'We Need a Promise, Not Just From the White Man, but From Our Peers'

Derek Chauvin controlled his breathing during the reading of the verdict but he could not control his eyes. One can see his soul dying in his eyes.

~~ Comment by T Stephens [show viewer]

Aisha Staggers: “One thing for me that I saw in his eyes was the . . . white man’s privilege [as if he were saying] but i’m white! [How} did you do this to me? Do you not see me? you know i’m also a police officer!”

Jill Jones: “I saw that in his eyes too, but his biggest mistake for me was not testifying.”

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Jill Jones: “There’s a couple of agreements that we’re looking for from the white community but the black community has to come together and make an agreement with itself.”

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On the April 24, 2021 edition of Staggers State Of Thing With Special Guest Jill Jones, the topics that the ladies talked about were:

– Derek Chauvin verdict in the George Floyd murder case
– The deadly shooting of Ma’Khia Bryant
– Arizona Republicans begin reviewing 2020 ballots
– Caitlyn Jenner officially running for governor of California
– The passing of Shock G and Black Rob
– This episode’s cockroach: Josh Hawley for being the only Senator to vote against the hate crime bill

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chris saying before things get rolling
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a question for jill rebaking yes
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what’s going on
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in the united states and i’m gonna have
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to look in back in the uh
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archives when we we we gotta be coming
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you’re going to become we’re going we’ll
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have to do uh one of these jill’s baking
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secrets i’m going to have to do a bake
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off or something
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yes yeah absolutely
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and i mean the people are coming in like
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crazy whoa i mean i’ve been doing
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homemade pasta
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um all sorts of things uh bagels
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uh croissants uh so
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yeah i’m starting to ramp it up ah
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so i guess we’ll see on top chef next
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season no
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you know i worked for a chef uh in new
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york i worked for david burke
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um i was his assistant actually
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and um it’s a tough that it’s like being
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on stage
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working yes i think it’s the next best
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thing to entertainment
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and its business is like being a chef
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because every night is a performance
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but boy is it hard work it is
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very difficult incredibly hard
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brutal send me some bread yeah
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well we could talk about bread and all
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the things we do but
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people are here to hear jill and i you
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should drop knowledge bombs
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so let’s go to it first things first
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well what were most people talking about
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this week
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the george floyd verdict
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so first thing i’m going to ask and then
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you ladies can take over like you do
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where were you when you heard the
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verdict
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standing in front of the tv yeah i
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happened to turn the tv on
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just to see if they came up with a
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verdict and
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i mean i could have had it running so i
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was like waiting you know it was in the
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background and i was working on my
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computer on something and then i went
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because my husband was like the
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verdict’s in the word i was like okay
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you know and that was uh
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yeah it was kind of i was pretty elated
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you know but then there was something
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you know
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i was surprised that they had all three
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counts because i got a little nervous
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like uh oh
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and um but i think the good thing is
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that
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i mean it’s kind of weird because it’s
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not really a celebration
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in a weird way because i started to look
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at
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everybody in that courtroom derek chovin
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and i was like
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why what did you do to your life like
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what happened like how it just went too
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far
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you know just what you know there’s
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always
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i take no joy in someone else’s pain or
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misery no matter
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what they what they are um
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i just found that uh you know nothing
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can bring back george floyd
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um and then what can you do i mean it’s
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like it
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so it’s very bittersweet i don’t think
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it’s there’s a happy ending
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for anyone really are you sure
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um you know at first
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i was i was looking at people’s
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reactions online and people
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you know beforehand people were like oh
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my gosh they haven’t come back with a
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verdict yet
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and i was kind of like well good that
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they haven’t i think that if they came
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back with a verdict
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like within the first hours
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after like within an hour or two i just
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kept thinking of
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um the emmett till acquittal the
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acquittal of the men who killed emmett
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till
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and it took them an hour and they say
