Hugo Schwyzer explains why guys are so preoccupied with getting women’s sex stats—and why they should just let it go.
Judging from what I read online and hear from my students, the question of the “number” is as compelling as ever. This month, Marie Claire ran an article, “What’s Your Number?” in which five women (whose numbers ranged from zero to 100) told their stories. The March issue of Cosmopolitan Australia features the same discussion, noting that 59 percent of readers surveyed thought knowing a partner’s exact number was important, and that 33 percent of those same readers had lied about their own pasts, claiming fewer sexual partners than they’d actually had.
(A quick note: most people use “the number” to refer to the count of people with whom they’ve had heterosexual intercourse. Any kind of sex that doesn’t involve a penis inside a vagina usually “doesn’t count.” A lot of us are like Bill Clinton in that regard, not seeing oral sex as real sex. This is a very limited—and limiting—understanding of what sex really is. But that’s a topic for another day.)
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It’s understandable to be curious about the sexual lives of our peers. It makes sense to want to know what the averages are. (According to the experts at the Kinsey Institute, the average number of lifetime sexual partners for men aged 30 to 44 is around seven, while for women in that same age group, it’s four—both lower than you might think).
But the number has different meanings for men and women. The old double standard is still alive and well: a man with more
sexual partners than his buddies may be teasingly called a “man whore,” but the epithet is a compliment, not an insult. Ask a woman who has dared reveal her number to someone who considers it too high, and she’ll surely tell you a story of being “slut-shamed.”
It’s quite common for a guy to worry about a girlfriend’s sexual past. Too many men are still raised to see sex as crude competition, in which bedding a woman who has already had a lot of lovers counts less than scoring with a woman who is “hard to get.” But I think the average guy’s worry is simpler than that. The more men his girlfriend has slept with, the greater number of lovers to which she can compare his skills. It’s easier to win a contest against two than against 20, he figures. And even easier to rank first when he’s the only one to have ever played the game. No wonder so many men—in this country and around the world—are obsessed with finding a virgin.
This is the real reason why so many men get so filled with rage at sexually experienced women. And of course, it’s the real reason so many women feel compelled to lie about their number.
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Too many women have told their boyfriends their real number, only to be nagged incessantly for explicit details. (One friend of mine recounted to me in horror how her current boyfriend stopped one day in the middle of giving her oral sex to ask how his technique compared.) Other women find that their boyfriends endlessly psychoanalyze the reasons for a number that they think is too high: “Did you sleep with so many men because your father left you when you were a child?” (If I had a dollar for every woman I know who’s been asked that question, I could buy everyone reading this a Slurpee. Seriously.)
At this point, some men are probably protesting: “But I don’t slut-shame or endlessly analyze. For me, it’s not all about competing with other guys. Isn’t the number an important thing to know about someone you might be serious about? Isn’t it something I have a right to know?”
That sounds reasonable. But again, why is it so important to know an exact number? What difference does it make? Knowing whether a potential girlfriend has ever been in love before is important; discovering (slowly and patiently) how her past experiences have impacted her view of men (for better or worse) is important. But really, what’s the difference whether she’s slept with four or 14 men? She isn’t defined by her number—and if there’s a chance you might change how you see her when you discover the truth (should she tell you), why ask?
This has nothing to do, by the way, with asking about sexual health. It’s a great idea to talk about sexually transmitted infections; it’s a great idea for a new couple to get tested before having unprotected sex. We have a right to know if a potential partner has herpes. But the exact number itself is altogether different.
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I lost my virginity at 17 to my high-school girlfriend. She was a year younger but much more sexually experienced. She was my first for anything that went below the waist; I was the fifth guy she’d had sex with. I’d asked her number, of course, and then fought hard not to obsess about the four boys who had “been there” before me. But I saw the pain my questions caused her. And I came to realize that it didn’t matter.
