The Black Community has been asking you to shut up, but obviously, you’re not listening as usual. Or maybe some of your black “friends” aren’t ready to tell you this so bluntly because they don’t really want to find out how subversive your racism is. Or maybe they just don’t want to be the one to expose it. I don’t know. I can’t speak for the Black Community. And wait for it, here’s my point …
Btw. Just to point out the obvious. Trump hasn’t even taken office yet, yet 2500 jobs from Ford and Carrier stayed. There is no way those jobs would have stayed had Clinton have won. Lots of spins out there but this is real.
That is because he put pressure on Pence to sweeten the deal so they would stay. We should not have to submit to economic blackmail to a company that is hugely profitable and they still be outsourcing jobs to Mexico so the USA loses anyway: http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/30/carrier-plans-move-1100-jobs-mexico-president-elect-trump-totally-played.html
Mr. Snow, Your piece is deficient if it was meant to provide a justification for the directives you give about shutting up. It lacked an argument. Worse, it was self-defeating. Don’t you see? You tell your readers (your readers who disagree with you, that is), that they can’t speak for other people. And then you immediately proceed **speaking for those people you claim should not be spoken for.** Further, you proceed to speak **as if you can speak with authority about what a certain group ought to do**–which implies you have the authority to speak about what is and is… Read more »
I don’t understand something here. It says 50 comments. Although I didn’t count it doesn’t look like 50 comments here. Where’s the rest of them?
I’m thinking that the discussion devolved rather quickly and there was a need to censor some of the more hateful comments.
The op incited such by attacking a sub group of people rather then open and honest and intellectual discussion on the matter, which, of course, is like a honey to the bees attraction, as we see with some of the name calling and accusations that did sneak through.
I can respect those that tried, for their efforts, but It’s why I didn’t bother participating. it’s not the way to resolve anything.
Completely understand DJ. Thanks for the explanation.
People like you DJ and Mark that treated other people as sub group.
Don’t lose sight of the forest because of the trees. Just read the demands of BLM, and you will understand what this is about. It’s been about this for a very long time.
Excellent piece. The cold, hard, fact is that most White people feel entitled and superior, both liberals and conservatives as well as moderates that they tend to forget that it is not always about them! We need to learn that sometimes the best thing to do is to shut up and listen.
Hal, You’re right in that sometimes the best thing in a given situation is to shut up and listen. There are many times I have had to do that. Unfortunately, the author gave no reason to think following his orders is the right thing to do in this case. And worse, he actually undermined his own case (by making it self-defeating) that this was the right thing to do. He has given us no reason to think his commands regarding this issue have any justification for being followed. If such reasons exist, he hasn’t given them.
It is the conservative white folks that need to shut up and listen, but they can and won’t.
“It is the conservative white folks that need to shut up and listen, but they can and won’t.”
Good one.
Thank you.
That was sarcasm
So what?
“It is the conservative white folks that need to shut up and listen, but they can and won’t.”
First, you’re acting in the way you are charging others of acting–that is, like a bigot. That’s inconsistent. Second, why do you want your opponents to shut up? I, on the other hand, don’t ask you to shut up; I ask you, and others who hold your views, to offer **a rational argument** for those views. See the difference?
No, it is right winger like Bill O’Reilly who are telling people to shut up and don’t listen to rational argument let along offer a rational argument for his viewpoint
You lost me when the name calling started. Everyone is entitled to his opinion, including you. Except you do what most Liberal/progressive thinkers do, which is to silence the opposition with name calling or aggressiveness. If I support traditional marriage, you yell shut up homophobe! If I don’t support amnesty, you yell shut up followed by whatever derogatory name is popular. If I don’t support BLM, its shut up you racist. Your never have dialogue because most of the facts are against you and your ideology. So its easier to yell or type, shut up you racist. No one wants… Read more »
No Tim, it the conservatives who do most of the name calling and being aggressive. Look at Fox News, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck. They are not the ones being tolerated of other people’s opinions. Most conservatives never want to have a dialogue because the facts are against them and their ideology.