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that the only reason that it took them
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an hour is because they stopped to take
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a coke break to drink some coke some
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some cokes and talk and i was thinking
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this with that verdict was that if
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they’d come back within an hour or two
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that they it would have been an
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acquittal
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or a hung jury or they just gave up at
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that point
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um but when they came back like jill
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i was surprised that they came back um
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on all three counts i was expecting
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probably manslaughter
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um i was very surprised that they came
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back with the second degree
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murder conviction and derek children was
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actually surprised if you saw his face
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yeah he had that faith like panic and
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you can
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we could only see his eyes too so we saw
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the interior of his soul he looked
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freaked
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out like freaked he was freaking in that
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chair but
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how composed still i mean that says
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that a lot of that said a lot because i
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might have been bawling my eyes out you
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know
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that said a lot of uh about who he was
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as well
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you know i don’t know if everybody saw
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the numbers on his hands
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when they handcuffed him there he had
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there’s three black three black lines
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and his attorney has since come forward
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and said that um
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he never he before they went back when
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they knew the verdict was coming in they
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they he was he he said if it comes back
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and you’re not
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acquitted here’s my number and
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call me because they did he didn’t get a
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chance to talk to him
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they just basically wrapped him up put
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him in the thing and
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took him off they couldn’t really
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confer you know have any kind of
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conversation
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uh so yeah he said he said that’s what
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the attorney said that it was his phone
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number on the back of his hand we don’t
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really know so cinnamon canelo is saying
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george floyd was surprising but feels
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incomplete how about the other officers
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aren’t they being charged in august yeah
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in august their trials come
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up um an attorney that i saw on msnbc
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said that if they’re smart
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they’re dealing right now
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oh yeah this must have really knocked
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their socks off
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yeah you know like holy hell i mean
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like they they probably didn’t expect it
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either but
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i mean you know the prosecution had an
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amazing case they
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that the way they put it together even
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how they staggered all of the
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um witnesses was they built it like it’s
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all it was
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it really had its you know peaks and
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valleys and low
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moments high moments that that they
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orchestrated that bit
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and it was quite something to see so
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you know of course we know that chauvin
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is going to appeal
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because it’s not over yet well because
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also he stated it each time he was
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asking for a mistrial
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it’s important when you’re in a court
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here in america
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your attorney has to say it at sooner
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than later
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because those things go and are used in
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the appellate
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so everyone was we were all kind of like
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why are they doing that but it is
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something that
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that is done if you know and as a matter
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of fact he didn’t
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say it on one quote one day that you
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know
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when uh when the prosecution closed
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their case
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he went on and called his first witness
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he should have actually asked for the
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mistrial
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exactly be right when the prosecution
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ended
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their case saying they did not prove it
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he
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came back the very next day and and um
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asked that so
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you know either way he got in enough
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marks
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and i think there were some things that
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he could appeal on
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just because this is our justice system
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here and for some reason
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it doesn’t there’s something really
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wrong with that too
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i mean you could have somebody going pro
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se which is like if you’re defending
