BroadBlogs hits the hard stuff in discussing one of the true evils behind the Isla Vista shooters actions: patriarchy itself.
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Women have control over which men get sex and which men don’t. Feminism is evil.
And so Elliot Roger blames women for his own problems — and for problems created by patriarchy — as he justifies his sad, horrifying, screwed up human hunting spree.
But then, if everyone else weren’t to blame, he would have to feel bad about himself.
Ironically, patriarchy — and not feminism — is the source of the particular problem he cites above.
The reason women are the sexual gatekeepers is because patriarchy allows men to have sex with as many women as they want. But women will be punished if they are not selective. When they don’t gatekeep they become “sluts” and their social standing drops. And all of that is repressing: When you constantly dampen you sexuality, it dampens itself after a while.
So under patriarchy women are punished for being sexual and then some anti-feminist becomes enraged that women don’t have sex with him.
Feminism actually promotes the opposite idea, insisting that women and men both have an equal right to be sexual.
The reason women are the sexual gatekeepers is because patriarchy allows men to have sex with as many women as they want… When they don’t gatekeep they become “sluts” and their social standing drops.
Next, in a brilliantly frustrating move, patriarchy pressures men to gain status by having sex.
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But Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs) like Elliot (he had subscribed to several sites) wouldn’t want to attack patriarchy. And so they twist their logic to make women and feminism the enemy.
When Roger isn’t blaming feminism, he complains that people, generally, won’t do things that he won’t do, himself.
People don’t reach out to him? Well, he doesn’t reach out to them, either.
People don’t reach out to him? Well, he doesn’t reach out to them, either.
The most beautiful women don’t have sex with him? Does he make any effort to meet women who are less beautiful than he is?
Meanwhile, a lot of guys get their sex ed from porn — Elliot began consuming at age 11. But porn is a poor teacher. It presents female sexuality as a stereotype of male sexuality. In porn, women are all hot for sex and just looking for a guy to service them. They will have sex with pretty much anyone. “Except me!” Those bitches!!!!!
Now enter the mythical hookup culture which spreads the lie that everyone is having casual sex with everyone else. “Except me,” Elliot thinks.
Turns out, only about 10% of students want to do that sort of thing.
And since patriarchy demeans the feminine, it latches on to some pretty negative traits that women aren’t interested in embracing. So if a guy can’t feel like a man because he doesn’t have a lot of sex or isn’t good at sports, he may turn to violence, says University of Maryland sociologist, Philip Cohen.
Ninety percent of the targets of school shootings are women.
Why? Here are a couple of reasons:
On the one hand, women may be symbolic of what men feel they can’t have. All those beautiful women out there, and you can’t have every one of them.
But also, groups that are traditionally demeaned are typically targeted as scapegoats. Listen to any hate radio and it’s all about how awful women, minorities, and LGBT are.
A lot of MRAs are hostile toward women, blaming them for their problems. And then they wonder why women go for louts instead of them. In Elliot’s words:
I don’t know what you don’t see in me. I’m the perfect guy.
Yeah. It’s a mystery.
Think women are your problem? Take a look at patriarchy. And take a look in the mirror.
Georgia Platts has a Ph.D. from UCLA and teaches sociology at Foothill College in Los Altos Hills, CA. She is also the author of BroadBlogs: A broad blogs broadly on women's and men's psychology.
Or maybe those people died because they were unable to defend themselves. How far do you think Rodger would have gotten if any of his victims shot back? 9-11 happened because the people on those planes were disarmed and left helpless by their own government.
“9-11 happened because the people on those planes were disarmed and left helpless by their own government.”
So your theory is that if the passengers could have carried guns, the hijackers somehow wouldn’t have? Or if they all had guns, some random passenger’s finger would have been readier to a trigger?
People like you are why I’m glad I don’t live in America.
What are you going to do at 30,000 feet up if your plane is hijacked? Call 911? Hope a Sky Marshal is on board? Tasers work just as well and won’t puncture the skin of the aircraft. Even with firearms there are special rounds like Magsafe or Glaser that break apart on hard surfaces like bone or a bulkhead so there is no overpenetration. Even if a hijacker has a gun, it does him no good if he doesn’t know who else on the plane might have one. Do the police and military where you live not have guns?
But Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs) like Elliot (he had subscribed to several sites) wouldn’t want to attack patriarchy.