That is absolutely not true. I could give you reams of examples how the illiterate left left has made a full out attack on the first amendment. All in the name of inclusion. They have gone after Christianity with a vengeance, yet remarkably excluded Islam from any of their zealotry and hate for anyone not like them. Those examples from college campuses all across the country, cities, local governments and workplaces would fill a book. If it’s not what the left wants to hear they go after the person who says it. The conservatives don’t listen to the evangelical far… Read more »
It is absolutely truth considering the fact how the illiterate Republican Party and illiterate corporate media particularly Fox New and the illiterate right wing has made a full out attack on the First Amendment. Gone after Christianity? Another conspiracy theory by the right wing with no factual evidence to back it up. Right wingers don’t listen to evangelists? If that was true, those evangelists would have been put out of business a long time ago, and would have to sell their radio and TV stations because their ratings were too low to pay the bills. You Republicans help create the… Read more »
No, it’s absolutely *not* true. Conservatism is, by definition, tolerant of disagreeing ideas. This is because conservatism believes in *conserving* knowledge and institutions of civil society, most fundamentally, the knowledge and foundational principle that human beings intrinsically are of infinite value. What this translates to is that disagreement doesn’t deserve condemnation. This is where we get the classical definition of tolerance–tolerance presupposes disagreement. It is the Left that eschews this principle. They eschew it because, at bottom, on Leftism, human beings are secondary in importance to a will-to-power. By far, the most hateful, spiteful, intolerant people I know are of… Read more »
Good luck on getting gggg to ever even acknowledge your post, much less merely not changing your words and tossing it back to you. You’ve said some important things.
I take the words and throw them right back at you because people like you failed to see let alone acknowledge how extreme right wing people have been destroying the country for the last 36 years.
Right. Because the Leftist tack our policies have been taking the past several decades have been tried and worked so well before. Humanity fared exceptionally well under Naziism (which, despite being called “right wing” is really Leftist policies with a different political aim–both, contrary to Conservatism, affirm a will to power, and deny the intrinsic value of all human persons, and the inalienable rights they possess in virtue thereof). Humanity fared exceptionally well under communism, too! Look at the results of decades of such Leftist rule in Eastern Europe, or the Soviet Union, or China, or North Korea. I bet… Read more »
Humanity has not fared well under right wing capitalism in places like Central and South America nor has right wing policies and capitalism lifted the boat for the world’s population since half the world’s population is still struggling to survive on anywhere from $2 to 10 dollars a day. And whose cause the economic scandals on Wall Street in 1987 and 2008 plus the Savings and Loan Collapse of the 1990s? It was right wing policies.
Yes is it true. Conservativism doesn’t tolerant ideas that are different. The most hateful, spiteful, intolerant people I have seen and hear are those on the right and tolerant right wingers are an extinct species.
No it is the illiterate right that has made an all out attack on the 1st Amendment and they are the ones that don’t want to hear anything and go after the person who say it. If the Republicans had not made a mess of the country, then Trump would have not been put in office, and the result is that many conservative rural Republicans vote for Trump and now we are going to all pay for their follies.
WOW, great response. What a lot of whites DON’T know is that there are countless blacks that agree with what you and I say. But as TJ Sotomayor says, they are called “coons” “sellouts” etc… And what a lot of liberal whites don’t realize is that many in the black community are threatened if they speak out. There is another LIB world out there that the liberals don’t know about much less realize that exists. They’re too busy with their OWN agenda, thinking they make a difference or better yet, forcing THEIR agenda on people, to see the reality. The… Read more »
And there are some conservatives who are threatened by their own group if they dare to agree with the liberals and progressives because they don’t tow the hard conservative right wing line. And the right wing hard core conservatives don’t care about what the right wing moderate conservatives have to say and are too busy forcing THIER OWN AGENDA on their own people to see reality.
Tom Brechlin, You’re exactly right. And it goes to show that the Leftist doesn’t care about black people qua human being. Counterexamples to their view are just dismissed out of hand. The Left cares only about those black people who agree with them–because the Left doesn’t want the good of people per se–it wants power. Good intentioned Leftists (and there are surely many) want the good of people only insofar as it lines up with their view of society. Those who disagree with the Left are treated by the Left as negatively and inhumanely as the law will allow. They… Read more »
It is the right wing white people who don’t care about black people with all the vile speech that they have been spewing about every since Obama came into office and are attacking people inhumanly who defend civil rights of the black folks, Right wing people are the ones who don’t take kindly to arguments or a reasoned case to be the final court of arbitration and are the ones who do the name calling, threatening, and do not use rationality to prove their side and use violence and power to prove their case. Right wingers are the ones that… Read more »
Your probelm, Ggggg, is that you assume disagreement with your methods or policies means we disagree on the principles. Let’s take Affirmative Action: You don’t realize that we don’t oppose affirmative action because we hate people of other races (after all, Conservatism is a set of principles, not a race, and in addition, comprises people of many races and skin colors). We oppose it because it is unjust. We don’t oppose civil rights at all. Though we oppose certain abuses against humanity done in the name of civil rights–such abuses are no part of civil rights at all, and so,… Read more »
“Your probelm, Ggggg, is that you assume disagreement with your methods or policies means we disagree on the principles.”
