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planes to different
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bunkers um because like someone said
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i’ll march with you some of them feel
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betrayed that he didn’t march with them
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but then other people are like that’s
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because he’s being kidnapped by the
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military and his family can’t like speak
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out so that’s really interesting
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and then you also so it’s really
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interesting like looking at the ways
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that like
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so some people are now saying the woman
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who died ashley barrett was a plant and
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it’s a false flag
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so it’s it’s actually very frightening
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as well as sort of funny but frightening
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to see how
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in these radicalized spaces um this
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discourse like how they explain
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and talk to themselves about this is
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really frightening right that
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they believe they’re winning they
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believe that trump is still with them
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they believe that he’s still going to be
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inaugurated they believe that you know
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the military is going to come through
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for them
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um you know and then you also have these
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posts of people
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saying oh i’m on my way back from
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washington and like where they are so
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it’s like i
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i recommend reading their stuff it’s
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it’s like actually a really
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frightening one on like right now
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but um yeah i don’t know the other thing
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is that what we also have to be careful
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of because obviously this has nothing to
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do with us as black people we weren’t
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present but in the laws that were going
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to be passed in the aftermath we know
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those are going to rebound on us
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so you know they’re talking about
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domestic terrorism but we know they’ll
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never take white people seriously the
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fact that they were able to organize
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openly for months not on twitter but on
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like parley or whatever that place is
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that they have parlor i don’t know how
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you say it
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um gab you know they have their own
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media the donald dot win you know they
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have their own places where they were in
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the open you know calling farms
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correction calling to hang mike pence
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calling to kill traders calling to set
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up guillotines and they were allowed to
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do
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all that completely uninterrupted and
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then show up in washington
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completely uninterrupted and then be led
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into the capital and direct into
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people’s offices you know
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um so like yeah i mean it’s not to do
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with us but as they pass laws then we
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know it’ll be like the next one of us
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that hashtag something like
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acab will be the ones facing 10 years
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not them so i think
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as appalled and horrified as we are by
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this as we should be by this like
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demonstration of
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you know the open violent white privacy
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of america i think we also have to be
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careful
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at the opportunism of the other people
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that know the neo-liberal powers which
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include the democratic party as well
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that are capitalizing on this to pass a
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bunch of repressive laws
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um that will i think ultimately impact
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black people the most they they want to
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take us
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out they want to get rid of
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environmental they want to get rid of
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blm they want to get rid of
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anti-capitalist people
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and we should be very very careful about
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the laws that will be passed
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supposedly about these crackers because
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it’s not going to be them
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that they’ll throw the book at like some
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symbolic members of them but overall
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long term that’s going to be our privacy
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our rights
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um our communications our ability to
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organize everything that’s going to be
18:39
hit by this
18:40
so as you were we weren’t present we
18:42
have nothing to do with it but
18:43
in the end long term the brunt is going
18:45
to be on us and i think we have to be
18:46
very vigilant
18:47
of the kind of losing that’s going to
18:48
come out of this so sorry i talked
18:50
really long as well
18:51
sorry okay you guys haven’t you guys
18:53
haven’t been on for a bit there’s a lot
18:55
to
18:55
just let alone this instant there’s a
18:57
lot to catch up on so
18:59
yeah so you know you know the last i
19:01
wanted this uh sorry cesaro i don’t mean
19:02
to
19:03
take your shine away but you know you
19:04
know i’ll mention something that’s very
19:06
important though
19:06
we all need to recognize i think in in
19:08
regards to um
19:10
how they’re able to mobilize you know
19:12
this was strategic this
19:13
they were doing this in the open um and
19:15
we have to you have to consider that
19:17
um you know considering that trump was
19:19
able to you know tweet
19:21
for four years the way he was able to do
19:23
you know they’re able to organize as
19:24
i’ll mention online
19:26