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yourself
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and then
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they still put restraints on people
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there there’s still jargon and filings
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and all this other nonsense that goes
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with it the whole
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damn thing needs to be revamped it’s not
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just the police it is it is the justice
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system
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do you agree aisha yeah i i think that
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um
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i think the entire system because the
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entire system doesn’t work for everybody
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period so until it does
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it really is an unjust system um
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and it’s not it’s not a system that’s
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equally applied
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to everybody either and that that’s part
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of the problem with our justice system i
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think
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with this particular case um
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nelson missed opportunities
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to do things for a mistrial i think the
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things that he’s going to appeal on
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are just nonsense like maxine waters you
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know he’s going to try and appeal on
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that
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because he brought it up um that
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i don’t think is going to um i think
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that’s going to get dismissed
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i think um one of the other things that
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he tried to
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bring up for a mistrial is going to get
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dismissed i think the things that he
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should he should be
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attacking like the fact that there’s a
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juror
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that has a book deal which we talked
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about on this show
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um are things that could get a new trial
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but he’s not going after those well the
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crazy thing is that
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you know when you think about the cost
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of how much
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this trial costs taxpayers um you also
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have to think about the fact
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that most usually when you appeal
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it’s not usually the same attorney i
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mean i don’t know in this case that he
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would keep it it’s usually another
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attorney
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but also if he doesn’t have the support
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of the union going into the next appeal
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then he has a different situation and
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they will rule him as
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indigent it’s when you don’t when you’re
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broke and he’ll get assigned somebody to
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deal with the appeals so
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it’s definitely a long road um
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it’s definitely you know it’s not a it’s
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not a cakewalk but it’s just the justice
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system
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everybody who gets a verdict typically
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has some way to appeal because typically
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a judge makes errors on how they rule
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one of the errors could have been
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sequestering
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lack of of secret sequestration
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for the i would have thought this was
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such an important
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um jury that i would have
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sequestered them that that’s kind of my
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thing
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and you know but um we’ll we’ll see what
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other rulings
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probably the tiptoeing around that last
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piece of evidence
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with dr tobin i think there there will
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be something that gets picked apart
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we we will probably have to just wait to
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see
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how this judge rules on what the
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sentencing is
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i think that’s key and partly because
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our justice system
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is so imbalanced is because each state
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has their own
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set of you know right rules but
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if you know on one hand you have old
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scumbag alan dershowitz
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going around saying he you know stirring
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up the fire about maxine waters
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but what’s interesting about that is
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slowly it came out some of his chauvin’s
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other crimes
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that were not revealed to the jurors
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with this 14 year old that he strangled
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and the feds are investigating him on
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that
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and the feds are also investigating the
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whole minnesota
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police department right every region
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everywhere so
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basically the message that merrick
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garland just sent
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is you can try all you want and you
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might
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give him a year in jail but i’m telling
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you
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he’s going to have another trial or some
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kind of
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something very soon because we
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are looking at how he wrestled and did a
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choke hold on a 14 year old child
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so that that was a big message and we