No Jib, that statement applies to people like you.
Conservatives have opposed things like labor rights, free education, free affordable medical care, and unions; otherwise, this country would have the same decent life style that the USA had back in the 1950s and 1960s. The conservatives business leaders think that they are the only ones with any kind of rights and the rest of us are not entitled to them even though we are all of the same flesh and blood.
Conservatives are too busy with their own agenda and don’t care about the rest of the population and/or forcing their own agenda down people’s throat.
Great reply, Tim.
No, it is conservatives like you and Bill O’Rielly that tries to silence the opposition with name calling and/or aggression and who are intolerant of other people.
Dear (willfully ignorant) black people of America,
Address the 10 to 1 ratio of black on white crime vs white on black crime, and I might just be willing to hear what you have to say. There won’t be any sitting or shutting up, but I may extend the generosity of not dismissing you out of hand.
Deal?
Spoken like a truely angry black man…trapped in a white mans body. This essay makes me think movements like BLM are more like a man dying of congestive heart failure, diabetes, and lung cancer, who fails to recognize his bad diet and 5 pack a day smoking habit may have something to do with his bad health. And PS, if you wanted your message heard as other than an angry, incoherent rant, don’t jab your finger into the chest of your readers.
I think Boris is the reason authors and others feel the need to shout and say “shut up.” [Right, it’s Obama’s fault that there’s so much recent racial tension: that’s simply willful ignorance. It takes determined racism to even make that statement, if you’ve ever actually listened to the gracious and careful way that Obama has addressed the racial tension in America]. That said, I think for anyone who might actually be persuaded by reason away from this white man backlash, it takes understanding and education. The first thing is to understand where they’re coming from, because there are legitimate… Read more »
The Washington Post used to have it broken down by gender and race. I don’t know why the breakdown is no longer there, but even if you assume that all 42 women killed by police were black, you would still have about 12 times as many white men killed (494 white men and 0 white women). As a proportion of society, white men are about 5 times the number of black women or they’d be killed at about two times the rate. White non-Hispanic about 60%. Black about 12% https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00 From what I remember, 20 of the women killed were… Read more »
.” They exacerbate the situation by providing the enemy with an enemy.”
Right wings exacerbate the situation by looking for enemies whether the left wing provides one or not.
Feel better now, chief? Deep cleansing breaths. That’s it, in and out, in and out.
All set now? C’mere, gimme a hug.
13% of your country are responsible for over 50% of murders alone.
You sir(and I use that term, in the loosest possible sense), are and ignorant fool.
Almost all the white collar, corporate crimes are committed by wealthy white folks and that make you and even bigger ignorant fool.
You forgot to say that when we point out that white men are killed by police at a rate five times as often as black women, we fail to realize that these black lives are worth more than five times our lives. Maybe YOU need to work on that racism thing yourself.
Hi Jon, You’re very right in what you say, there are a lot of people who need to understand your underlying message. The sad and unfortunate side of this is that the people who you are addressing this to are the same people who will immediately shut down just from reading your belligerent title. And the people actually reading this are the people who you are not addressing, nor need your brash bullying style of message delivery. So really what you have written is essentially a ‘staw man’ article. the people you’re trying to reach are not reading, and the… Read more »
I couldn’t agree with you more.
A-freaking-men.
And people like Snow wonder why no one is willingness I hear what they have to say.
I couldn’t agree with the message more. Just unimpressed by obnoxious delivery. It’s Trump’s style. You can do better…can’t you?
I don’t think Mr. Snow can’t do any better since people have refused to listen or just don’t want to listen and harsh words have to be used to get people’s attention these days.