with no disruption right like this is
19:28
this is not just a group saying hey
19:30
let’s get together and just us
19:31
there’s more people that’s aware what’s
19:34
going on
19:34
and they’re allowing them to do this so
19:37
we have to we have to consider that as
19:39
well there’s
19:40
there’s the the main group and then
19:41
there’s there’s subgroups that are are
19:43
participating
19:44
in the and they push for this white
19:46
supremacy uh movement that we’re seeing
19:48
so sorry i just wanted to just
19:49
acknowledge that
19:50
quickly yeah they’ve been uh exposed on
19:53
the dark money the republican money that
19:55
went into this that funded the
19:56
co-sponsors and it’s not fringe stuff
19:58
this is as warren’s pointing out this is
20:00
mainstream like
20:01
the republic the attorney general
20:03
republican attorney general society
20:05
like the people that were there state
20:06
legislators that guy from west virginia
20:08
that was
20:09
into the state legislature and has a
20:11
history of harassing
20:12
an attacking woman at abortion clinics
20:15
so much so that a judge
20:16
passed an injunction on him being like
20:18
your violent lasting in a stalker which
20:20
in west virginia you have to be pretty
20:21
serious if a republican judge is going
20:23
to be censoring you
20:24
so he was allowed to be elected to you
20:26
know the state senate and then
20:28
washington these are air force veterans
20:30
those are
20:31
you know police officers you i don’t
20:33
know if you saw the story where a bunch
20:34
of police forces are now investigating
20:36
what their officers were present because
20:38
the capitol police said people show them
20:39
their military and police badges
20:41
and we’ve long known that the military
20:43
and the police are sites of white
20:44
supremacy so
20:45
i won’t take any more time but juar
20:47
makes a really important point that
20:48
everybody’s now scrambling to pretend
20:50
it’s just a fringe group of
20:51
wackos um and saying you know it’s just
20:53
white trash it’s just rednecks it’s just
20:55
hillbillies but it isn’t
20:56
it’s powerful people people who are were
20:59
and are within the mainstream of the
21:00
republican party and everyone’s throwing
21:02
up their hands and saying oh no
21:03
no it wasn’t us it wasn’t me but it was
21:05
them and we can’t let people get away
21:07
with that either just pretending that it
21:08
was just some bad apples as always
21:10
happens when white people commit
21:11
violence it’s always bad
21:14
cesar what can i say in my brother
21:18
warren and my sister l said it all
21:20
they they’re 100 correct i mean
21:23
i’m going to give a few uh different
21:26
perspective but uh
21:28
because this is really the hypocrisy of
21:32
america uh it’s moral hypocrisy but also
21:36
institutional and so-called claim of
21:39
democracy
21:40
and freedom uh you know in plain sight
21:44
for all to see and when i say ah
21:46
i include our sisters and brothers
21:49
who wish they could wake up white one
21:51
day aka the candace owens
21:53
and too many other race traders among us
21:56
in the claim of free thinking what i
22:00
mean by this
22:01
uh what happened on the capital is still
22:04
shine from what happened in georgia the
22:07
first black senator
22:09
but also a jewish senator in
22:13
a state with such history of racism
22:16
of lynching blacks but also killing jews
22:21
if i can give before we go too much
22:24
further
22:24
a canadian perspective we also have to
22:27
be
22:27
careful uh the fact that this happened
22:30
really shows the systemic racism in all
22:34
institutions of the united states
22:36
the participation of police because
22:40
when you have this is not a matter of
22:42
secret
22:43
services how are you going to explain
22:45
that me here
22:46
in canada i knew about january 6
22:49
just from being online there are plenty
22:53
of people were fully new
22:55
and yet there was a lack of preparation
22:57
from the police
22:58
and as such complicity from
23:02
opening gates to selfies yes a police
23:05
officer got killed
23:07
yes we saw a video of one wobble crush
23:09
but
23:10
quite simply as even someone has joe
23:14
biden recognizing
23:15
i’m not using joe biden as a proof of
23:17
what i’m saying
23:18
all of us black people but also
23:21
indigenous people
23:22
and people of color fully knew if these
23:25
were black people
23:26
or indigenous people it would have been
23:28
a bloodbath
23:29
that also would have been justified with
23:32
none of these
23:33
cops or military being jailed for it
23:36
but because they were white because you
23:39
know these are the
23:40
cairns and the cans they got the doors
23:43
open for them
23:44
all the way to carry the lecture of
23:47
nancy pelosi
23:49
but we must not lose focus on the
23:51
canadian element which is that
23:53
right here in canada we have people like
23:55
the gavin mcginnis
23:57
aka co-founder of the proud boys he’s
24:00
canadian
24:01
we have faith goldie but we also have a
24:04
certain
24:05
maxim bernier aka trump of the north
24:09
we have all these elements right here in
24:11
the canadian society
24:12
that dream of nothing more but to take
24:15
things one step further
24:17
than a certain area no two aka
24:20
there’s no racism in the conservative
24:22
party look at the back of the
24:24
elected people the cabinet and deny
24:27
systemic criticism as a certain
24:29
prime minister by the name of francois
24:31
lugo in quebec
24:33
so all the elements for the same
24:36
situation
24:37
are here and when i say here let’s be
24:39
honest
24:40
a certain alexandre bissonette will
24:42
shock people in the mosque
24:44
that’s here in canada but at the same
24:46
time when we look at the indigenous
24:48
issues regarding the fisheries in nova
24:50
scotia that’s here in canada
24:53
we don’t need to go through the names of
24:55
the list such as the abdirahman abdi
24:57
we all know the systemic criticism
24:59
that’s right here and the denial that
25:01
happens when it’s white people
25:02
who are even caught on camera aka
25:06
a certain justice kelly in the case of
25:07
abdi ahmad abdi
25:09
saying that the burden of proof was not
25:11
sufficient
25:12
despite the fact of we all know if this
25:14
was a black police officer
25:16
who had killed a white man such as abdi
25:19
was killed that black police officer
25:21
would have been condemned
25:23
to go further what i really liked about
25:25
the situation
25:26
is uh how ironic it must be for african
25:29
dictators
25:30
aka those people from the [ __ ]
25:32
countries
25:33
to see how america is indeed a [ __ ]
25:36
country
25:37
by the very standard
25:40
no i don’t believe america is a [ __ ]
25:42
country but when someone
25:44
trump says it he’s handling of the
25:46
coronavirus
25:48
social issues you know everybody is you
25:50
know they’re
25:52
basically fine boys to kind of not
25:55
lose the support of the white
25:56
supremacists so
25:58
when you see all of these elements and
26:00
you finally see what happened wednesday
26:02
uh it was long time for seeing this is
26:05
2021 aka charlottesville 2016
26:09
where uh that young a white ally got
26:12
killed
26:13
dylan roof ellen roof this this was so
26:16
predictable so
26:17
it’s a full failure of the system it’s a
26:20
further exposure if it was even needed
26:23
it’s the first
26:24
osha of the system of his biases and
26:27
as such i’m sorry russia and china are
26:30
right to make fun of the us
26:32
but one of the things i must say
26:35
this must be a good listen for us as
26:37
black people we don’t need it
26:38
we already knew that it would be
26:41
different but a good lesson for us
26:44
to stand up even more proud to not
26:47
as warren was saying to never give up
26:51
to never think things are better to not
26:53
wait for the next
26:54
hashtag because the next tag can be each
26:57
and any one of us
27:00
nice the president of zimbabwe tweeted
27:03
i was like well obviously you guys
27:05
should stop interfering in our elections
27:07
because like and so
27:10
and like people in bolivia like the one
27:13
thing that’s been so galling for the us
27:14
is how they really love to believe that
27:16
there’s still this shining
27:17
or wherever the shining light of
27:19
democracy around the world and getting
27:20
trolled by like everybody in that
27:23
country i saw two memes that really
27:25
spoke very well also
27:27
to what you’re saying uh er i saw one
27:30
meme
27:30
of the iraqi army on pennsylvania
27:34
avenue coming to protect the freedom of
27:36
americans
27:38
of osama bin laden saying you mean i
27:40
could have just come to the front door
27:45
the guy in the horns in the someone’s
27:47
like truth auntie is sleeping with this
27:49
man
27:51
no it’s sad you know when you think
27:53
there are people that and i’m gonna say
27:55
this i cannot give my sympathy
27:57
to uh that karen who died not because i
28:00
celebrate her death but because i know
28:02
far too well the people who were there
28:05
there are no there feeling sorry
28:07
for our people when they get killed by
28:09
those white cops you know the famous
28:10
blue lives matter people
28:12
the white lives matter people uh uh
28:14
there’s a sister by the name of nebo in
28:17
l.a what got harassed by one of those
28:19
crowds yes i saw that
28:21
i saw that and a quick reminder because
28:25