Based on that logic (you are defined by what sites you subscribe to) I’m a feminist, a cosplayer, animator, comic writer, manga creator, chef, pro video gamer, youtube star, and newspaper writer.
Or at the very least could you name some of these “several site” he subscribed to? Come on at least AVfM or Spearhead?
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trey1963
8 years ago
“Patriarchy” is NOT equal to “Men”……..At best it’s a definition of the social structure organization plan that both women and men interact under…… maintained by both……created by both…….with somewhat differing benefits and liabilities for both. It’s Outdated / slow to adapt, just as all social structures are during times of extremely rapid change. But don’t remove women’s social agency by ignoring that it exists as fully equal to men’s social agency. If there is a group responsibility, it belongs to all of us regardless of gender, sex or outlook.
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Qartz
8 years ago
It’s difficult to take someone seriously, PhD. or no, when she can get her facts straight, even to the extent of copying them accurately from the sources she cites. For instance, she says, “Ninety percent of the targets of mass killings are women.” Then she provides a link. But when we go to that site, do we find evidence supporting her statement? No. We find instead a statement that 90 percent of *school* mass killings are female. That is very different from all mass killings. Furthermore, the source she cites isn’t even the original source. That is another source, another… Read more »
Actually it’s still nowhere close to 90%- it’s 55% from the very source she cites. Given the female dominated population at schools it’s proportional at best and potentially under targeted. The author is lying.
I’ve found this happens a lot, actually. Circular citation. blogs citing other blogs that cite the first blog. Where did the “data” actually come from? Nobody knows.
How do we go about and change it? I’m trying on a personal level but I’m at a loss as how to make much of a difference at a societal level.
It seems to me there are far more idiots than those who want to hear what your saying and I have no idea on how to get through to them that anyone violating someone’s personal rights is wrong, male female or otherwise.
@ Luke Davis If you can’t defend yourself, you’re a p*ssy. If you can’t defend your women, what kind of man are you? Men don’t ask for help or they’re not supposed to. Men also seem to have difficulty helping other men. I wonder how much the resistance to what your selling is fueled by men feeling that they can protect their women or possibly being unwilling to admit that they can’t. I know I always felt more masculine when a female friend or relative asked me to walk her to her car or home. Whenever they were afraid or… Read more »
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Leia
8 years ago
“Think women are your problem….take a look in the mirror…” It is so sad to listen to Elliot’s friend, Andi, and his former roommate, Rugg, talk about him….they said he seemed like the loneliest guy in the world…just saying the most negative and depressing things…Rugg would invite him out and Elliot would just pass on it…I think Rugg said he was almost not even surprised when he heard that it was Elliot who did the shootings…he said the warning signs were there…in retrospect, he seemed to regret that there was not more he could have done to help him at… Read more »
I think the problem is, and you can see how people have responded by basically attacking and trying to bootstrap him to things they already hate, is that the only Elliot most people are even acknowledging is Elliot after the moment he decided to go on his killing spree.
Its easy to pile the hate onto that Elliot because he’s a killer and its easy to hate killers.
That’s why you aren’t seeing much of the outreach that could have prevented him from going on that killing spree.
Okay dads, grab your balls …. here is the latest. “Father faces child cruelty charges for teen’s punishment “Even after being arrested, a Douglasville father still feels he did nothing wrong by punishing his 16-year-old son by making the. … “In between that time, he was at home having to move rocks and stuff from one side of the yard to the other” Kauai man gets probation for making son, 8, walk 1 mile home. When De Mond arrived with his 3-year-old son at Kilauea Elementary School to pick up his two older boys, ages 6 and 8, from an… Read more »
Ruh Roh, wait a few days, now that it’s on the net, someone may be knocking at your door soon. This one did……..”The young man in the photo is the 11-yr-old son of Shawn Moore. The gun is a .22 rifle, a copy of the AR-15, but a 22 caliber. The photo was posted on Facebook by a proud father. That Facebook posting apparently triggered an anonymous call to New Jersey’s Department of Youth and Family Services (DYFS). On Friday night, March 15th, two representatives from the state’s social services office (along with four local police officers) came to the… Read more »
I live in a patriarchal household and I’m damn proud of it. I grew up in a patriarchal home and am sure as hell glad I did. But I am curious …. “patriarchy is negatively thrown around without question by many” Ahem ahem …. more then 50% of kids are raised by single moms and let’s be honest, things don’t look too good these days for the fatherless kids (stone cold data to back it up). When is the light going to be shown on the “matriarchs” who are raising these kids? What, because women are “motherly” and “nurturing” they… Read more »
Fortunately, Elliot killed more men than women, so he’s doing his part to even out that 90% figure. Aren’t you proud of him?