And we all know the best way to get people to listen to you is to tell them to shut up…
Well, Bill O’Reilly did it all the time and the leaders at Fox never reprimand or fire him for him to tell people to shut up. In basic training, DIs tell people to shut up and many parents tell their kids to shut up.
Nothing you said changes the fact that telling people to shut up is a laughably stupid way to try and get others to convert to your point of view.
Snow isn’t talking to kids and soldiers under his command, he’s talking to his peers.
“Nothing you said changes the fact that telling people to shut up is a laughably stupid way to try and get others to convert to your point of view.”
You need to direct your remarks to people like Bill O’Reilly, drill sergeants,and parents and see what kind of response you get from them. Of course, the drill sergeants would say that telling people to shut up has work for years and they see no reason to change it.
Did Bill O’Reilly write this article? Did a drill seargant? Then why the hell are you bringing them up?
Seriously, do you have anything to add to this discussion or do you just want to argue for the sake of arguing?
i am bringing it up because that is the way it was back then and still is now. Well, lawyers argue when they do not have the facts or the law on their side. That is an unwritten rule from radio show host Norman Goldman who himself was a lawyer. Seriously, how does anyone take Bill O’Reilly seriously or believe him when he is telling people to shut up.
Again, Bill O’Reilly has nothing to do with this article. Neither does Norman Goldman, or the Republican Party, or any other straw man you want to prop up. You’re just bringing them up because you’re incapable of forming an actual argument to the topic at hand, which was that telling people to shut up does nothing but make them dig in their heels and not listen. But that’s what you do in every post I’ve ever seen you make on this site, so I’m not surprised.
Again people like Bill Reilly and the Republican Party play a large part in being an influence for good or bad on how people treated each other. You just can’t or won’t admit it, so I am not surprised.
Do you have any evidence that Bill O’Reilly or the Republican Party motivated the writer of this article? If not, then you’re using a straw man. You don’t seem to understand what that is, so let me give you the definition- “A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent” This argument was about whether or not the author’s way of arguing was effective in getting their point across. Whatever may have influenced… Read more »
Do you have any evidence that Bill Reilly and the Republican Party have not created such animosity in this country with their use of language like telling people to shut up thus making themselves poor models on how people should communicate with each other?
Then don’t hold your breath. The rich and conservatives create this situation by controlling and using the media for their own purposes.
Of course you couldn’t do it. Why am I not surprised, it’s been two months and you’re still spewing irrelevant crap. Since you (still!) don’t know how to debate, I’ll give you another lesson. It’s YOUR job to prove YOUR argument, not mine to disprove it. If you think the poor communication method used in this article is somehow the fault of conservatives, it’s YOUR job to offer proof positive of that, not mine to disprove it. Maybe a nice,more try picture will help you understand what you’re getting wrong- https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof And for the record, his last name is spelled… Read more »
And ;guys like Bill O’Reilly have been spewing irrelevant crap for years and when people give evidence that proves them wrong, they reject the evidence outright so DON’T give me this crap about trying to prove you wrong. Welcome to the new America where people don’t have to prove whether you or the other person is right or wrong and it has been that way since the 1980s. You have conservatives people on this GMP spewing half baked rants about the press being liberal, rich people and corporations being taxed to death, guns protecting our freedom, etc. Don’t like my… Read more »
“I don’t have a valid argument, so I’ll just attack somebody else! That’ll keep people from recognizing that I’m a worthless idiot who has no idea what he’s talking about!” I just paraphrased every comment you’ve made in this discussion, and on this side in general. I didn’t ask you to prove me wrong, I asked you to prove yourself right. If you want people to take you seriously, provide some I actual EVIDENCE of your claims. Whether or not other people do so does not justify your not doing so. Otherwise, you’re the same thing as you think Bill… Read more »
I have provide valid arguements on this website, but I have and worthless idiots and buffons like you who would accept them so you are no better tha Bill O’Rielly. So what if you are paraphrasing every comment I make? What is your point?
I meant to say that you won’t accept them.
You might as well have not wasted your time correcting that- it was a nonsensical grammatically tortured comment either way.
If it was torture for you, that is your problem, not mind.
“So now you’re just reduced to copying all of my comments but changing the target of them from you to conservatives? Maybe you actually are a mentally challenged toddler. I’m not interested in being the messenger boy for a worthless little twit like you. If you have anything to say to conservatives, do it yourself. But first, I suggest taking a couple of elementary school grammar and spelling classes so they can actually understand what you’re saying.”