i promised myself not to forget to say
28:26
her name
28:28
mariam kerry 2013 shot 18 times
28:33
as she had a traffic infrastructure in
28:36
front
28:37
of the white house she ran away the fear
28:40
we know about the trauma of black people
28:42
dealing police through the chase the end
28:44
of the chase was her being shot
28:46
18 times with her baby in the back seat
28:51
so we completely see her white supremacy
28:55
treats very differently the infractions
28:58
of black people
29:01
the name of justice are motivated by
29:03
fear
29:05
to survive versus the infraction of
29:07
whites
29:08
in this case people who are not
29:10
accepting the results of an election
29:13
people who willfully got manipulated and
29:16
i say willfully because
29:17
you will notice all of these uh white
29:19
supremacists who are being arrested
29:21
the interviews are being made to the
29:22
family and friends saying they got
29:24
radicalized
29:26
through trump and their allies so trump
29:28
just as his
29:29
henchmen you know hitler and the
29:31
henchmen that show on his channel
29:33
trump and his henchmen they deserve to
29:35
go to jail
29:37
they deserve to go to jail the question
29:40
is will they though
29:41
well this is the test of white supremacy
29:45
well i don’t think it’s a test i i you
29:47
know it
29:48
we’ve been seeing this for years right
29:50
like this is
29:52
i think the testing is is now done
29:54
respectfully said not to ignore
29:55
what you’re what you’re alluding to um
29:58
caesar like
29:59
this is just the beginning you know i
30:01
think what we need to
30:03
really pay attention to is the transfer
30:06
of power in that country
30:08
right how is biden going to respond to
30:10
this
30:11
as a new uh incoming president he’s
30:14
responded as the
30:15
electoral president saying he’s uh
30:18
denounced the actions of
30:20
of white supremacy and and and you know
30:23
i’m paraphrasing
30:24
obviously um he has mentioned that if it
30:26
were black folk this would be in a
30:28
different
30:29
situation but as the sitting president
30:32
next week or two weeks from now
30:34
what is going to be his response to this
30:36
you know
30:37
i mean what is going to be the
30:39
actionable items that he’s going his
30:42
administration
30:43
is going to put in place for this not to
30:45
happen
30:46
again that’s what we need to be focusing
30:48
on if
30:49
in terms of testing let’s test what’s
30:51
going to happen
30:52
i i want to add to i want to get two
30:54
other things with warren said first of
30:56
all
30:56
who knows what’s going to happen between
30:58
now and inauguration day
31:01
right because something tells me there’s
31:04
another thing to come
31:06
yeah and also and another partner
31:09
i know and another thing too is the way
31:12
that and i don’t say his name i just
31:14
call him 45
31:15
the way that he has put so many judges
31:18
who are republican-based
31:20
in the american judicial system he’s
31:23
one he’s one
31:27
right he’s got all the people he has in
31:29
place plus he’s got
31:30
70 million people who like him
31:34
you know i’d like to add something right
31:36
there dr biden said something is very
31:38
very
31:38
very important for us to recognize right
31:42
he has injected himself into the system
31:45
for years to come years has anybody
31:48
seen the dark knight with the joker all
31:51
right
31:52
this is exactly what the joker did in
31:55
the dark knight
31:57
trump is the joker in our reality
32:01
that’s what has happened if you pay
32:04
attention to that movie which is one of
32:06
my favorite movies by the way
32:07
the joker set everybody up
32:10
he set up harvey dent to be the fallen
32:14
white knight
32:15
and be this criminal and if that was to
32:18
happen in the movie
32:19
then all chaos would have started batman
32:22
knew that jim gordon knew that
32:24
they all knew it so that’s why even
32:26
after harvey had died
32:28
two-face they had to cover it up his
32:30
actions his
32:31
his dark actions up and again
32:34
hence the reason why he went to hiding
32:36
if you paid attention to that movie
32:38
trump did the same thing even though he
32:41
was coming out
32:42
he didn’t want to come out but he
32:44
injected himself into the system
32:46
his ideology that’s what i mean not
32:48
himself physically
32:49
his ideology into the system by playing
32:52
putting players in certain places and
32:55
writing laws
32:56
that even if they wanted to untangle
32:58
those laws it’d be
33:00
it’d be very difficult for them to do
33:02
right that’s right
33:04
so we need to understand again what the
33:06
white settler colonial moments are
33:09
doing to us and continues to do to us
33:11
it’s deep entrenched into our education
33:14
into our politics
33:15
and this is trump’s with a way of of
33:17
deepening that injection
33:19
into the american political scene
33:22
i just got one more quick thing i’m
33:24
going to jump out because usually i
33:25
don’t get involved but i
33:26
want to just lay some other things one
33:28
of the words that us
33:30
as black people use a lot is legacy
33:33
right legacy 45
33:37
has made sure his legacy is going to
33:39
last for hundreds of years
33:41
oh yeah 100 100 look at he’s got
33:44
republicans on the supreme court
33:47
he’s got it way to that so i and and he
33:51
the gall of republican senators saying
33:53
they’re trying to separate
33:55
the action with him they’re all the same
33:59
they’re all the same when and i want to
34:02
get each one of your thoughts when you
34:03
hear
34:04
americans say this is not us what do you
34:07
have to say to them
34:09
well please go ahead because
34:14
like what’s ironic funny horrifying on
34:17
all of this of course
34:18
is you get these very serious editorials
34:20
being written like this will dent our
34:22
world standing and now we won’t be a
34:23
light of democracy for the world and i’m
34:25
like did you miss the whole part where
34:26
you’ve interfered with like
34:27
cia have killed our leaders you’ve
34:30
integrated our elections you’ve
34:31
destabilized our economies you
34:33
blocked our trade you know so there’s a
34:35
delusional so i mean this is what
34:38
someone wants said the best war is one
34:39
and you can hate both sides like i
34:41
somewhat feel this way about this one
34:43
like
34:43
you know you’re very critical obviously
34:45
of these white supremacists storming the
34:46
capital
34:47
but also then like the mendacity the
34:49
cowardice of the people
34:51
that are the mainstream in the party
34:52
that now want to disown those people
34:54
and then act like there is this idea of
34:56
america that they cling to
34:58
you know as though they didn’t spend the
35:00
summer brutalizing and tear-gassing
35:02
protesters
35:03
um you know if they didn’t use the
35:04
military to clear a path
35:06
to trump so he could go fake pray at a
35:08
church with an upside down bible
35:09
you know like as though those things are
35:11
disconnected now that everyone’s like
35:12
this moment what a shock you know um and
35:16
of course it’s all of one america’s
35:18
violent political history i think the
35:20
other thing you really see
35:21
that’s concerning and it’s on on all
35:22
sides but a particular politics of
35:24
nihilism right that
35:25
people don’t really believe they can get
35:28
change so
35:29
people don’t really want to organize for
35:31
change and i think we’re living in this
35:32
age on
35:33
all sides i’m very exemplified by social
35:35
media at the same time as this was going
35:37
down and i’m not doing horseshoe theory
35:38
what i’m trying to say the left is
35:40
right what i’m saying is that there are
35:42
symptoms
35:43
of people’s political engagement so if i
35:45
don’t if you followed forced the vote
35:47
that was going on in the left of people
35:48
trying to get the squad to not vote for
35:50
nancy pelosi
35:51
and hold a floor vote for medicare for
35:54
all
35:54
in return basically for like allowing
35:56
her to be speaker and it didn’t happen
35:58
it just came off
35:58
like people started jimmy door and
36:00
others started doing it on twitter but
36:01
what was really interesting about it
36:03
is you got people whose entire politics
36:05
and i’m not debating the strategy of the
36:07
thing or that i’m saying that there was
36:08
this interesting
36:09
thing would be like well now we’ve
36:10
exposed the flood you know now we know
36:13
they’re fake and their sellouts and
36:14
their frauds i’m like and what what does
36:15
that mean for you
36:16
what does exposing people mean and then
36:18
you’re seeing the same thing on the
36:19
right where they’re like
36:20
no no trump was playing 3d chess because
36:22
he exposed the pence was a traitor now
36:24
and i’m like
36:25
okay so you know pence is a traitor like
36:28
now what you know and i think for a lot
36:30
of people
36:31
that especially because so much of our
36:33
politics being done on social media
36:34
people don’t
36:35
actually know what to do because we live
36:37
in these times this goes to our year
36:39
wrap up right where people have
36:40
like lost their businesses lost their
36:42
homes you know we’re locked down
36:44
like the neoliberal consensus the loss
36:46
of jobs and i’m not
36:47
using that sex people white diplomacy
36:49
i’m saying that we badly as a world are
36:51
going to need to organize
36:52