I presume that the Patriarchy will somehow survive the loss of the handful of evil, oppressive men that Elliot managed to eliminate. Tell me, how many evil, oppressive men will need to die to finally destroy the patriarchy?
I find a small change of perspective answers questions like that:
Patriarchy is not a war of men against women. Patriarchy is a war of men against men, in which women(‘s bodies) are the prize.
Elliot Rodger killed men because they took women’s bodies away from him. He hated women because they took their own bodies away from him. No contradiction there.
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CW
8 years ago
Your own citations do not support your assertations. Who’s fevered imagination was the source for the 90% “statistic”? Actually I don’t even want to know. Another person trying to score political points on a tragedy…
Patriarchy exists. It’s a real thing. But, it’s also over-diagnosed sometimes. If patriarchy really is to blame for everything that it’s blamed for, then patriarchy has to be the most incredibly powerful, most totally indestructible thing that human beings have ever invented. It has to be the most awesome invention in all of human history. I don’t mean awesome in a good way, I just mean awesome in terms of sheer power. “Awesome” the way that a supernova is awesome. Patriarchy has come to dominate the planet, culture after culture, century after century, and it’s alive and kicking with no… Read more »
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Or maybe those people died because they were unable to defend themselves. How far do you think Rodger would have gotten if any of his victims shot back? 9-11 happened because the people on those planes were disarmed and left helpless by their own government.
“9-11 happened because the people on those planes were disarmed and left helpless by their own government.”
So your theory is that if the passengers could have carried guns, the hijackers somehow wouldn’t have? Or if they all had guns, some random passenger’s finger would have been readier to a trigger?
People like you are why I’m glad I don’t live in America.
What are you going to do at 30,000 feet up if your plane is hijacked? Call 911? Hope a Sky Marshal is on board? Tasers work just as well and won’t puncture the skin of the aircraft. Even with firearms there are special rounds like Magsafe or Glaser that break apart on hard surfaces like bone or a bulkhead so there is no overpenetration. Even if a hijacker has a gun, it does him no good if he doesn’t know who else on the plane might have one. Do the police and military where you live not have guns?
Don’t pay attention; American, even more the men, are too self absorbed into their own American world to see further.
“How far do you think Rodger would have gotten if any of his victims shot back?”
I mean, the dude just wants people to walk around with guns, lmao!
But Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs) like Elliot (he had subscribed to several sites) wouldn’t want to attack patriarchy.
Based on that logic (you are defined by what sites you subscribe to) I’m a feminist, a cosplayer, animator, comic writer, manga creator, chef, pro video gamer, youtube star, and newspaper writer.
Or at the very least could you name some of these “several site” he subscribed to? Come on at least AVfM or Spearhead?
“Patriarchy” is NOT equal to “Men”……..At best it’s a definition of the social structure organization plan that both women and men interact under…… maintained by both……created by both…….with somewhat differing benefits and liabilities for both. It’s Outdated / slow to adapt, just as all social structures are during times of extremely rapid change. But don’t remove women’s social agency by ignoring that it exists as fully equal to men’s social agency. If there is a group responsibility, it belongs to all of us regardless of gender, sex or outlook.
It’s difficult to take someone seriously, PhD. or no, when she can get her facts straight, even to the extent of copying them accurately from the sources she cites. For instance, she says, “Ninety percent of the targets of mass killings are women.” Then she provides a link. But when we go to that site, do we find evidence supporting her statement? No. We find instead a statement that 90 percent of *school* mass killings are female. That is very different from all mass killings. Furthermore, the source she cites isn’t even the original source. That is another source, another… Read more »
Actually it’s still nowhere close to 90%- it’s 55% from the very source she cites. Given the female dominated population at schools it’s proportional at best and potentially under targeted. The author is lying.
I’ve found this happens a lot, actually. Circular citation. blogs citing other blogs that cite the first blog. Where did the “data” actually come from? Nobody knows.
How do we go about and change it? I’m trying on a personal level but I’m at a loss as how to make much of a difference at a societal level.