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got a little opportunity to see how
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merrick garland plays
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he plays pretty close to the vest but
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he’s one of those people that just
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brings it back on you like well if you
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think you’re going out tonight on that
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date you’re not because i got the keys
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you know yeah if you
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think you’re going hang on a minute put
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the brakes on
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i just want to jump in for a quick
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second chris is saying surprise
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when three guilty verdicts came in glad
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of it mind you and hoped it gave the
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family some measure of comfort
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even though it does not bring george
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floyd back
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um real dangle saying the justice system
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is jacked up
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t stevens derek chauvin controlled his
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breathing during the reading of the
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verdict doctor
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is frozen i know uh-oh we’ve never had
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this happen before
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um but i think he can come back in but
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you want to go
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t stephens is saying derek chovin
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controlled his breathing during the
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reading of the verdict but he could not
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control his
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eyes one can see his hands dying in his
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eyes
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one thing for me that i saw in his eyes
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was the whole thing of like
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it was the privilege the white man’s
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privilege that
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but i’m white did you do this to me do
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you not see me
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you know i’m also a police officer
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that was the other thing for me that
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that i saw in his eyes too
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but um his biggest mistake for me was
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not
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testifying yeah if it was
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me on i would have gone up there and
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you know i i know it may have given me
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more time but
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i if if they didn’t believe me but i
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would have tried to have humanized
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myself because you got to remember you
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have a mask on
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and you know all they’re seeing and he
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kept writing and
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that did him some damage i believe he
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did it look it made it look like he
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didn’t care
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like he wasn’t present and in the moment
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and
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as the jurors keep talking keep speaking
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out
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and saying what helped make their
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decision that’s
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also going to um
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affect the trials of the other
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you know the other um three officers
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because these
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jurors are saying it was they’re saying
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it was strictly dr um tobin whose
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testimony really convinced them
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it was so
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you know i’m texting dr vibe to find out
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where he went
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if he’s going to be able to get back on
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oh there you are
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there we go you know what so everyone’s
18:54
jill had technical challenges before he
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came on tonight
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aisha she had some yeah she had some
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fire alarm challenges so i had to round
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it out
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yeah exactly all right so so let’s get
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back
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at it here so here we go yeah we’re
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talking about the
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the controlling you only can see his
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eyes and then
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and chris is saying though what soul
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jovan has no soul this is
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but true you know one thing we have to
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bear in mind
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is that this was bound to happen and
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his people thus which explains why
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they’re doing the minnesota
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investigation on them is because there
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had been too many red flags with him
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and many other officers and they enabled
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him
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and essentially they created the
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monsters so
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if their their policies are creating it
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and not moving forward then they have to
19:51
get to the bottom of this because
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i personally feel that the job is such a
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crazy
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horrible job to have i
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don’t i don’t think it’s healthy for
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anybody to be a law officer
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for that many years i think they should
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move them into other
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areas instead of the street they i
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really just don’t think mentally
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without some kind of evaluation i mean
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heck corporations have psychiatrists
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sitting in their offices in the hall
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so why don’t they have one there i mean
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maybe they do
20:25
that’s a very good point yeah you know