and because people don’t know how to do
36:54
that people go into this direction i
36:56
think that’s a very hopeless direction
36:57
which is like
36:59
all we can do is sort of scream about it
37:01
but we don’t know what we’re going to do
37:03
to fix it and i think you’re very much
37:04
seeing that i think a lot of us going on
37:06
in america is really just people
37:08
don’t believe in anything like this so
37:09
they’re believing in like cult figures
37:11
and
37:11
this conspiracy so i watched a whole
37:13
video last night like the q anon
37:14
conspiracy
37:15
where it’s literally like like trump
37:18
this the q guy will be like watch what
37:21
trump says about the military then
37:22
inevitably trump will make a speech
37:23
where he mentions the military
37:25
and then they’ll do like this number
37:26
thing where they’re like he said the
37:27
military at like you know minute
37:29
13 in the speech so that means on the
37:32
13th
37:32
day he’s going to call it’s like almost
37:36
like this mystic
37:37
like numerology where you can like twist
37:39
anything to make it
37:40
become something that you can now
37:42
believe in so they’re saying that his
37:43
concession speech when he said like a
37:44
smooth
37:45
orderly and secure transition of power
37:46
he’s saying s-o-s so he’s sending a
37:48
message to them
37:50
that they need to you know and i’m like
37:51
there’s something going on here where
37:53
people need that
37:54
like when you need to believe in this
37:56
figure and need to constantly believe
37:58
like
37:58
you’d rather pick up all the speech for
38:00
which word is here
38:02
and what it might secretly mean than
38:03
like organized against your
38:05
like congress person until i got a check
38:07
you know um
38:09
so yeah i mean that was a long answer
38:11
but no i mean america’s always being
38:13
violent
38:13
this is the the actual face of america
38:16
um and what’s sort of gross and where i
38:18
guess i do feel for the patriots like
38:20
is the patriots you know the the
38:22
insurrectionist is how thoroughly they
38:24
then got abandoned by the same people
38:25
who used exploited called them there
38:27
and then when they realized they were a
38:29
liability how quickly they got thrown
38:31
overboard but they won’t learn a lesson
38:32
from that you know
38:34
but like they’re still diehards you know
38:36
and it’s like
38:37
sad in that sense like how people in
38:38
power use the people
38:40
you know the cynical cynical
38:42
opportunistic holly and cruz yale and
38:44
harvard educated lawyers
38:46
you know what i mean they know this
38:47
stuff isn’t true and they
38:49
go along with it because they want to
38:50
get voted in and they believe they need
38:52
this particular base
38:53
and they’re happy for people to die and
38:55
they’re happy for people to lose their
38:56
livelihoods and families and people to
38:58
be radicalized and people
38:59
to commit violence are happy for all of
39:01
that if it gets them you know a little
39:03
bit more power
39:04
and that’s where i guess i have some
39:06
empathy for some of these people because
39:07
i’m like
39:08
obviously they would run me over the car
39:10
as soon as look at me
39:11
but like when you think about how
39:13
disgusting it is that people they trust
39:15
and look up to
39:16
and really believe was saving them from
39:19
something like the abortionists and the
39:21
marxists and the blm
39:22
and all of this and call those people so
39:24
cynically are like come here
39:26
oh no now you’re liabilities were all
39:27
going to denounce you
39:29
like they can’t even they don’t even
39:31
have the courage to support their own
39:32
people
39:32
you know they don’t eat like when when
39:34
our people get shot we stand with them
39:37
you know we don’t denounce them and like
39:39
you know they can
39:40
now they’re saying their own people that
39:41
got killed were false flags because they
39:43
couldn’t even own the thing they were
39:44
doing and i think that that says
39:45
something really sad too and this is a
39:47
really long answer i’ll shut up okay now
39:49
and by apologizing to talking
39:53
um no doctor viber
39:56
look elf said it so well america has
39:59
always been violent
40:00
america you know when the events are
40:03
wednesday
40:04
when some notably journalists as on cnn
40:08
but even um i mean i like him
40:12
personality wise uh former governor and
40:15
uh
40:16
of course mr olympia arnold
40:18
schwarzenegger said this is not the
40:20
america
40:21
and then you have others such as
40:23
european leaders this is not the america
40:25
we know it’s a lie
40:26
this is the america as it is america’s
40:29
every country from canada to brazil
40:31
has been created upon the genocide of
40:34
indigenous people
40:36
and the enslavement and systemic racism
40:39
of black people
40:40
along any uh racism as through
40:42
immigration
40:43
of people of color i mean this is the
40:45
same america where
40:47
patriots 1776 they kept
40:50
my people our people black people
40:53
of every shade
40:56
in slavery for about 90 years
41:00
and when the civil war happened
41:03
abraham lincoln did not end this did not
41:05
do the civil war because of some great
41:07
morality about black people abraham
41:10
lincoln was a segregationist
41:12
it always makes me laugh when i see uh
41:14
photos when i say laugh
41:16
understand it’s in sadness when i see
41:18
photos of uh
41:19
you know well-meaning brothers and
41:20
sisters take photos next to abraham
41:22
lincoln
41:23
not knowing that the men clearly viewed
41:24
black people as inferior
41:26
it’s just that economically talking
41:28
slavery was no longer sustainable
41:30
in the mid-19th century of the
41:32
industrial age
41:33
that’s it that’s all america has always
41:36
been violent
41:37
i mean this is the same america where uh
41:40
basically no no i’m gonna get
41:42
controversial here because
41:44
we know how in the black community there
41:45
are three people that you are not
41:47
allowed to criticize
41:48
aka uh jesus or allah
41:51
beyonce or michael jackson and barack
41:54
and michelle obama but let’s be honest
41:56
the first uh black president
41:59
skin color you know trevor martin and
42:03
mike brown died under his presidency
42:05
and he didn’t do much for black america
42:07
in the same sense that he still bombed
42:09
uh he he bombed africa for false reasons
42:12
which were clearly imperialistic reasons
42:14
aka gaddafi and the mess that he has
42:16
created today
42:18
all over western africa such as boko
42:20
haram because
42:21
those weapons are from libya america is
42:24
a history of violence
42:26
i am not insulting that nation i believe
42:28
there are great things
42:30
to celebrate about america i am an
42:32
african-born
42:33
uh european educated european raised
42:38
parents brought into america and i have
42:40
a lot of american
42:42
culture in me especially black american
42:44
culture
42:45
however we need to have that honest
42:47
conversation
42:48
in terms of what is the history the
42:51
politics
42:52
the economics and the society of america
42:56
and the americas from canada to brazil
42:58
from the lands of black people
43:01
it is basically the story of
43:04
marginalization oppression violence
43:07
exclusion that very history that
43:10
explains
43:12
why kovi 19 disproportionately affects
43:16
and kills black people from canada as in
43:20
toronto
43:21
to brazil passing by the united states
43:26
america is an empire so allow me to give
43:28
you
43:29
true to my name cesar an example of what
43:32
america is
43:33
some people uh and i heard this from
43:35
some journalists
43:36
to compare donald trump to nero aka rome
43:39
burning
43:40
and uh rome the u.s the capital burning
43:43
and
43:44
donald trump watching it on tv if not he
43:47
would have been on the golf course
43:48
in lago but before nero there was a
43:52
caligula
43:53
before trump there was a nixon however
43:57
after nero there was a commodus como
44:00
just aka
44:00
gladiator the movie there was a commodus
44:03
imagine
44:04
what’s gonna come after trump because as
44:07
i said in a cbc interview two years ago
44:09
uh in 2018 and this may offend some
44:13
people
44:13
but that’s okay let’s be constructive in
44:16
our thinking here
44:17
donald trump is the best thing that has
44:20
happened in terms of race relations
44:22
for a very very very very long time
44:25
because his racism his discrimination is
44:29
so
44:29
in your face that you have to take sides
44:32
and yes
44:33
we have seen some black celebrities go
44:35
for photo ops
44:36
and justify whatever reason by which
44:39
they’re standing by him
44:40
we have heard the republicans praise the
44:43
fact that they’ve never gotten
44:44
such high minority slash black vote
44:48
but you see when republicans are talking
44:50
about the fact that the elections were
44:52
fair
44:53
it’s another way of saying too many
44:54
black people voted
44:56
they did not succeed in voter uh voters
44:59
uh
45:00
limitation information voter suppression
45:03
and for this
45:04
success to our sister stacy abrams
45:08
but also her sister who is a judge judge
45:11
gardner abrams
45:12
who was not nominated by the republicans
45:15
we need to show that support
45:17
to our grassroots movement that stood up
45:20
that kept fighting that didn’t give up
45:22
in 2016.