It seems to me there are far more idiots than those who want to hear what your saying and I have no idea on how to get through to them that anyone violating someone’s personal rights is wrong, male female or otherwise.
@ Luke Davis If you can’t defend yourself, you’re a p*ssy. If you can’t defend your women, what kind of man are you? Men don’t ask for help or they’re not supposed to. Men also seem to have difficulty helping other men. I wonder how much the resistance to what your selling is fueled by men feeling that they can protect their women or possibly being unwilling to admit that they can’t. I know I always felt more masculine when a female friend or relative asked me to walk her to her car or home. Whenever they were afraid or… Read more »
“Think women are your problem….take a look in the mirror…” It is so sad to listen to Elliot’s friend, Andi, and his former roommate, Rugg, talk about him….they said he seemed like the loneliest guy in the world…just saying the most negative and depressing things…Rugg would invite him out and Elliot would just pass on it…I think Rugg said he was almost not even surprised when he heard that it was Elliot who did the shootings…he said the warning signs were there…in retrospect, he seemed to regret that there was not more he could have done to help him at… Read more »
I think the problem is, and you can see how people have responded by basically attacking and trying to bootstrap him to things they already hate, is that the only Elliot most people are even acknowledging is Elliot after the moment he decided to go on his killing spree.
Its easy to pile the hate onto that Elliot because he’s a killer and its easy to hate killers.
That’s why you aren’t seeing much of the outreach that could have prevented him from going on that killing spree.
Okay dads, grab your balls …. here is the latest. “Father faces child cruelty charges for teen’s punishment “Even after being arrested, a Douglasville father still feels he did nothing wrong by punishing his 16-year-old son by making the. … “In between that time, he was at home having to move rocks and stuff from one side of the yard to the other” Kauai man gets probation for making son, 8, walk 1 mile home. When De Mond arrived with his 3-year-old son at Kilauea Elementary School to pick up his two older boys, ages 6 and 8, from an… Read more »
My 8 yr old ran a 5k. Guess we were REALLY abusive.
Ruh Roh, wait a few days, now that it’s on the net, someone may be knocking at your door soon. This one did……..”The young man in the photo is the 11-yr-old son of Shawn Moore. The gun is a .22 rifle, a copy of the AR-15, but a 22 caliber. The photo was posted on Facebook by a proud father. That Facebook posting apparently triggered an anonymous call to New Jersey’s Department of Youth and Family Services (DYFS). On Friday night, March 15th, two representatives from the state’s social services office (along with four local police officers) came to the… Read more »
I live in a patriarchal household and I’m damn proud of it. I grew up in a patriarchal home and am sure as hell glad I did. But I am curious …. “patriarchy is negatively thrown around without question by many” Ahem ahem …. more then 50% of kids are raised by single moms and let’s be honest, things don’t look too good these days for the fatherless kids (stone cold data to back it up). When is the light going to be shown on the “matriarchs” who are raising these kids? What, because women are “motherly” and “nurturing” they… Read more »
Love your last paragraph.
Fatherlessness is probably the single greatest social issues our young face.
Fortunately, Elliot killed more men than women, so he’s doing his part to even out that 90% figure. Aren’t you proud of him?
I presume that the Patriarchy will somehow survive the loss of the handful of evil, oppressive men that Elliot managed to eliminate. Tell me, how many evil, oppressive men will need to die to finally destroy the patriarchy?
I find a small change of perspective answers questions like that:
Patriarchy is not a war of men against women. Patriarchy is a war of men against men, in which women(‘s bodies) are the prize.
Elliot Rodger killed men because they took women’s bodies away from him. He hated women because they took their own bodies away from him. No contradiction there.
Your own citations do not support your assertations. Who’s fevered imagination was the source for the 90% “statistic”? Actually I don’t even want to know. Another person trying to score political points on a tragedy…
Patriarchy exists. It’s a real thing. But, it’s also over-diagnosed sometimes. If patriarchy really is to blame for everything that it’s blamed for, then patriarchy has to be the most incredibly powerful, most totally indestructible thing that human beings have ever invented. It has to be the most awesome invention in all of human history. I don’t mean awesome in a good way, I just mean awesome in terms of sheer power. “Awesome” the way that a supernova is awesome. Patriarchy has come to dominate the planet, culture after culture, century after century, and it’s alive and kicking with no… Read more »