I suggest you take some classes on logic so people can understand what you are actually saying.
Gggggg,
I have taught logic to undergrad philosophy students–the department in which logic is taught at the university. I can understand Max Allen’s points just fine. The fact that you think he’s guilty of fallacious reasoning tells me you would do well to take your own advice to enroll in a class on logic.
No Mr. Allen needs to take a logic class.
Hm. Two can play this game: no, you need to take the logic class if you’re going to talk about logic as if you’re bringing the thunder. I mean, come on, brah, you didn’t even recognize that logic is a formal system. It’s about relations between propositions, it has nothing to say about the truth of the propositions on which it operates, or how sentences expressing those propositions carry semantic meaning. So it hardly follows from your spirited admonition to Max Allen to “take some logic classes so people can understand what you are actually saying” that that has any… Read more »
No it is Mr. Allen who need to take the logic class. You need to teach logic to right wing conservatives since they don’t know how to argue without name calling, etc.
“No it is Mr. Allen who need to take the logic class. You need to teach logic to right wing conservatives since they don’t know how to argue without name calling, etc.”
This cuts both ways. It applies to anyone who reasons invalidly. I don’t remember Max Allen’s posts, so don’t care to comment (in my experience, people often call things fallacies that are not in fact fallacies). I have seen some conservatives reason invalidly…that is true. I have seen many Left-leaning folks reason invalidly.
If you don’t remember Max Allen’s posts then that is your problem not mind.
“I have seen some conservatives reason invalidly…that is true.”
Go to Fox News and you will see how the conservatives in that organization are always wrong with their reasons. Studies have shown that those who watch Fox News end up being stupider and dumber after watching and listening to Fox.
My point is, you have done nothing but rant about conservatives (in increasingly poor grammar) in a discussion that had nothing to do with them at the start, as you have done countless other times on this site. You have offered no proof of any of your idiotic claims, so there’s nothing for me or anyone else to accept. You have the argumentative skills of a mentally challenged toddler. Do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself on here.
And you have conservative people on this website ranting about labor, liberalism , unions and often no proof for their idiotic claims so there is nothing for me to accept and they have the argumentative skills of spoil brat and mentally challenged toddler. Tell the conservatives to do themselves a favorite and stop embarrassing themselves on this website, in the social media, and in the mainstream media.
And for the record, you have plenty of people who can read, write, and spell; however, when it comes to making good products and services work at reasonable prices those same people have no skils at all to make them, let alone fixed them when they break down and charge outrageous prices for them.
Wow, another straw man. You just don’t quit, do you?
No I don’t quit and there are plenty of other straw people out there as well particularly conservatives.
Conservatives can’t be straw men, because conservatives are people, not arguments. The “man” part of straw man is figurative. Look that word up in a dictionary if you don’t know what it means.
Conservatives are strawmen the way they keep repeating the same useless stuff over and over again. Corporations are not people; however, the Supreme Court have ruled that they are even though they are not.
Corporations are people in the widely recognized sense of being a legal fiction. In other words, they are treated as people, with many of the rights thereof, in the eyes of the law. And it makes perfect sense why: Corporations are manifestations of the equity interests of real people; they need to be protected accordingly because there are real people aback of the corporation.
As to conservatives being strawmen, howabout naming the last 3 books you’ve read that made arguments for conservative views.
Corporations are not people period. They were created by people. They are not entitled to rights that belong to human beings.
@Gggggg “Corporations are not people period. They were created by people.” Yes and no. Yes, they’re not people in the same sense you and I are people. But no, they are TREATED AS people, to a certain extent, for legal purposes–and this is why we call such entities “legal fictions.” “They are not entitled to rights that belong to human beings.” Well then, if you and a buddy form an incorporated entity, you better not do something like, say, putting your money in a bank. Because on your view, you won’t be wronged if that money is stolen. You won’t… Read more »
People don’t have legal recourses against corporations because thanks to their lobbying efforts they have manage to get laws pass denying people to sue them to court and the people are forced to take arbitration where the corporations have the arbitration judges on their side.
Corporations as a group have been protected way too long at the expense of the rest of society.
No you are the bloody idiot. Conservatives are straw people and always will be.