I don’t know my wife’s number. I’ve never asked her. She’s never asked for mine. I know enough from the stories she’s told to know that there was more than one guy before me; she knows enough about my past to figure out that she can’t count my lovers on her fingers. Beyond that, we—who have shared so much sexually and emotionally in our nine years as a couple, six years as spouses, and two years as parents together—don’t need to know more specifics.
When we’re in a monogamous relationship, what we have a right to insist on is that no names get added to the list after our own. It doesn’t matter if I’m number five or 55. I’ll be crushed if my wife adds a number six or a 56 behind my back.
But the right to ask to be last is not the same as the right to know how far we are from the first. And for me, part of being a good man is knowing what I don’t need to know.
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Other Stories From the Good Men Project Magazine:
Men and the Sexualization of Young Girls
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Husband Confronts Abortion Protesters [VIDEO]
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Why Don’t Men Initiate Divorce?
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Red-Hot Monogamy
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Marriage: Just Don’t
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The Prostitute Who Saved My Relationship
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Are Men Natural-Born Cheaters?
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What Your Marriage Needs to Survive
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The past is the past, and has no bearing on the future unless you choose to make it so. The only aspect of past relationships that might have a bearing on the future are children. Nothing else absolutely needs to be disclosed.
If her past doesn’t matter, neither does mine. It doesn’t matter how many times I’ve been married and divorced (unless I have kids) or the number of times I broke off an engagement – since the past is the past.
According to the argument presented by the article, neither of us needs to disclose our past. It’s not relevant according to the writer/blogger. I disagree.
I strongly disagree with this article on that the past don’t matter and don’t define you. As if sex diceases & love from past defines you more or is more important than whom you deside to have sex with? And then to justify lying about it if the number matters to the partner? This is rediculous. If your relationship can not handle the truth of your past & you can not be responsible enough for what you have done to tell the truth about what you have done even if the partner wants details then you are not ready for a serious relationship as such wil be based on a lie & a false notion of whom we are & how much what we do matter. It DOES matter how many you have sex with, for that in itself shows how honest you are and responsible for what you do. It also shows how quick you are to learn from what you do. We ARE both our past & present and if we are to know someone we must know both. I have made many mistakes in the past, but my future partner will have no reason to trust me & confide in me if I can not be honest about them & show I have learned something from it. Honestly the views shared in this article is dumb and short sighted and seems to justify irresponsbly sleeping around with whomever you like & lie about it as if that would create less hurt than asking into the past. Remember if the partner has done these things they are already deep inside carrying this hurt & it may surface at times and that a partner will have the rigth to know about if they are to invest their life in the relationship. No secrecy, lies or dishonesty can be justified to other than the shortsighted cowards who are afraid of the truth & don’t believe enough in good that we can learn from the truths & mistakes of ourselves & others and such a person should stay out of relationships for there is no greater pain than being deceived & betrayed by those you love
First off great article. Its the truth. I had the number talk with my girlfriend (now my wife) when we started dating. But I must also agree with Ben from above. The reason I wanted to know was to see if she was mature enough to handle telling me the truth no matter what. I had been decieved by women before and felt that the hardest question for most women to answer might shine some light on wether I could trust them.
True there but the big question is if she told you that she had 50 would you handle it??? I dont think so
Probably not. Better to know that than have her lie about the woman that she is.
The past is the past. Leave it there. Anything that might give a bad impresssion does not need to be disclosed, past relationships, marriages, whatever.
Good luck catching diseases while you and your partner have sex.
you kill one person or 100 you are a killer, you have sex with one person or 100 you are no longer a virgin
and PAST DOES affect the future, if you dont believe me google wifes in male strip clubs sucking dicks.
That is your wife, who will come home and kiss your lips with the same mouth that sucked a unknown mans dick half hour ago. That is the Reality.
Those who loose their self restraint go ALL OUT and that is what they will do all their life. Understand the pain I am in when I love the beauty of women, but get just disgusted by the reality of what they will do and have done.
While doing it you will not think about it, but when you REALLY think about it, YEah that is when you gain Enlightenment.