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it’s like my goodness it’s like they
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really need to
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not just when you shoot somebody it’s
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just kind of like
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uh you know what what happened
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you know what what are you going through
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and and that that’s very very important
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you know if if chase and citibank and
20:45
all of them
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have therapists why um why don’t our
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government
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divisions as critical as being in
20:54
in this in the services the first
20:56
responders type of thing
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they they need that i mean it’s a
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you just need to be able but they don’t
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they don’t
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it’s not required they don’t ask for it
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and it’s something that probably should
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be
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required because police officers see so
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much
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on the street you know and you think
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about you think about homicide
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detectives yeah you’re constantly going
21:20
in and out of bloody crime
21:22
scenes and things so there’s that
21:24
obviously messes with your mind
21:26
i think so to not be required to have to
21:29
go
21:29
and get checked into counseling and some
21:32
kind of
21:33
yeah just just a checkup because that
21:36
you know ptsd
21:37
is not uncommon with police officers
21:41
after they’ve retired oh no
21:44
obviously it’s it’s happening on the job
21:48
so i agree any time officer has to
21:50
dispense their weapon
21:52
ongoing counseling not just that one
21:55
visit
21:55
but ongoing counseling should be
21:58
something
21:59
that is a part of the job and you know
22:02
and and let’s look at how
22:04
we train officers too because the trait
22:07
the length of time
22:09
that they train is not long enough one
22:12
two they don’t undergo extensive enough
22:15
psychological evaluation for the job
22:18
they get they get a psychedel that’s not
22:21
you know that that’s complete that’s not
22:24
complete and it doesn’t
22:26
you know they’re not getting they get an
22:28
evaluation but they’re not getting
22:31
counseling before they go on the job
22:34
which which is probably
22:35
something that should be part of police
22:37
yeah it would be part of their support
22:39
for them because the reality is
22:42
i believe the institution itself of
22:45
policing
22:45
hasn’t quite figured out what that
22:49
mean really means to provide that kind
22:51
of mental support when people are
22:54
actually going out there and and uh what
22:57
kind of character do you
22:58
need uh to create and foster
23:01
in order to make them killing machines
23:03
because that’s all they’ve been creating
23:05
lately
23:06
they have created killing machines and i
23:09
don’t know how
23:10
many of these people are sleeping at
23:12
night
23:13
just and and they’re they do have a high
23:15
rate of uh suicides in the police
23:18
departments
23:18
and things like that so you know it goes
23:21
both ways it cuts both ways
23:23
when we’re in a really aggressive world
23:26
i think everybody needs a little bit of
23:28
support and it’s just
23:30
not enough to just say oh well this is
23:32
the way it used to be done
23:34
you know it’s it’s just i see more
23:36
people acknowledging their ignorance
23:38
than their than their ability of um
23:43
of uh progress and and and intelligence
23:47
you know and it’s not until i’m not
23:50
intellectualizing things
23:52
i’m actually coming from as a human
23:54
being it’s like it seems like that group
23:56
and this macho bravado thing that’s
23:59
going on
23:59
has a real problem with uh showing any
24:02
kind of weakness or saying
24:04
hey i need help here yeah and also too
24:07
we we’ve really gotten away from the
24:09
community policing model
24:11
absolutely you’ve had where not only do
24:14
you have
24:15
just the substations in communities but
24:18
you also have police officers who were
24:20
hired
24:21
from the community that they lived in so
24:24
they had they had greater care for the
24:27
people
24:28
that they were there
24:32
to protect and serve they knew the
24:34
people in the they knew the people in
24:36
the neighborhood
24:37
so they saw them as actual human beings
24:40
when you’re telling people to go police
24:43
people
24:43
instead of going to protect the people
24:47
it’s a whole different mindset
24:50
well we don’t even have that with our
24:52
doctors anymore
24:54
we don’t have a sense of community where
24:56
every time my insurance changes i have
24:58
to get a new doctor
25:00
and you know so we just have created
25:03
this sort of
25:04
um cart a la carte
25:07
type of uh engagement with
25:10
some very critical people in
25:14
your in your village you know we have
25:16
created this very
25:18
impersonal divide and you know for
25:20
whatever reason people want to move up
25:22
they want to move down
25:23
or wherever they’re going to go nobody’s
25:25
consistent i mentioned officer tommy
25:27
norman
25:29
the one uh from i think the midwest
25:31
somewhere and i follow him
25:33
and he knows his neighbors he has
25:36
fundraisers to get them things
25:38
uh food and and all these kind of
25:40
wonderful things he features
25:42
the people on his page it’s it’s
25:44
beautiful
25:45
they need to hire him to head up this
25:49
reform
25:50
and how to you know a lot of these
25:53
officers are being
25:54
shipped into areas like in new york they
25:57
bring in officers
25:58
who are from long island who are working
26:00
the streets in in
26:02
new york city um and vice versa
26:05
so you know it’s like that’s the thing
26:08
everything is too a la carte and it
26:10
becomes really impersonal
26:12
do you think netflix hbo any of them
26:14
have my
26:15
damn allegiance anymore no i’m like i’m
26:18
getting cancelling this right now
26:20
i’m going to do another trial and find
26:21
something else so there is no solidarity
26:24
there’s no allegiance
26:25
but we can’t do that with people okay
26:28
i’m gonna
26:29
just jump in here real dango is saying
26:32
chauvin might say his lawyer messed him
26:33
up
26:34
because his lawyer did not let him take
26:36
the stand well no he can’t say that
26:38
because
26:38
in the trial his lawyer asked him quite
26:41
exclusively
26:42
did i did i impact your decision
26:46
and he said no on the record so he
26:48
doesn’t even have that defense
26:51
okay yeah and chris is saying here in
26:53
regards to the police
26:55
it should be required look at the number
26:56
of white supremacists have already
26:58
infiltrated both
26:59
police the police departments in our
27:01
military truly
27:02
frightening absolutely yeah and that is
27:05
another thing that we’re going to have
27:07
to address in our
27:09
justice system and in our policing
27:11
especially
27:12
is the amount of white supremacist white
27:15
nationalists that have infiltrated
27:17
but that but that is nothing new they’ve
27:19
always been there because if you look at
27:21
the history
27:22
of the police system it started out you
27:25
know
27:26
you start with the early slave traders
27:29
these are the very people that they have
27:31
begun that they began
27:34
with recruiting to be officers of the
27:36
law
27:37
and then you had especially in the 60s
27:40
bill
27:40
connor was the biggest white supremacist
27:43
that you can name
27:44
he was also head of the police
27:46
department in birmingham
27:48
alabama and so um
27:52
they’ve always been there i think now
27:54
we’re at the point
27:55
where we need to really figure out how
27:58
to
27:58
obliterate that aspect of policing
28:03
and unfortunately
28:06
it’s there and it’s so toxic that
28:09
you have a vowed white supremacist and
28:12
then you have people
28:13
who harbor racist beliefs but will not
28:17
call themselves white supremacy right
28:19
and that is the element
28:21
that is more dangerous to people on the
28:24
street
28:24
than the actual avowed white
28:26
supremacists because you can call them
28:28
out
28:28
you know who they are they’re easy to
28:30
identify it’s the people
28:33
who um have the
28:37
um racist beliefs that are more
28:40
difficult to smoke out
28:42
i think what was really important though
28:44
is that
28:46
we’ve kind of exposed uh the
28:49
the need for the change but we
28:52
we also have all of these agitators at
28:55
the same time we have situations with um
28:58
with uh being in prison and
29:01
incarceration rates and all of these
29:03
things so
29:04
we’re in a really um
29:07
we’re in a we’re in that part of the
29:10
laundry cycle that’s uh