As Max Allen pointed out, strawman is the name for a kind of fallacious argument, which is fallacious for misrepresenting his opponent’s view. Calling conservatives (or anyone) a name, such as “strawman,” fails to do anything to rebut the point that you were offering a strawman argument. It’s just a silly way of changing the subject.
“So you’re reduced to just spitting back out everything I say bou redirecting it at conservatives instead? My God, you are a joke. If you want to say anything to conservatives, do it yourself. I’m not your messenger boy. Although with the way you butcher the English language in your posts, I doubt they’ll be able to understand you.” No you are the joke. Don’t like being the messenger boy, too bad. Yeah, and Trump, Bush, Jr., and the other Republicans have been butchering the English language every time they open their mouth and you wonder how they ever manage… Read more »
You got that right. I don’t even listen to the drivel that comes from gggg any more. It’s all turnabout of words, you say liberals, they say bill O’Reilly. Makes absolutely no sense at all. None
Well, I don’t listen to your drivel either, I just reply to them. Well,Bill O’Reilly and the rest of people at Fox News still gets paid for saying things that make absolutely no sense at all. None at all, yet, people still believe them.
Gee, what about the Republican Party. They don’t have anything to discuss about fixing the nation’s problems and just want to argue about anything and everything about what is wrong with Obama or what Obama does. Furthermore, you have people like Bill Hannity, O’Reilly, and just about every person in the Fox network who wants to argue for the sake of arguing and wants to win every argument at all cost no matter who they hurt.
@ Gggggg
Or they understand how to do math and realize that white men are killed by police at five times the rate of black women. Maybe those of use who are proficient in math realize this is a MALE thing more than a BLACK thing.
@Anderson. Do the math and realizes that it is the Afro-Americans who get into and get stopped and frisk by the police in New York City. Or they get cited more times and get haul into court and/or debtors prisons for failed to post bail, not being able to pay the various tickets and court costs (like what was happening in Ferguson, Missouri) and it was happening to both BLACK MALES and FEMALES.
@ Gggggg And white females are being sent to prison so that means it’s not a race thing and yet white men are still going to jail at rates that exceed black females. If you say it’s not the rate when it comes to black women then it shouldn’t be the rate when it comes to white women. If you say that it’s the rate, then you need to explain to me why white men are several times more affected by law enforcement than black women. You can’t because it’s not a issue of race as much as it is… Read more »
@John Gottman Anderson.
It is still a race thing: http://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/prison-population-statistics/. Just because more White men are in jail/prison doesn’t change the fact it is a fact that most our prisoners are minorities. Your ideology won’t allow to see the discrimination minorities, poor people, and women are subject to compare to white people and wealthy people (who are mostly white).
@ Gggggg
I never said there wasn’t a racial component. I simply point out and the data supports that the biggest single factor is gender. Yet is this something that BLM will even recognize?
That’s like having gangrene in your foot, but being more concerned with clipping your long toenails.
Yeah and cops thinks that the BLM is a terrorist organization.
They are
Wrong again.
BLM is an anti-law enforcement association
No they are not.
Sorry. No sympathy. Writes get killed more often. Blacks get stopped and frisk ed. I’ll trade places just fine.
Blacks get harass, beaten and kill more than cops than whites. No sympathy? Well, you it proves that you can’t put yourself in some else shoe.
Gggggg, “I don’t think Mr. Snow can’t do any better since people have refused to listen or just don’t want to listen and harsh words have to be used to get people’s attention these days.” You speak as if Mr. Snow is a prophet crying out from the wilderness to a stiff-necked people unwilling to listen to his message. He therefore must resort to speak harshly to get peoples’ attention (end justifies the means, right? Interesting question: would he be justified in putting a boot on his opponents’ necks if it got their attention? The problem is that your prophet characterization… Read more »
No Jib, it is those stiff neck people who speak harshly and rudely and put their boots down on their opponent’s neck and they are the ones who know nothing and can’t provide a logical, rational argument for their viewpoints.
This article will help the problem be solved just as well as all the problems you point out in it. Telling people to shut up is just asking for an argument. I support everyone’s freedom of speech as bad as their thoughts or as much as I disagree with anyone, I would never insist on anyone shutting up.
Well, people use the words Shut up all the time. If people don’t like the words maybe we should delete those words from our vocabulary. Then again, we should outlaw foul language.
“Well, people use the words Shut up all the time.”
The point is, it’s inconsistent with the fairy tale that the Left is tolerant.