1. What is your point about the loss of virginity? It seems kind of pointless to me.
2. Yes, the past affects the future. True. That does not mean that every woman has been a stripper at some point.
3. Those who lose self restraint go all out? Meaning if you have sex once, you are a disgusting, terrible whore who will sleep with anyone that has a penis?
4. You love the beauty of women, but are disgusted by them. Are you also disgusted by men? The average man age 30 to 44 has had almost twice as many partners as the average woman. By that logic, men should disgust you almost twice as much. Also, define “what they will do and have done.” Do you mean that they have had sex? Because almost everyone has had sex. Get used to it.
5. Your last statement makes no sense whatsoever. It is just a jibe intended to be awe-inspiring but actually comes off as unintelligible and stupid.
I really don’t mind telling my partner the truth I think sometimes as humans we are afraid of being judged & try to make ourselves better for the next person without knowing what will happen. When I meet my partner I lied about my past & hope that all will be well but it just got worse through questions & asking things that make me uncomfortable eg. Did they have big Digs??What kind of question is that?? later on the relationship he got to find out what really happened in my life I cheated on my Ex boyfriend with 3 people & my hubby knows the truth now because he kept on digging for me I guess he was afraid that I might do the same to him, no matter how much I try & explain myself or show him that I am truly a changed person he doesn’t believe me @ all.
For one to say, “the past is the past and it has little to no effect on one’s present or future” is ignorant. All our previous actions and decisions define who we are today. Shakespeare, “The choices we make, dictate the life we lead.” You cannot tell me having the ability to give yourself completely to your spouse is the equal to “here, you can have whatever is left”. To hear a woman announce, “my past sexual experiences does not matter” is extremely offensive to me. Hearing this only reinforces how little regard she has for sex, actions of a sexual nature and it tell me how little she cares of herself and me too. The more something is used the less value it carries. If you choose to use the most intimate part of your body with anyone you meet, then at which point does it suddenly become a valued gift for your life partner? I am not saying everyone should marry as virgins; however, after 3 to 4 people, a few one night stands, “hook ups” (socially acceptable one night stands) and booty calls (socially acceptable prostitution without a monetary transfer) you have given away anything you had to give to begin with and may as well be considered leftovers. I find when asking a girl how many partners she has had and she pauses, it is because she knows she is “loose” and feels ashamed of her actions. In this case there is no need to call her a slut because she knows she is one and has been living in denial comparing herself to the “sluttier” friend she has or knows. I know a lot of promiscuous women will be reading this and cursing me, but remember the only reason this message has upset you is because in the end you know I am right and I am referring to you, otherwise you would have no reason to dislike my words.
This is one of the most sexist messages I’ve ever read. “she knows she’s loose” are you kidding me? I wish there was a negative connotation for the male penis. You do have a point past sexual experiences are important. I mean there shouldn’t be an outrageous amount. Now I’m not a promiscuous women. I dislike your words because you simply attacked only women. It is a fallacy to assume that any women that disagrees with your words means they are who you speak of. That’s a tactic that leaves no room for debate and insures that you are correct even with opposition. The vagina is not a “gift” to a man. Yes it is special just like the penis but to say it is a “gift” is ridiculous. I slept with 10 men before I was married at 26. That’s less than one a year. The reason is because the majority of them were in relationships. Try to be less of a misogynist
The problem with this message is that you neglect to think about how it would sound if you were talking about a man. Sarah up there said a bunch, so I’m just going to change your message to describe a man.