29:12
definitely getting bouncing us all
29:14
around with whatever we thought we
29:16
believed or knew
29:17
or or what we even feel yeah right until
29:20
we have a federal government
29:22
that can deal with
29:27
with how we police people you’re gonna
29:29
you’re gonna see
29:30
slow moving on local governments look
29:32
they’re just you saw all those people
29:34
on january 6th there were probably
29:38
there were probably a couple thousand
29:40
people that were
29:41
there however they’re just at the point
29:44
where they’re saying that they
29:45
might be able to arrest and charge
29:49
500 okay that’s it
29:54
and so 500 500
29:58
here we are five months later right
30:01
um but
30:05
we’re expecting local governments to be
30:07
able to do the same
30:09
so and it’s like it’s who’s who’s the
30:12
model
30:13
for this right so the federal
30:15
government’s not doing that
30:17
what are we expecting local governments
30:18
to do so just to close off on
30:21
the george floyd verdict um
30:25
is it oh how could i put it
30:28
there’s an article i have here it’s a
30:29
bit would you consider it a bittersweet
30:31
glimpse of justice in america
30:34
yes i would yeah i would okay
30:37
definitely all right so let’s move on to
30:40
our next conversation topic and we were
30:42
chatting a bit
30:43
myself and joe before we came on live
30:46
and not the george w
30:47
now looking at the deadly shooting of
30:49
makia bryant so you get a verdict in one
30:51
trial
30:52
and now this happens time the verdict is
30:56
announced yeah
30:57
ladies what is your take on the this
30:59
whole brian situation because i’m
31:01
hearing a lot of different things
31:02
what do you hear and what do you have to
31:04
say
31:07
one i don’t like the way the news media
31:09
has
31:10
covered it at the news media
31:13
um and i say this as a member of news
31:16
media um
31:19
other other types of news media have
31:22
covered it very differently
31:24
i black media i think has gotten it
31:26
right
31:28
um mainstream media has not um
31:34
where where the moment that they found
31:37
out that you know they looked in the
31:39
video that she
31:41
did have a knife they’re like oh we
31:43
can’t be sympathetic to this
31:45
16 year old being shot by police
31:47
officers
31:48
and they stay stopped talking about it
31:51
period like it didn’t happen
31:53
and as if she didn’t deserve the kind of
31:57
uh sympathy that a george floyd did or
32:02
uh um dante wright did
32:05
um but the story is
32:08
nonetheless tragic when you when you
32:12
really look at the video and you read
32:15
the details of what happened you have
32:16
this
32:17
child who’s in foster care and
32:20
apparently um the reporting from
32:24
the foster mother is that some of the
32:27
foster children that she had in the past
32:30
who moved out came to the house and were
32:33
harassing her and her sister
32:35
about their bedroom being messy
32:38
and we’re going to attack her violently
32:40
in some way
32:42
and she called the police to come
32:46
and how how the night or whatever was
32:49
introduced
32:51
there’s no one has fessed up to that
32:55
but when you look at the video this
32:58
police officer
33:00
within 10 to 13 seconds of
33:04
getting out of his car fires four shots
33:09
and it just is
33:15
the justification that people have made
33:18
is that well
33:19
she could have she could have hurt the
33:20
other girl which is pot which is
33:22
which is true but four shots
33:25
to the chest
33:28
it wasn’t at her chest it was towards
33:30
her side
33:32
um i think he had no choice
33:36
i know that that knife could have gone
33:38
right into that girl’s liver and that
33:39
would be it
33:41
she that knife could have reached that
33:43
child’s or the other girl’s organs i
33:45
call them child
33:46
children because they’re much much
33:47
younger than me
33:50
but the belligerence
33:53
of the girl to have seen the police pull
33:57
up
33:58
not acknowledge them the other girl in
34:01
the pink acknowledged him
34:02
because he told her to stand there he
34:04
pushed his hands like stop
34:08
but makia took that as her opportunity
34:10
to do
34:11
you know like a quarterback and picked
34:14
up that knife or whatever because
34:16
something something really bizarre
34:20
just probably snapped in her
34:24
but the story that they’re all telling
34:28
each person that’s telling the story has
34:31
a reason to lie about it even the foster
34:34
mom because she makes money off of have
34:36
those kids living there
34:37
so you know what i mean she makes money
34:41
she’s been doing it that’s how she pays
34:43
her bills in her house
34:46
we don’t have enough people that go in
34:48
and by the way her parents her mom and
34:50
dad were down the street
34:51
they live on the same street so
34:55
and the reality is that her mother and
34:58
her dad were trying to get her out of
35:00
out of there but then there’s some
35:02
reports that one of the men there
35:05
might be her dad who went to kick the
35:07
other girl
35:09
so i don’t know if that’s true i know
35:11
that they’re doing the investigation
35:14
i know that you know
35:17
a taser wasn’t legitimately going to be
35:19
able to reach
35:20
as far as they were i don’t know what he
35:23
was supposed to do but i’ll tell you
35:25
what
35:26
if i was the girl in pink i’d be happy
35:29
that he shot her
35:30
because because it was going she was
35:32
going to do it
35:33
she was going to do it and it’s really
35:35
really sad because
35:37
this girl all the adults failed her a
35:40
long long time ago
35:42
and so did society yeah but i don’t
35:46
i just can’t also if if somebody wants
35:48
to kill somebody because other people
35:50
over a bedroom stuff that sounds
35:52
ludicrous that sounds
35:54
stupid you know and i don’t i don’t know
35:57
what the the mother
35:58
she wasn’t paying attention then the
36:00
house mom i don’t think because there’s
36:02
more
36:02
that’s what i’m that’s what i’m saying i
36:04
don’t think that she was she was
36:05
standing outside she came up with the
36:07
other mother right after
36:09
like you see these people in in so many
36:12
ways like
36:13
when they have foster parents and all of
36:15
that stuff
36:16
they are the people that go and there’s
36:18
all kinds of people
36:20
and d you know child services goes in
36:23
and deals with it but no i mean she was
36:26
working a job and
36:27
i’m sorry there was something really
36:29
something else going on
36:31
i don’t believe her i don’t believe it
36:34
was just about
36:35
the girls in their rooms and if it was
36:38
then
36:39
you know then child services failed
36:42
and here’s the the other thing the
36:44
family has no other recourse but to sue
36:47
the foster care system
36:49
because their daughter doesn’t belong to
36:51
them anymore
36:52
right you know they they can’t get a
36:55
reward from the state
36:56
or anything to for a settlement she
36:59
belonged
37:00
to they lost their custody of their
37:03
child
37:04
so what what was that about
37:08
oh the early report from
37:12
earlier or they put it out or they put
37:14
her there it’s two
37:15
two there’s only two ways yeah the early
37:17
reports were that
37:18
she was being abused by someone in the
37:20
house which
37:22
um that’s why i’m that’s why i’m
37:25
suspect as to whether or not the foster
37:27
mother was actually
37:29
in the house when everything started
37:33
they said she walked up with the mother
37:35
shortly after the shooting
37:37
yeah she walked up with the mother
37:39
afterwards she wasn’t there
37:41
but like but like fast enough to be on
37:44
tv and being interviewed
37:46
like you know i don’t even know if
37:47
they’d carted the girl away yet or
37:48
taking her to the hospital
37:50
i mean my thoughts on this is it’s
37:52
really really sad
37:54
but in the heat of that moment and what
37:57
was going on
37:59
someone was going to get killed and even
38:02
from the neighbors video
38:04
i mean so i think the reason people
38:05
backed off was because it made them all
38:08
look like a bunch of fools going and
38:10
defending and like oh my god you know
38:11
another one
38:12
and yeah it’s really sad on some level
38:14
but it
38:16
isn’t like brianna taylor and it isn’t
38:19
like george floyd
38:20
there’s a big difference and we have to
38:22
be really careful
38:23
with our movement going forward in re
38:27
reformation to not just you know be like
38:30
oh well
38:30
you know the police are just yes for the
38:32
most part they gunned down people and we
38:34
have more than just those
38:36
videos to prove it we have people who
38:38
had no guns
38:39
hands up we’ve had it all but
38:43
we have to be a little bit more
38:44
conscious of
38:46
you know what we decide to make
38:48
politicize
38:50
i get that but i’m when i talk about how
38:52
the media covers these things
38:54
is that i watched how
38:58
how we’ve covered it how black media has
39:00
covered it
39:01
and as things updated we updated the
39:04
stories
39:06
um when things have come out we updated
39:08
the story we didn’t just
39:09
drop it you know what i mean
39:12
so as new things came out we didn’t just
39:15
drop the story
39:16
i think that’s one of the things that um
39:20
who dropped it because i saw i i guess
39:22
you know i saw a lot of them i mean
39:25
let’s just be honest sometimes it’s just
39:27
a uh
39:29