No it is the right wing that is intolerant.
No it’s not gggg. It’s proven daily that the left is dishonest. We see it all the time. The American people, as a whole, now see it too. Thank you Jill Stein! Your rapidly losing your relevance. Not because of trump but by that which you did and continue to do. Twist the words. Idgaf. But we see what you’ve done. And where you’re trying to get to. Keep it up. Just proves us correct. It’s going to get stronger too.
No Mark, it is right wing that has always been dishonest and we see it all the time and you will be seeing more of it and you will be proven wrong.
I am so proud to have been a part of your life, Jon. Even if it was a “Short” scene. You have expressed so eloquently what we all need to hear.
Bette,
I appreciate that you are friends with the Author, and that you agree with him. But please understand that he failed to give any argument, any reasoned case, for his view. This is not the mark of a view that will hold up under real intellectual scrutiny. In student writing, I have often found emotive outbursts to be a way of covering up for lack of ability to argue for a view. I rather think much of what he said is false. It did not help that he was terribly insulting.
No it is people like Max Allen who are saying false thing and are terribly insulting.
Brilliant. Well done, sir.
Thank you for standing up and shouting it, Mr. Snow. Tolerance, patience and understanding aren’t easy, but they can be learned and it’s going to take every single one of us to get the job done.
Erin Lee Damron, How was Mr. Snow tolerant? To the Left, tolerance has been redefined to mean “agreement”. But tolerance presupposes disagreement. He is writing to those who disagree with them telling them to shut up–that their views aren’t even worth being listened to. Problem: this is the definition of *intolerance*. Tolerance would have lacked the name calling and sanctimony. Moreover, how was he exemplifying patience and understanding? Perhaps as bad, Mr. Snow failed to give *any* argument for his view. It was just a list of commands that loosely involved shutting the eff up. He has merely given us… Read more »
You may want to watch this …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwCCj8Dx-gk
Looks like a couple of those ignorant fools just couldn’t listen, all while simultaneously proving your point. Well done, sir.
Thanks so much for the leftsplain. the only one of value. That’s why people don’t listen to you. They’re tuning out. It isn’t racism, it isn’t white privilege. But you make it so so everybody is happy in the little world you’ve created. I suggest, humbly, that you take your own advice and don’t even speak for any white people except for yourself.
Totally agree with you! He sure doesn’t speak for all the white people I know. What really bugs me is that these progressive white liberals “think” what white people think but more importantly what black people think.
Not too long ago a group of blacks in Chicago blasted Obama for his love of immigrants and turned his back on the black community.
And you have white conservatives who think what is best for America and think that what they say represent all of America.
Opposed to the white progressive liberal who pushed their agenda and have us in the mess that we’re in? If you wonder what “mess” I’m speaking of, just look at where “men/boys” stand in society these days.
Opposed to the white conservative who push their agenda and left us in the mess for the last 36 years. Many of these boys/men were put in that mess because of far right wing conservative policies for the last 36 years and many of those men support those policies so they were just as responsible for putting themselves in that mess.
Nice try …
It is the truth.
@ Tom Brechlin
Progressiveness used to be questioning the status quo. Now in many instances “progressiveness” is the status quo and will not be questioned.
Good point John. And when THEY are questioned, as they should be, we see what happens.
And I suggest that rich people and business leaders don’t speak for the American workforce since they don’t believe what comes out of their mouths.
Right wing Republicans are no longer listening to the right wingers anymore because they finally realized that that corporate leaders and Republicans never ever spoken on their behalf.
Mark,
“I suggest, humbly, that you take your own advice and don’t even speak for any white people except for yourself.”
Brilliant. Couldn’t have said it better myself. I notice that he announced no one else can speak for a group of people. After which he spends the rest of the article speaking for groups of people (“the black community”), and implying that his commands have authority for certain groups of people (“whites”). It is rare to find self-defeating arguments given without any attempt to mask the self-defeating nature; this article has managed to do so.
That’s the point of the left, jib. It’s all one way. Notice how all of a sudden the dunning roar has quieted? These folks, no matter how cloaked in nice words, are really not nice people. As a group. I literally don’t know what to say. But based on results, and of how they’re going about things, they are truly looking for a war in philosophy that will not end well for either of us. They are hell bent on destruction of America as we know. And knew it. Not racist America, that’s so overblown. I’ve not gotten a coherent… Read more »
No it is one way or the highway with the right wing people and they are never ever nice and are hell bent on destroying the America and the rest of the world. They are the ones who don’t care about climate change and their corruption is the worst in the last 8 years.