For one to say, “the past is the past and it has little to no effect on one’s present or future” is ignorant. All our previous actions and decisions define who we are today. Shakespeare, “The choices we make, dictate the life we lead.” You cannot tell me having the ability to give yourself completely to your spouse is the equal to “here, you can have whatever is left”. To hear a man announce, “my past sexual experiences does not matter” is extremely offensive to me. Hearing this only reinforces how little regard he has for sex, actions of a sexual nature and it tell me how little he cares of himself and me too. The more something is used the less value it carries. If you choose to use the most intimate part of your body with anyone you meet, then at which point does it suddenly become a valued gift for your life partner? I am not saying everyone should marry as virgins; however, after 3 to 4 people, a few one night stands, “hook ups” (socially acceptable one night stands) and booty calls (socially acceptable prostitution without a monetary transfer) you have given away anything you had to give to begin with and may as well be considered leftovers. I find when asking a man how many partners he has had and he pauses, it is because he knows he is “loose” and feels ashamed of her actions. In this case there is no need to call him a slut because he knows he is one and has been living in denial comparing himself to the “sluttier” friend he has or knows. I know a lot of promiscuous men will be reading this and cursing me, but remember the only reason this message has upset you is because in the end you know I am right and I am referring to you, otherwise you would have no reason to dislike my words.
See? Doesn’t make much sense to people now. Maybe you need to think about what you said, consider how incredibly sexist it is, and then not say it again.
Also: Maybe the reason they don’t want to tell you is because they don’t want to be judged. Clearly, you are not one for accepting people as they are, so it is completely understandable that women would not want you to know about their previous partners. Until you are able to realize that sex, as well as love, is something that can be special more than once, with more than one person, it will be impossible for you to respect anyone that has ever had feelings for anyone else.
great article. its nice to see an educated man in a Successful Relationship with an intelligent opinion.
it seems to me like these “men” who are degrading women by calling them ‘sluts’ are probably bitter men who have either been cheated on, are cheaters, or who have never and will never reach a level of intimacy that is beyond the act of sexual intercourse. seems true, men DO think with their little heads. HAHA.
This is all nice when the numbers are as low as your examples. I have good reason to believe that my GFs number may be up to 50 times higher than mine. Excuse me, I’m about to go shoot myself in the face.
I, unfortunately, am suffering through this right now. Before I was married, I was told by my wife that she had slept with 18 men. I’ve had 16, mostly serious relationships. I recently found a list that in reality puts her number closer to 30 (I hope at a max). She won’t talk about it. The list includes: “Montreal guy” “random guy” “monkey”. I also found out that the previous guy was actually a fuck-friend that would take her out to dinner. They continued to see each other up to the week we met. And who I now, through some shitty twist of fate, play hockey with his best friend. I don’t live in a small town. It sucks.
So does the past matter? Would it matter to my wife if I had a prostitute fetish before we married (I didn’t)? Was she prostituting herself for dinner, company and a screw?
But the truth is, regardless if its the past or the future.. WE ALL OBTAIN SECRETS.
There is a saying “don’t sleep with one’s wife/ daughter.. so that you don’t get a wife who has slept with others”. That means if you have had sex with others illegally, not your wife, then you will marry with someone who has had sex with others. If you are verging surely you will marry someone who is verging. Don’t want something for someone that you don’t want it for yourself !
Everything in this world has to do with the past ! Your past determines your future. The joy of sex and love is that both partners are verging and while having sex non of them will have to worry how many dicks and pussies… ( my apology for my broken english)
A WOMEN’S BODY IS A SACRED TEMPLE…AND IN TODAY’S SOCIETY (U.S CULTURE) WOMEN NO LONGER VALUE THEIR BODIES….AND THE ONES THAT DO WILL EARN MY RESPECT. THIS ARTICLE IS GARBAGE IF YOU WANT A WHORE THAT WILL CHEAT ON YOU MARRY A WOMAN THAT SLEPT WITH 50 GUYS. THAT IS WHY MARRIAGE IS SLOWLY LOSING IT’S VALUE AND INFIDELITY IS NOW THE SOCIAL NORM.
I question woman partners on how many guys they slept with, but I don’t do it to just find out their history or become jealous. I do it because it’s an absolute turn on for me. Not sure why, but I want details and it enhances my sexual relationship with the woman. Is that wrong or absurd? I don’t know, but I know I like it when I get details. The obvious problem is many don’t like to divulge. Anyone have a good technique as to how to the info? Btw, I have no problem revealing anything about my past sexual experiences if they want to hear it (which isn’t often).