it’s all synchronicity let’s be honest i
39:31
thought that the
39:32
the detective who shot philando castro
39:36
was going to go down the video was
39:38
equally as gruesome and horrific as
39:40
george floyd in my opinion it was i mean
39:43
we saw a man
39:45
actually getting shot boom right there
39:48
yeah and and nothing something
39:51
has shifted in the perspective of
39:54
of how everybody’s looking at this now
39:58
but also to see some
40:01
you know you go well it used to be they
40:03
go oh well they were doing something and
40:05
they were doing something
40:06
and this was not an exemplary
40:09
performance on her
40:10
part on her behalf if the other girl was
40:12
coming towards her i don’t know
40:14
she kept on she she kept on she was
40:16
rolling around with the other girl
40:17
it just like and it’s so tragic and so
40:21
so sad but you know
40:24
i don’t know what else the police
40:25
officer was supposed to do
40:27
they are trained to and if he shot her
40:29
in the leg it could have hit the artery
40:31
i mean there’s just so many things and
40:33
she still could have bled out and died i
40:34
don’t
40:35
i don’t know anymore but i do know that
40:39
parents have to start being accountable
40:41
for their kids and where they’re putting
40:43
them and what they’re doing
40:44
it’s really very basic there’s that end
40:47
of the bargain
40:48
that some people are not living up to
40:53
i don’t want to judge it too harshly but
40:56
i just don’t think that everybody is you
40:59
know like
41:00
you know we had three carjackings
41:03
yesterday here in la
41:05
three and i hate to say it each one who
41:08
did it was a black man
41:10
it it’s like i’m not gonna lie
41:14
it just makes my blood just i just it
41:16
hurts my heart
41:18
it hurts my heart because i know what
41:20
they’re thinking
41:23
three going 170 miles an hour down the
41:26
freeway
41:27
wow they got on star stop one of the
41:29
cars
41:30
onstar just made it stop but you see
41:33
there’s there’s a couple of gr
41:35
agreements that
41:36
we’re looking for from the white
41:38
community but the black community
41:41
has to come together and make an
41:42
agreement with itself
41:45
and we’ve never gotten that we don’t
41:47
have that we have not
41:48
been successful at getting that people
41:51
don’t go to church like they did during
41:53
martin luther king’s days
41:54
he had their agreement he had most of
41:57
the people like
41:58
i’m with you but these days
42:02
i don’t even know who’s listening until
42:03
there’s somebody shot and then they get
42:05
mad and go and run and get their guns
42:07
and then everybody else wants to run out
42:08
we have a problem
42:09
and and and if we’re gonna you know
42:13
really educate each other but we need a
42:15
promise
42:16
not just from the white man but from our
42:19
peers
42:20
and from each other okay well you know
42:23
what that last little part we’re gonna
42:25
have a separate conversation all that
42:27
you know blacks and trust you know so
42:30
just want to get
42:31
oh i heard i heard aicha’s
42:34
sound effect there we’ll we’ll do this
42:36
hold on so let’s catch up black beauty
42:38
here in columbus ohio our media to me
42:41
were factual and as well
42:43
the act for a factual as well actual
42:46
video
42:46
in my opinion it was cut and dry she
42:48
should she would have killed or hurt the
42:50
other person and the officer had no
42:52
choice
42:53
black beauty is saying this was not
42:56
racist it’s tragic but not the officer’s
42:58
fault the officer had no choice
43:01
i real django i’ve had a very hard time
43:03
with this because there’s so many odd
43:05
things going on
43:06
true uh cinnamon ganela
43:10
miss brian had a short and chaotic life
43:12
i think the police had no choice
43:14
a knife can cause death as well t
43:16
stevens
43:17
michaela bryant was going to plant that
43:19
knife in the girl’s neck
43:20
the blade was approximately two to three
43:22
inches from her neck this is tragic uh
43:26
cinnamon canela did not know her parents
43:28
were in the same neighborhood
43:31
so it’s very interesting it seems that
43:32
people are
43:34
just people are sort of divided or mixed
43:36
it’s not a straight yay or neon
43:45
see i kept up with ohio news because i
43:47
had to write about this
43:49
about this this week um
43:52
the way that ohio news kept up with it
43:54
obviously
43:56
because it was a local story um
43:59
i just wish that more
44:02
um
44:05
more mainstream
44:09
national news kept up with it the same
44:11
way
44:12
i think because i think for those of us
44:15
who
44:16
aren’t keeping up with this story if you
44:19
weren’t paying attention to it it
44:22
looks kind of it looks like they
44:23
actually like this happened
44:25
and they dropped it you know what i mean
44:28
but i mean
44:28
i thought that maybe they needed to drop
44:31
it because there were other cases that
44:33
actually did continue the gentleman in
44:35
north carolina
44:36
right um that the there it still is
44:39
perpetuating and going on we had a few
44:41
more cases since then
44:43
that were totally you know
44:46
the body cameras were showing uh you
44:49
know
44:49
sort of these people were actually doing
44:51
nothing or there were mental health
44:53
issues
44:54
this this for me is that people in
44:56
america
44:57
have this real funny balance about guns
44:59
they’re like on one hand
45:01
don’t take my guns um and then you say
45:04
like well in the uk
45:05
you know they don’t carry guns if they
45:07
the police come out and they do have
45:09
guns they need business
45:10
and they’ve got sharpshooters and
45:12
they’ve got them on the roofs and
45:13
everything so
45:14
you tend to know that but let’s not ever
45:16
most of europe used to
45:18
can has had many many terrorist attacks
45:21
that have involved
45:22
knifings and one talking knives like
45:25
this big
45:26
and you know or a machete remember in
45:28
london
45:29
when the um soldier guy from
45:33
somewhere um decapitated another soldier
45:37
in walthamstow you know so
45:40
we we’re dealing with some craziness
45:43
that
45:44
that definitely went on the woman um
45:48
and then the other day in france a
45:50
tunisian terrorist
45:51
uh killed a police officer who was
45:53
trying to do a knife fight
45:55
you know and trying to go through that
45:57
and he got stabbed and killed because
46:00
we we’re just in a really we’re just a
46:04
mess
46:05
i mean our society is just we have these
46:08
are the consequences
46:09
of how of everything we’ve ever put
46:11
together and done
46:13
i obviously will hear more about this
46:16
story as it goes on was quite a
46:18
quite a story especially during this
46:20
week it was
46:21
a very very very interesting event for
46:24
happening during this week but let’s go
46:26
to our world of
46:28
american politics
46:31
the arizona republicans begin reviewing
46:34
2020 ballots
46:36
why why
46:41
before we came on the air i had to ask
46:43
about it because
46:44
you thought it was april fool’s day well
46:47
no
46:48
i thought when i read this i was reading
46:50
an old story that’s why i had to
46:52
ask oh so this was real because
46:56
um uh
46:59
we didn’t been there we did that already
47:03
joe biden’s been sworn in why
47:07
these people are a hot-ass men i mean
47:08
and as i said
47:11
at the be you know what a lot of people
47:13
feel is that the republicans are just
47:15
trying to
47:16
continually distract us you know
47:19
uh and then in the meantime still trying
47:21
to undermine our government
47:23
but i really do feel that it’s time for
47:26
biden’s team the doj and
47:29
all of them to get on the good foot now
47:31
it’s time to come for for trump
47:33
it’s time to come for all of the people
47:35
the senators
47:36
all of them and with some real uh
47:39
seriousness
47:40
because otherwise on one hand it looks
47:42
like
47:43
hey wait a minute you guys basically
47:46
played us through this whole time about
47:50
russia
47:50
about this about that about trump i want
47:53
to see his damn tax returns if they were
47:55
so bad
47:56
and you will lose your democrats
48:00
who stood by scrape for pennies to
48:03
get these people elected
48:06
i want i’m going to be like salome
48:11
and what she asked with john the baptist
48:14
i want that for donald trump maybe not
48:17
the head part but i want justice and i
48:20
want him to be delivered
48:22
to the courts and i want to see all the
48:25
things he’s done just
48:26
exposed there’s nothing wrong with that
48:28
give us that
48:29
because now we’ve got people in arizona
48:31
counting they’ve got blue pens and
48:33
they’re changing voting and whatever and
48:36
uh the ballots
48:37
and they even had the audacity i mean
48:39
the caucasity
48:41
to um say that they won that he won
48:44
california as well
48:45
they are not going to stop they they
48:49
it’s time now to put the oil slick out
48:52
and the brakes and let’s just skid them
48:55
right off the road
48:56
it is time and i don’t know what joe
48:58
biden and merrick garland and them are
49:00
doing
49:00
but they better get it together because
49:02
they’re losing
49:04
the faith of the people who have been so
49:06
supportive
49:07
i think joe’s doing a great job but on
49:09
this we want
49:10
donald trump prosecuted and we want all
49:13
of his cronies
49:15
we want all of them to the fullest
49:17
extent of the law