Gggggg, It is Leftism and not Conservatism, that is hellbent on destroying people, albeit with good intentions. Alas, if only the road to hell weren’t paved with those…. Leftism gives no grounds to justify discouraging a will-to-power. This is because it denies the intrinsic moral value of human persons (i.e., moral value independent of what you or I or anyone else says). Because of this, and because people tend to act consistently with their beliefs, Leftists do not value tolerance, though they give lip-service to it. In fact, they have redefined tolerance: they tolerate only that which they already agree… Read more »
As usual JB, you are totally wrong. It is the conservative right wingers who will be destroying the people whether they have good intentions or bad intentions.
Riiiight.
No, you are wrong.
Thank you for the rightplain that has no value which is why people don’t listen to you. Don’t speak for any white people except yourself as well.
You have a black President that has led the country to the most decisive racial polarised that the country has been since the race riots of the 60’s. Black Lives Matter is funded by an old white guy with a history of creating civil unrest, murders and genocide. (SOROS) now, who is will fully ignorant, and who needs to shut the f*ck up?
It’s big business …
“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”
― Booker T. Washington
And you have business people keep talking about how government regulations has hurt them, or unions and higher wages have been killing jobs, or complaining about how hard it is to run a business, or how hard their job is. They also complain about the labor force but don’t want an educated workforce because then they have to pay higher wages and benefits. Seems like to me they don’t want to lose their grievances in order to hide behind their lying, cheating, and stealing from the public.
” …lying, cheating, and stealing from the public.” I presume you’re referring to Hillary?
As usual you are wrong, Brechlin. It is conservatives like Koch Brothers, Trump, Mitt Romney, Dick Cheney, the Bush family or have you forgotten that?
That is not true g. We have already the highest educated workforce population on the planet that this planet has ever seen. To argue that business doesn’t want educated workers is ridiculous since the educated are already there. The argument as a sweeping statement that we need immigrants to make us better leaves out an important part. We need educated immigrants but look at what we’re getting from the illegals. No education so where are the jobs they will go to? Fast food, and janitorial. There’s not much manufacturing here anymore. Our economy is a service and financial economy.
We do not have the highest educated workforce on the planet especially when you have the IMF and the banks telling various nations to cutbacks on their social and education programs in order to pay off their loans and subsidizes the corporate losses. The Republican politicians have continued to cut back on education programs in places like Florida, Wisconsin, and Kansas so you can’t tell me that business people don’t want an educated workforce. If we have invested in our workforce, then we would not need to rely on educated immigrants. In addition, many financial industries like Bank of America… Read more »
Seriously dude or dudette. You make absolute no sense. Imf, bank of America. What???? . Who in the world brought that up?? We don’t need educated immigrants. If we’re going to have immigrants then they should be educated. Your vitriolic hate of corporations is closing your observation of everything. Wtf do you do for a living? Make pottery to sell at craft fairs?
You are the one that makes no sense. Well, the people in Iceland hate the banks and the IMF for very good reason, so you can’t accuse them of closing their observations.
You need to read this article about corporations and open your eyes when it comes to observation of everything: http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/09/02/the-shadow-courts-that-rule-global-trade/
Barack Obama hasn’t “led the country” to racial polarization, unless of course you mean the fact that his very existence, as a Black man in the White House, is to blame? Either way, I think you made Mr. Snow’s point for him perfectly, Boris.
Thar is not true Michael. Every single instance of a black killed by police, regardless of the circumstances he’s called in the DOJ and civil rights. Not one instance of a cop killed has he done this. Not once when a black stabs a white in clear hate of white has he said one darn thing. This has nothing to do with his being black. You’ve trashed the entire white race over this and it’s not true.
100 percent correct! If it’s such a noble cause, why do they always hide their faces?! Cowards – looking for an excuse and justification to act on their ignorant, childish desires.
No Boris, it is the Republican who led the country into the most racial, political, social, and economic polarization since Ronald Reagan in the 1980s. Corporate Conservatives CEOs like Cheney, the Bush family, and the Dulles Brothers have a longer history of murders, creating wars and genocide. You are the one who is fully ignorant and needs to shut up.