45:23
imagine in 2016 if we had 500 or 5 000
45:27
or 50 000 black people
45:29
going to walk on the capitol because
45:31
this racist person donald trump aka
45:34
since the 70s regarding uh housing
45:37
discrimination
45:38
in the 80s 90s the exile narrated five
45:42
birthing regarding obama this man has a
45:44
long history of racism
45:46
so the populists that he is
45:49
aka anything for donald what just
45:52
happened
45:53
is just a reflection of empire just has
45:55
happened in rome
45:56
just has happened in nazi germany so
45:59
this
45:59
is just a step further into the fall of
46:03
america
46:04
because every empire falls donald trump
46:07
just
46:07
advanced the fall of america by a few
46:10
years maybe decades
46:11
for all that he succeeded in
46:13
implementing himself into the system
46:17
just bringing further the fall of
46:18
america that’s all it is
46:20
more than anything else you want to add
46:22
before we do a recap of 2021
46:26
you know i think i think yeah um
46:30
i i would like to encourage the three of
46:32
us or four of us
46:33
to chat about what we should do
46:38
uh as as african descent
46:41
or caribbean black however term you
46:44
respectfully want to
46:45
side with what can we do to be vigilant
46:47
this coming year i think
46:49
we we do a great job in reciting
46:52
what’s going on in the public eye we do
46:55
a great job
46:56
in reciting historical facts with the
46:58
four of us we do
46:59
we do that amazingly and one thing i
47:01
want us to really encourage
47:03
is what can we give people in this
47:05
moment right now for them to take on
47:07
and reflect and put it place it into
47:10
their
47:11
in their normal way of living going
47:13
forward i think that’s what we should
47:15
really focus on
47:16
um and something that maybe we can do on
47:18
each and each episode going forward
47:20
you know i’m sure people are taking a
47:23
lot of what we’re saying
47:24
and and this new information or it’s um
47:27
you know revisiting information that
47:28
they
47:28
maybe forgotten or we’re thinking about
47:30
in the moment so i think we do that
47:32
indirectly but i think we should be
47:34
intentional with it um
47:36
more forward because as caesar said you
47:38
know we’re living in some very
47:40
very weird times you know this is the
47:42
fault of the empire
47:43
or resistance strategic to remain uh
47:46
keeps white supremacy intact the way
47:49
that it’s
47:50
shaping up to be um that what can we
47:52
offer our black communities
47:54
you know i think that’s what we should
47:55
we should be doing and i you know
47:57
my i’ll start you know i think one of
47:59
the things that
48:00
we should definitely be focused on
48:02
encouraging is is solidarity
48:04
we need to focus on you know looking at
48:07
our francophone
48:08
uh brothers and sisters as equal um
48:10
there’s too much that’s the language
48:12
barrier between our
48:13
our uh african descent communities is
48:15
what’s killing us
48:16
we also need to look at our the the
48:18
gender um uh
48:20
conversation you know there’s a there’s
48:22
there’s too many divide
48:24
between i’m only respectfully saying uh
48:26
male and female or masculine and
48:28
feminine
48:28
in this conversation not to you know
48:30
discredit any other genders within the
48:32
black community
48:33
but you know you know as a matter of
48:34
fact let’s let me just group them all
48:36
into that what i’m
48:37
what i’m about to say you know we with
48:39
there’s too much divide in terms of
48:41
you know you know you know let’s just be
48:44
uh woman empowerment and not and not man
48:47
empowerment or vice versa
48:48
in too many circus and too many social
48:50
spaces we
48:51
need to we need to focus on solidarity
48:54
understand what that word really means
48:55
in our communities because there’s a lot
48:58
of there’s a lot of people
49:00
not seeing the value and not seeing the
49:03
um you know all these people with value
49:05
in our black communities
49:06
which could sustain greater outcomes if
49:08
we were able to work together
49:10
and understand what working together
49:11
really means another thing is i’m going
49:13
to be very biased in my
49:15
and what i’m about to say and i think
49:16
ellie would you appreciate this
49:18
it’s education you know we need to start
49:22
seeing education
49:23
as a valuable tool in our black
49:25
communities there’s too
49:26
many of our young black youth are
49:30
facing anti-black racism and
49:32
criminalization in their bodies
49:34
which is steering them into our prison
49:36
system or jail systems in this country
49:38
and they’re not seeing the value of
49:39
education because of those those
49:41
horrible situations or moments within
49:42
this institute formal institution
49:44
we need to focus on that we need to
49:46
focus on building up our communities
49:49
if we don’t we are going to be the back
49:51
of the line
49:52
and facing a different circumstance of
49:54
marginalization
49:56
which is going to be even worse uh
49:59
if we don’t figure figure things out in
50:01
our community so i’d like to start there
50:02
and please please add
50:05
no that’s great lauren um i also think
50:07
it’s really important that
50:09
even as we critique things we also find
50:11
ways to frame
50:13
come up with a resilient frame right
50:14
that we’re always taught i mean dubois
50:16
said this like how does it feel to be a
50:17
problem you know that we’re always
50:18
talked about as the problem and then we
50:20
internalize that
50:21
um so we really need to i think as we
50:24
speak about the problems we need to
50:26
solve we also need to have that frame of
50:28
always putting it in a resilient frame
50:30
for ourselves particularly for our young
50:32
people um
50:33
you know like because we tend to be like
50:35
we’re the only community that’s this
50:36
dysfunctional we’re the only community
50:37
that does this we’re the only community
50:38
does this and that’s not true of course
50:40
right like people have frailties
50:42
um we’re no worse than any other
50:45
community we have the same human
50:46
problems that every community has um so
50:49
i think
50:50
yeah we have to really figure out how to
50:52
build that up i think through big and
50:54
small actions um it’s impossible to take
50:56
action and be
50:57
organized if we fundamentally um
51:00
like don’t see an end to it like you
51:02
know if you’re just like well what’s the
51:03
point of doing this because the prisons
51:04
and cops and everything and
51:05
they’re gonna be here at the end of the
51:06
day like then you can’t really
51:08
effectively organize right so i think we
51:09
have to
51:10
understand that um i also think that
51:14
um like we’re going to have to figure
51:17
out how to deal with power
51:18
you know like uh one of the things and
51:20
this comes out of this summer right that
51:22
there’s we’re in a sort of precipice
51:24
where on the one hand we have a big
51:26
people’s movement
51:27
you know like where we’re more and more
51:29
thinking about issues that largely
51:30
affect working-class black people
51:32
justice issues the economy like we’re
51:33
we’re understanding that but at the same
51:35
time we have very successful black
51:37
people like kamala like barack
51:38
like you know um you know ministers in
51:41
our own country and we haven’t come to
51:42
terms as a community like what that’s
51:43
going to mean once we have powerful
51:45
people like what is our responsibility
51:47
what is our accountability
51:48
how do we hold power to account how do
51:50
we like figure out
51:51
because things are changing right like
51:54
in our world you know warren like all
51:55
the hires that have suddenly come out
51:57
you know there’s like
51:57
50 hires so black people all of a sudden
52:00
in universities like so like for two
52:01
years we’re gonna have
52:02
you know these kind of hires and these
52:03
kind of things but what does that mean
52:05
you know how
52:06
it’s gonna end you know like obviously
52:09
it’s nothing that
52:10
has to do with us ever has any like
52:11
long-lasting it’s a short-term thing
52:13
you know but how are we going to build
52:15
on that what does it mean as our
52:16
community changes as our class relations
52:18
change what does it mean as we become so
52:19
called successful what are we all about
52:20
you know these are i think really
52:22
difficult questions and they come very
52:23
much out of 2020 as we’re doing like the
52:25
wrap-up thing
52:26
you know that on the one hand we
52:28
mobilize on you know
52:30
a scale that we haven’t often seen you
52:32
know that like people really came out in
52:34
the thousands and really wanted this
52:35
change but also we’re sitting here where
52:36
we didn’t
52:37
get that change like you know and like
52:41
what are we going to do like you know