Men are predators and women are prey, plain and simple…
So men care about the number women have had because men associate more partners with the inability to survive the sexual inter- “course” . Its a jungle in a man’s mind where only the strong women survive and men want to know that their woman is a survivor and not an easy catch.
Women care about men’s numbers because they want to know if their man is a predator that can’t control his urge to hunt. But women don’t ask men because they are most times afraid of the answer. They would rather create their man’s image than accept the fact that he’s preyed on many others.
Example:
- A woman will cry during sex because they assume that their man is picturing another woman that they’ve been with…. Prey
-A man will stop in the middle of sex because they are wondering how many men have had their woman in the same position… Predator
Just human nature
It isn’t mathematically possible for men to ON AVERAGE have more partners than women within the same population unless the men in the sudy are having sex with other men or with women outside the study population. Kinsey’s numbers must have been “reported” sexual partners if they referred to heterosexual intercourse, or the sample population was skewed. All those women with whom men are reportedly having sex with are women who are sexually active and those numbers will drive up the average number for the women as well. It is a common, sexist, and impossible assumption that men are on average more sexually active than women. It could be true that there are a subset of men in the population who are highly sexually active and a subset who have zero partners, so that if you take just the sexually active men, you get an articifically high number. If this is the selection bias to blame, it hardly says that men are inherently more sexually active.
The word average means a measure of centrality but there are several different ways of calculating an average. For example:
Mean = Sum of individuals / number of individuals
Median = the middle individual taken in ascending order
Mode = the value which is held by the most individuals
While the mean is often the average used, it does have a problem with extreme values throwing it off. For that reason the median is often a better choice of average. For example for wages and probably it was what was used to calculate this average number of partners.
You know what, I would argue very differently. I think it is important to understand how many partners a woman has been with. Of corse it goes both ways, but a lot can be learned about her past, decision making, and tendencies through her choice of “partner(s).” It may be harder to bite the bullet and hear, but there is much that can be said from anyone’s past. This is to not concretely say they are “so and so” because they had relations with a particular individual, but you’d be surprised with relationships trends.
Women go on and continue to slut around… Men will continue to use you and move on.
May there never come a day.. when you are ill (breast cancer perhaps)…Lying there looking to your husband for strength, courage and encouragement.. Maybe, he will smile and say the right things. Maybe he will serve you divorce papers as you will no longer be
pretty” .. If that day comes … you will know that in that place which substitutes for a heart in such men.. He will be thinking about that hot young thing and dreaming of his next *(&(*^ fantasy and you will not even be a passing thought.
He will walk because he was never there to begin with.. You were nothing but another piece of meat.
You will have done this to yourselves.. You will have done this to your daughters and sisters.
You devalued yourself, your humanity your sexuality.. You bought into the lie of ” Sexual Equality” where no equality exists, never has and never will.
Those with men with money and power turned you and your sister into whores and sluts for a reason..
By debasing you they insure your children your families will never be a threat to their power, position and authority.. That constant strife in your home is money in the bank for those who hate you and yours.
Sexual Promiscuity, Abortion,,, Divorce all weapons to destroy your life.. To take the heart from any many who might love you and with whom together you might build a better future for you, your children and their children
You bought the lie maybe starting in high school , certainly in college.. Now cry with it.. Cry for true love and commitment you will never know. Cry for the future of children perhaps yet unborn which you squandered the day you lifted your your ankles over your ears to be popular with men who never valued you as a human being in first place and never will.
From one who knows how to love to those who will never know what it is to be loved I am truly sorry sad for all you have lost. and can never regain.
If there is any saving grace.. if you have the courage to face what you have done to your lives.. Perhaps with faith and patient love you can point your daughters and sons gently down a better path than the one you took.. Else all is lost.