52:44
are we in a lull
52:45
are we rebuilding how are people being
52:46
bought off like what what is that
52:49
you know like what does that mean for us
52:51
you know um yeah who better to lead than
52:53
us agreed and it has to be collective
52:55
right we can’t
52:56
so the same critique i made when i look
52:57
at the trump boards and they just are
52:58
like waiting for some secret message in
53:00
trump’s speech so that everything will
53:02
be okay and it’s like it’s never going
53:03
to happen
53:04
we have to make the world okay you know
53:06
like nobody
53:08
is going to lead us and nobody should be
53:10
like we have to do that collectively
53:11
you know we have to figure out and that
53:13
means doing those small actions it means
53:16
like yeah organizing are we organizing
53:17
our tenants are we when women are being
53:19
abused are we like helping them get set
53:21
up in a new apartment
53:22
are we you know like like those are
53:24
things that build our resilience our
53:25
courage and our ability
53:27
to um move forward you know i think we
53:28
often sort of think about again our lack
53:30
and i think we need to ask ourselves
53:31
questions like when people have
53:33
helped each other what did we draw on
53:35
you know in times when we’ve been
53:36
successful as a community what was it
53:38
that we were able to do
53:39
you know when we successfully did this
53:41
thing what did we draw upon
53:43
how do we find strength to stand up to
53:44
power where does that come from and how
53:46
do we teach that to our youth
53:47
you know like when people are sort of
53:51
in this space where they’re caught
53:52
between two things you know like the
53:54
streets
53:54
and something else or you know this or
53:57
that what do we build in them so they
53:58
can make that choice to go to something
54:00
else so find the strength to do that you
54:01
know and i think we really
54:03
moving forward as black people it’s like
54:05
how do we find that like where
54:06
where does that come from that some
54:07
people among us are able
54:10
to like take undertake and like
54:13
just the acts of courage that exist in
54:15
our community all over the place people
54:16
have sacrificed their lives you know
54:17
people that
54:18
where does that come from and how do we
54:20
build that particularly in our young
54:22
people
54:22
so they feel equipped to go to school
54:24
and be able to speak to their teachers
54:25
and their principles you know that
54:26
when they’re walking on the streets and
54:28
they’re being stopped by the cops like
54:29
what are we building them
54:30
you know like so i think warren’s really
54:32
right that um
54:34
there’s the big political action but
54:35
political action also has to be that
54:37
kind of daily
54:38
way of building our resilience building
54:40
our courage building our solidarity
54:42
teaching ourselves that we have power um
54:45
and the last thing is
54:46
sorry i’m talking long and i promise
54:47
i’ll shut up um people have pointed out
54:49
that as black people we’ve very we’ve
54:51
been pushed into being social workers
54:52
rather than
54:53
politically organized and as someone who
54:55
does all that kind of social work with
54:56
people in prison i think that’s true
54:58
we spend so much of our energy because
55:00
we have to like
55:01
you know just talking to a kid or
55:03
mentoring somebody or you know and of
55:04
course we need to do that because
55:06
there’s so many people in urgent need
55:08
and we all believe as a community that
55:09
what you get you give back you know i
55:10
think everybody believes that
55:12
fundamentally in black people we believe
55:14
you know someone opened the door for me
55:15
it’s my job to open the door so we spend
55:17
a lot of time on that
55:18
but what we don’t spend time on is
55:20
taking that and politically organizing
55:22
into a political block so that we have a
55:24
political voice we do a lot of social
55:25
work
55:26
but we don’t do a lot of what does it
55:28
mean to be a political block that people
55:30
they don’t care about us because we’re
55:31
poor and powerless and they know that
55:33
not listening to us has no trump can’t
55:35
ignore these people and he knows they’re
55:37
his base
55:37
the gop has to play to them because they
55:39
know they’re the base they get listened
55:41
to
55:41
the crazy evangelical christians like
55:43
the ones that you know like they get
55:44
listened to
55:45
these people that storm the capital
55:46
they’re being screwed over right now but
55:48
in the end
55:48
the 75 million base they will be
55:50
listened to and catered to
55:51
and we are not so what how do we build
55:55
to a point where we have
55:56
the kind of power and political power
55:58
together um
56:00
despite all our political differences
56:02
because we’re not going to agree like we
56:03
have people on all kinds of the spectrum
56:05
but what
56:05
does that mean in canada we need a
56:07
political bloc you know we’ve seen that
56:09
like coming out of covet coming out of
56:10
the blm
56:11
protest coming out of everything like we
56:13
we need to find a way to have a unif a
56:15
political voice that gets us what we
56:17
need you know
56:18
and i don’t know what that looks like
56:19
and now cesar go ahead
56:24
you brought us something that you
56:25
touched on caesar i just wanted to add
56:28
sorry i’m just feeding off eld today and
56:30
not saying i’m not feeling nothing
56:31
caesar because
56:32
i’m feeding both of you okay today
56:35
but you mentioned something that you
56:36
know we i it needs to be said
56:39
you know we do a lot of social working
56:41
in our communities
56:42
there was this i can’t remember the name
56:43
of this doctor but this doctor in the
56:45
united states had
56:46
meant he had um studied the reason why
56:49
we’re doing so much social work in our
56:50
communities
56:51
is the way how we we organize and how in
56:54
our political system within our
56:55
communities
56:56
we there’s too many ideologies going on
56:58
one of the things that we do
56:59
we don’t let he did he mentioned that we
57:01
don’t value the family structure
57:03
enough we don’t value that
57:06
we can’t continue to put the labor power
57:09
on the on the backs of women to raise
57:11
our children the way we’re doing
57:13
okay it’s not to villainize black men
57:15
but we need to
57:16
we need to figure that out if you’re
57:18
thinking about it
57:19
you know a lot of a lot of our black
57:21
youth who are experiencing
57:23
the anti-black racism contingency an
57:25
institution particularly formal
57:27
education
57:28
they’re not going home to the homes that
57:30
support them through
57:31
as well we need to also figure that out
57:34
as
57:34
there’s so many things but i think if we
57:36
can collectively understand
57:38
how to how to how to have positive
57:41
family relations
57:42
i think that’s a start personally so i
57:44
just wanted to add what you know the
57:46
social worker piece
57:47
because al brought that up i think we we
57:48
we miss not saying l
57:50
u but i think we as collectively missed
57:52
that conversation to have
57:54
because we don’t have it enough you know
57:56
it’s not but it’s not about outing our
57:57
laundry
57:58
it’s about talking about a reality that
58:01
we need we need to focus on
58:03
you know you know so sorry sorry i just
58:05
wanted to mention that
58:07
no no thank you warren um that was well
58:09
said than you know l
58:10
always brilliant
58:14
what i can really add to what has
58:16
already been said
58:18
i will take back some elements from my
58:20
black lives matter speech
58:23
of june 5th in ottawa in terms of the
58:25
fact that
58:27
as black people we need to make what can
58:30
that not just be a fiction
58:33
we need to be able to come back to a
58:35
center
58:36
of blackness and make it real what that
58:39
means
58:40
al said it very well to not just be
58:43
social workers caring to our community
58:46
but become political actors because the
58:49
extremists
58:50
the white supremacists the trump fans
58:53
of wednesday are the capital at the end
58:55
of the day
58:56
they represent a strong electoral base
58:59
and they represent millions of voters
59:02
which is a reason
59:03
why the republican party is so coward
59:07
in standing up to trump because in two
59:10
years and in four years
59:12
they need those people to vote for them
59:14
for us as black people
59:16
we must and i know this is very hard for
59:19
many
59:20
to hear to understand to accept
59:24
the reality of being black in the
59:26
current world that we live in
59:29
is a reality in which
59:32
we don’t live with white people we don’t
59:34
live with
59:35
arabic arabic white people
59:39
we don’t live with asian people we
59:42
survive
59:43
to the systems of domination and when i
59:45
say survive
59:46
even when you go to africa and the
59:48
caribbean
59:49
you see the strength of the chinese
59:51
presence we all know what happens when a
59:53
white tourist
59:55
complains or even seeks employment
59:58
in our countries it’s a lot easier for
60:00
them so we are here surviving
60:03
there’s nothing racist in what i’m
60:04
saying first of all if you’re black you
60:06
can’t be racist
60:07
in this world but the fact of the
60:11
survival of black people basically makes
60:13
it that
60:14
for us to rise we must
60:17
be able to evacuate the negative
60:20
narratives about us
60:22
because when it comes to race the focus
60:24
is always about us
60:25
just as when it comes to religion in the
60:27
western world the focus on
60:29
is on arab muslims so when it comes to
60:31
race we must evacuate them
60:33
warren is absolutely right about a focus
60:36
that we must do ourselves
60:37
regarding the family the lockdowns of
60:41
kovaid have created
60:42
an increase of domestic violence
60:45
we must denounce our homie
60:48
brother patnai that we know is abusing
60:52
his girlfriend or wife and the kids
60:56
but we must not give a pass to our
60:59
sister
61:00
a black woman who is also abusive to
61:03
a brother for whatever reason she can
61:06
claim
61:07
we must do group economics supporting
61:11
black business is there to say
61:13
simply because they’re black but we must
61:15
uplift the standards
61:16
so that we support them just as we must
61:19
do more sharing of successful black
61:21
people
61:22
than keep sharing on the negativity and
61:25
toxicity
61:26
of too many entertainers and not just
61:28
entertainers
61:29
will pollute the minds of black children
61:32
and black youth
61:34
into us thinking we are only successful
61:36
through sports and entertainment
61:39
black professionals i ask you
61:42
i demand of you i beg you mentorship
61:46
be there to show the way to the youth
61:49
but also to other adults in showing them
61:53
how to improve this week i had a brother
61:56
an older brother that i look up to as a
61:59
mentor
62:00
make me aware of a certain flaw in my
62:03
character
62:05
that i can address to further my
62:07
professional development
62:09
aka time management and you know what
62:12
i listen to him i will better manage it
62:14
because as busy as i can say i am
62:17
we are all busy but we must be able to
62:20
improve on everything we do
62:22
so that we can rise rise rise
62:25
by adapting adjusting in order to
62:28
advance
62:31
we must also educate ourselves
62:35
educate ourselves he’s not celebrating
62:37
that there’s a black james bond
62:39
congratulations to the sister but
62:41
honestly i don’t care about that
62:43
i want to see not just a black mozart as
62:46
it’s coming in 2021
62:50
chevalier de saint-jeans was there
62:51
before mozart so i want to see
62:53
our black heroes aka
62:56
woman and man be brought to the screen i
63:00
want to see
63:01
our children learn about them i want to
63:04
see why
63:04
children hold black dolls as you see
63:07
behind me
63:09
but not just hold a black dog for a
63:11
photo that looks cute
63:12
but hold a black dog and learn about
63:15
black kings
63:16
and queens and warriors
63:19
and fighters for justice because africa
63:22
in the black history
63:23
is full of that more than any other
63:25
continent my friend
63:27
don’t be fooled me cesar
63:33
stop the roman armies for going further
63:35
south than egypt
63:37
how many children know this we
63:40
must be able to focus on our
63:42
spirituality
63:43
i know so many people hate when i bring
63:46
religion
63:47
black people you will never be fully
63:49
loved and accepted as equals
63:51
in white or arab religions it will not
63:54
happen and they’re not racist for it
63:57
we must be able to refocus on our
64:00
spirituality
64:01
to reclaim our identities to understand
64:04
that
64:05
haiti 1804 did not happen by praying to
64:08
jesus
64:10
but by finding strength in vodou just as
64:12
african spirituality
64:14
was very much alive in the condom play
64:17
in contemplate and brazil in cuba etc
64:21
etc
64:22
all of these elements that as we speak
64:24
of 2021 of new beginning
64:28
we must be able to do all these things
64:29
to change the narratives
64:31
without giving his name one of my
64:33
mentees
64:35
we went to a very hard time in 2020
64:37
because of some family drama
64:39
that went to the news that involved
64:41
police and the criminal world
64:44
i was so proud of him he stayed in
64:46
school
64:47
i supported him but it’s not about me
64:49
supporting him
64:50
it’s about some family members of his
64:53
some friends of his
64:55
all of us being that together to tell
64:57
him don’t give up
64:58
you don’t have to follow the path of
65:00
your brothers and he finished school
65:03
he finished school he got a job he can
65:05
be a change
65:06
factor in any black community that he
65:09
goes to because
65:10
he has a baggage very quickly just to
65:13
finish
65:14
allow me to give some black
65:15
intellectuals we need
65:17
to reconnect with our black
65:18
intellectuals
65:20
dr francis crossing dr joyce de grai
65:25
speaking in terms of family but speaking
65:27
also in terms of post-traumatic slave
65:29
syndrome
65:30
franz fanon black skin white mask
65:34
and the wretched of the earth check on
65:37
tajia
65:38
arm yourselves with knowledge so that
65:40
you can speak as an equal
65:42
to white supremacy and last but not
65:45
least
65:47
a hero murdered assassinated by white
65:50
supremacy
65:51
played on screen by our brother denzel
65:54
washington
65:55
bound to beco he said it the most potent
65:58
weapon of the oppressor is the mind of
66:00
the oppressed
66:02
the most potent weapon of the oppressor
66:05
is the mind of the oppressed
66:07
we don’t have to be depressed but we
66:10
have to be black
66:18
a vibe you are muted and i am good now
66:21
though
66:22
[Laughter]
66:24
i don’t think i need to add anything
66:26
after that
66:27
uh the only thing i will add is i
66:30
i was talking to elle before we went
66:33
live there was a gentleman just
66:34
generally d
66:35
chance and barry who had a epic
66:37
conversation with a few weeks ago
66:40
and he said a number of prolific things
66:41
and i usually don’t plug things
66:43
on the dr vibe show but if you can
66:46
watch that conversation it was epic but
66:48
one of the things
66:50
two things he said that really well a
66:52
few things he said one of the things he
66:53
said is
66:54
and i’ll say this for all our people out
66:55
there the strength of the spirit
66:59
will always go further than the strength
67:01
of the body
67:05
and another thing that i want i want
67:08
black people to start living
67:11
instead of surviving too many of us are
67:14
surviving out there
67:15
we need to band together
67:19
and some won’t be able to but many of us
67:21
need to band together
67:22
so we can start living instead of
67:24
surviving there’s too many of us that
67:26
are surviving out there folks
67:28
and look where surviving has got us
67:33
really look where surviving his goddess
67:35
so
67:36
i don’t want to add anything else on to
67:38
that
67:39
uh i like to say thank you for each one
67:43
of you
67:43
this is why i’ve missed you because you
67:46
make me feel better and you make me keep
67:48
going
67:49
you’re some of the people that keep on
67:51
go keep me going on what i do
67:54
and i hope once in a while i keep you
67:55
guys going even if you don’t like me
67:57
once a while
67:58
i still i want to make sure that you
68:00
guys keep on going
68:01
uh i just thought i could respond
68:05
to me yeah i mean really we are african
68:07
people i think that is an important
68:09
point um the question obviously call
68:12
ourselves black
68:13
um we are all african you know like we
68:16
belong to africa we are from africa we
68:18
are part of the global african
68:20
um diaspora and we are not less african
68:22
for that so i think that was an
68:23
important comment that just came up and
68:24
i just wanted to say i hear you
68:26
like we really should be congress all’s
68:27
african people but
68:29
african people very much so any final
68:32
comments
68:33
from warren cesar
68:36
you know um no the only final comment i
68:39
have is
68:40
you know please put into please put in
68:42
the practice of
68:43
you know building our people up you know
68:45
including me
68:46
no one’s exempt you know we we have to
68:48
we have to figure out ways we have to
68:50
listen
68:51
um not only this listen we have to
68:53
actively listen we have to
68:55
we have to show up and showing up
68:57
doesn’t mean that you have to give money
68:58
doesn’t mean that you have to you know
69:00
give you know all this time that you may
69:02
not have it just means that
69:04
show up when it matters and that’s what
69:06
i would i’d like to finish off with
69:09
what how can people get in touch with
69:10
you oh boy
69:13
oh you know i’ll say it what is website
69:16
website
69:17
yeah you can uh if you want to get in
69:19
touch with me please um
69:21
like dr bob just mentioned you can visit
69:23
my website all my contact information is
69:25
there it’s uh
69:27
warrenclark.ca so it’s very easy clark
69:29
with an e don’t forget that
69:38
are you related to the clarks out here
69:39
or is it through a different
69:41
uh i’m certain i’ve heard i’m related to
69:44
i have family out in the east coast
69:46
um so i’m applying for a tenure track
69:48
job out there so we’ll see
69:51
right i mean are you playing at the
69:53
moment yeah i am so
69:55
yeah i’m i’m making it public so so
69:57
whoever’s looking at the milk
69:59
so hopefully we’ll be cooking
70:05
get ready get ready get ready poor
70:08
position so it’s not like we’re in
70:09
competition it’s
70:10
but an abundance yeah you know
70:13
the one thing i’ll say you know like for
70:15
those who are applying for
70:17
you know you know tenure track positions
70:18
under the black scholarship call
70:21
um you know there is this idea
70:24
that there is an abundance of black
70:26
scholars
70:27
you know and that’s not true i know how
70:30
they’re gonna
70:31
pull them all there’s only a few of us
70:33
because if you think about formal
70:34
education
70:35
there’s already barriers for many of us
70:37
to even get to undergrad
70:39
under the undergraduate level there’s
70:41
barriers to get to the
70:42
you know masters graduate level and then
70:44
there’s certainly barriers to getting to
70:46
the phd graduate level
70:47
you know so um that’s why education is
70:51
so
70:51
important if we’re gonna change this
70:52
narrative parents who are listening
70:55
guardians who are listening
70:56
young people are listening choose
70:58
post-secondary education
70:59
you know i i get it not everybody’s you
71:02
know academically
71:03
you know inclined and i you know want to
71:05
go to the trades and all sorts of stuff
71:06
i understand college i get it but we
71:09
need more of you going into academia
71:12
you know if you’re interested you need
71:14
my help
71:15
just email me i’m going to put it out
71:16
there you know like i do a ton of
71:18
mentorship
71:19
programs in in ottawa uh like cesar in
71:22
ottawa and elsa
71:23
and nova scotia doing her thing but
71:25
reach out to us if we can help
71:28
each way star i’m signing l and c’s are
71:29
up here if we can help in any which way
71:31
we have the time
71:33
uh you know i would love to do so so i’m
71:35
putting it out there thank you
71:36
warren um hit me up um i can give you a
71:39
bit of a i call it the move right so i
71:40
can give you a bit of a guide to the
71:42
amount
71:42
before you get your application so give
71:45
me a call
71:48
how can people get in touch with ul um
71:51
well email
71:53
j-o-n-e-s at msvu.ca
71:58
all right cesar any last any last
72:00
problem from you cesar
72:01
um as last thought what i would say
72:05
is um we live in very interesting times
72:10
we live in uh it’s kind of like
72:13
and uh i mean this of course with the
72:15
utmost respect to
72:16
our uh older uh brothers and sisters
72:20
but it’s almost like the 1960s 2.0
72:24
for us in this generation without the
72:27
nature of violence over there
72:28
uh just before i give my last thought i
72:30
just like to share some knowledge very
72:32
quickly
72:33
as brother warren was talking about
72:35
academia by answering to sister
72:38
nihi sunny busy uh in terms of do we
72:41
have to be black though
72:42
since the concept of blackness derives
72:44
from the white
72:45
cello colonial discourse brothers and
72:48
sisters
72:49
um i may surprise some of you here but
72:52
african people knew they were black
72:54
before white people said it
72:56
from uh five thousand years ago in kemet
72:59
ancient egypt which is an african
73:01
civilization that comes from the inside
73:04
of the continent as they wrote
73:05
themselves the very word kemet
73:09
the very land of blacks we knew we were
73:12
black
73:13
before the greeks the romans and
73:15
eventually
73:16
western europeans named their soul even
73:20
after that long after that you go back
73:23
to just um
73:25
the 18th or 19th century so it’s the
73:27
19th 18th century
73:29
this is taught at the university of
73:31
delhi in
73:32
india the aryans the
73:35
whites those who became whites in the
73:37
area of the iranian plateau
73:39
when they started to invade the
73:41
dravidians they fully knew they were
73:43
black as they referred to themselves
73:45
already and as such these concepts of
73:47
whiteness came
73:49
to be created and even in terms of
73:51
europeans
73:52
when you look at the history of uh um
73:55
the history of art so art history
73:58
notably to painting
74:00
uh i have a book from the museum of
74:02
fiery florence here
74:03
it explains how colonization
74:07
following uh christopher columbus but
74:09
even before that pope nicolas ii
74:12
in 1443 how the idea of
74:15
slave equaling to black changed the
74:18
nature of painting
74:20
in the depiction of black people as evil
74:23
dumb lazy etc but even before that black
74:26
people we refer to ourselves
74:28
as blacks just as in terms of our
74:30
ethnicity
74:31
aka tribes as last word
74:34
as warren said indeed the education is
74:37
there now don’t get interested if you go
74:39
to trade
74:40
and college congratulations to you
74:42
warren is not minimizing the importance
74:45
of that
74:45
but always keep an african a
74:48
black spirit as your community needs you
74:51
in the same sense as
74:52
all other communities call their own
74:55
first and foremost
74:56
to give them jobs to help them succeed
75:00
i would like to say as we are finishing
75:02
2021
75:03
is indeed a year that seems so far
75:06
as the 13 months of 2020 but it’s an
75:10
opportunity for us to always increase
75:13
our knowledge
75:14
always increase our activism and also
75:17
increase our sense of belonging of
75:20
basically am i my brother my sister’s
75:24
keeper
75:25
yes you are yes you are responsible
75:27
because whether you be mixed with green
75:29
eyes and blonde hair
75:31
or you be dark skinned like midnight
75:33
from sudan or senegal
75:35
guess what whether your name is trevor
75:37
martin
75:38
uh uh dialogue who got murdered in 1999
75:42
or abdirahman abdi an exeter etc etc
75:46
in the four corners of this world from
75:48
japan naomi osaka
75:50
to the us to brazil i wish for my people
75:55
ubuntu i am because you are
75:58
and sankofa we keep advancing
76:01
without never forgetting the past we
76:04
keep advancing
76:05
without never forgetting the past
76:07
because i
76:09
am because you are ubuntu and sankofa to
76:12
all of my sisters and my brothers
76:13
welcome to 2021 contact information
76:19
president at rootsandculturecanada.com
76:22
but to be quite honest i’m easier to
76:25
reach on facebook
76:26
aka as so many black activists i am
76:29
blocked
76:30
right now for comparing the
76:33
protest to today so i’m blocked until
76:36
midnight just to let you know so uh
76:38
as of monday we get back into action but
76:40
my facebook
76:41
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76:46
space emery e-m-e-r-y
76:49
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76:52
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76:53
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76:56
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76:58
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76:59
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77:35
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77:37
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77:38
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and as always that close out with this
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live your life is a dream if you can
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dream it you can make it
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sometimes you have to get smaller get
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stronger block assumptions and then
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bigger and better and higher and wider
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like to think
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el warren cesar we need you and
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we’re glad to have you back and looking
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for another
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eventful and positive 2021 and
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love faith and respect goodbye everybody
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