49:19
and and uncovered the pandora’s box
49:23
that of his wicked web
49:26
this is what’s so ridiculous about this
49:30
there are actual idiots
49:34
republican idiots who believe
49:37
that them going back and reviewing these
49:41
ballots and changing these ballots
49:44
illegally mind you
49:46
means that they’ll remove
49:49
joe biden from the presidency and
49:52
reinstall
49:53
trump um
49:56
right it’s foolishness
49:59
highest level and just absolutely
50:03
stupid i mean
50:06
i read the constitution these people who
50:09
call themselves
50:10
constitutionalists don’t even read the
50:12
constitution
50:13
what makes you think this is going to
50:15
happen these people have been selling
50:17
you
50:18
lies lie after lie after lie and they
50:21
just
50:21
they believe this is gonna happen it’s
50:24
like
50:25
they they believed the stuff that so
50:27
they did this insurrection so now
50:28
they’re going this way with the
50:30
with the 2020 ballots it’s like give up
50:33
the ghost already on this
50:35
he he’s not coming back
50:39
and the truth of the matter is that even
50:42
if
50:43
he could come back he wouldn’t know what
50:45
to do with anything
50:47
that would be placed at his feet right
50:50
now
50:51
you know who who are
50:54
the girl from arizona serena what is her
50:57
name
50:58
kirsten kristen cinema does she have to
51:01
run again in 2022
51:04
no she got six years oh because i was
51:07
going to say
51:09
i think we but i just think it’s time
51:11
for the
51:12
the things to that to go down and get
51:14
rid of some of these people in our party
51:16
because we cannot afford this
51:18
and we need to we gotta go yeah well we
51:21
need to really start playing some
51:22
serious
51:24
hardball serious i just can’t handle
51:27
this anymore
51:28
and now they’re all waltzing around at
51:30
funerals and everything and it’s great
51:32
that they went to the funerals it’s fine
51:33
but there’s a time to get back to work
51:36
and you can do it all
51:37
that’s why we pay you the big bucks we
51:40
need you to be covering this
51:42
so chris is saying are you so true big
51:45
old hot
51:46
a mess i keep hearing that indictments
51:49
are coming soon for 45
51:51
and his ilk when exactly and then
51:54
you issue indictments in 2023 when he
51:57
decides he’s gonna run again
51:59
right come on now i agree jill but
52:03
unless
52:04
or until the department of justice comes
52:06
in with a big stick
52:07
and put this 45 this plot to a
52:11
screeching hall our democracy is at
52:12
stake
52:13
of being no more now they could be
52:15
waiting for one thing and that’s for
52:19
the senate to confirm all the justice
52:23
people
52:24
that um has out still
52:28
um before they before they jump into
52:30
that
52:31
um that of oil well we need to
52:34
we need to you might be right but we
52:37
need to expedite these things
52:39
with some quickness because it’s just uh
52:43
the the fact that there’s these people
52:45
wasting and and here’s the thing they’re
52:47
donating money
52:48
to these this foundation tcem or
52:51
tcp and they
52:54
have all started to come back even the
52:56
sponsors that once said oh we don’t want
52:58
anything to do with these people
53:00
they’re back they’re back on board
53:03
supporting
53:04
these people until the next thing that
53:06
they squeal and pull their panties up
53:09
you know it’s like um yeah for a minute
53:12
and then they’re being loosed
53:14
like a goose soon and drop their drawers
53:16
for these republicans in a second
53:19
you know i can’t take it
53:22
chill that was fussy that was classic
53:26
jokes
53:35
you can’t take me anywhere oh come on
53:38
now stop
53:38
your noise well let’s move on speaking
53:41
about taking
53:42
people anywhere caitlyn jenner
53:44
officially running for governor
53:46
of california thoughts ladies
53:49
okay now first what they’re trying to do
53:51
in california with this recall
53:54
is wrong um
53:57
california california the republican
53:59
californians
54:00
are going to be really really in a bad
54:03
way
54:04
if newsom is out okay
54:07
that’s the first thing second thing what
54:11
job has caitlyn jenner had
54:14
that kris jenner didn’t help him get
54:16
that
54:17
well right before her sorry yeah
54:20
sorry i’m not trying to disengender
54:23
before
54:24
oh jill before sports
54:28
what job she had that
54:32
qualifies her to be governor she
54:34
couldn’t even do
54:35
her speeches like her things chris
54:39
built her chris made her
54:42
and then she left her then uh
54:45
caitlyn decided she was caitlyn and left
54:48
i’m sorry i’d vote for kris jenner
54:50
before i vote for caitlyn because that’s
54:52
the boss
54:53
that’s the one that knows how it works
54:56
and i don’t really like either one of
54:58
them right he still hasn’t learned how
54:59
to dress
55:00
at all thank you
55:04
okay anything else you ladies want to
55:06
include on there
55:08
i think it’s really important that what
55:10
aisha said about what
55:12
they’re doing out here with newsome even
55:14
if you’re not in this state
55:16
it’s really important to give to his
55:18
fund i’ve been giving as much as i
55:20
can um we’re at 40 percent
55:23
of of californians uh
55:28
you know we don’t 40 percent only want
55:31
the recall basically
55:32
even out of the ones that the names
55:34
they’ve collected
55:36
so we still have you know i don’t think
55:38
she’ll
55:39
she’ll get in but i do think that
55:42
they’re trying to do a lot of damage
55:43
there was a really bad rumor that came
55:45
out yesterday that they’re
55:46
that the alt-right is trying to press
55:48
forward that
55:50
um during the george floyd um
55:53
protest that uh f-16s were going to be
55:57
flown
55:58
uh down by the crowds who were
56:01
protesting
56:02
and that the military had said no way
56:05
we’re not doing this
56:06
because you know that’s an attack on our
56:09
own people and that is illegal to do
56:12
you know an f-16 with the flames that
56:14
come out
56:15
and just the sound of it would just
56:17
terrify people
56:19
well they’ve asked the general who was
56:21
in charge at that time
56:24
and so it’s just written as click bait
56:26
and it’s coming from the la times which
56:28
is crazy
56:29
because if you didn’t read the whole
56:30
article you would be like how could
56:32
gavin newsom do that
56:33
well the order for the national guard
56:35
wasn’t coming from
56:36
gavin newsom some people are denying it
56:40
but it’s looking like
56:41
you know who was was saying he because
56:44
he was running that
56:45
he literally wanted that it’s
56:47
interesting you mentioned so chris is
56:49
saying i would not trust caitlyn jenner
56:51
as far as i could throw her
56:52
she has too many ties with 45 she is
56:56
far too duplicious she is she’s
56:59
duplicitous for sure
57:00
yeah yes i i agree with chris on that
57:03
one
57:04
and um the fact that she hired brad
57:07
parscale the one who
57:08
uh threatened to kill his wife in
57:10
florida last year
57:11
i mean honestly it’s just trash at the
57:14
very beginning
57:15
remember they showed him getting in the
57:16
car and he was in his underwear and he
57:18
had a standoff with the police down in
57:21
florida
57:22
yeah i don’t think she wants to win this
57:24
is why i think she hired brad pascal
57:26
because here’s the thing if she really
57:28
was trying to run an election she could
57:31
win
57:31
she would have run against gavin newsom
57:34
when there was a real election
57:36
not a recall this is a punk move
57:39
it’s a ploy to get more people to right
57:42
right
57:43
this is just let’s get rid of him right
57:46
this is to get her
57:47
name out there and you know attach a
57:50
celebrity to it
57:52
because they because remember these
57:54
these
57:55
trump people only vote for celebrities
57:58
it’s true and then they accuse us of
58:00
like being hollywood out and they’re the
58:02
ones who fall for
58:03
they had schwarzenegger they had ronald
58:05
reagan
58:06
you know i hope the trans community
58:08
comes out in full
58:10
force to vote against
58:13
caitlyn jenner because she’s done
58:15
nothing for the community
58:16
i remember when she had her little
58:18
reality show
58:20
i am caitlyn and the trans people told
58:22
her you know
58:23
nothing about this community because
58:26
they
58:26
someone one of them told her all you
58:28
want to do is dress up as a woman that’s
58:30
all you want to do
58:31
you don’t know anything about this
58:33
community you don’t know that a lot of
58:34
us are sex workers
58:36
you don’t know a lot of us struggle with
58:37
housing that we we’ve suffered abuse
58:40
this and that and you know she sat
58:43
on top of her white republican privilege
58:45
and when she told them she was
58:46
republican
58:47
a lot of them flipped out so i hope that
58:51
i hope that all the um communities come
58:54
out
58:55
and just show her what’s what i agree
58:58
but she won’t get my vote and i still
59:00
say that if we had to pick between the
59:02
two and i’m not a
59:03
huge kardashian fan on but you know
59:06
there are some things that
59:07
they have done for well the daughter has
59:10
done for
59:10
criminal justice reform with many people
59:13
i think it’s amazing
59:14
however if there’s anybody who the other
59:18
ones with their billion dollars and
59:20
whatever
59:21
i’m not interested i i’d say that the
59:24
wife
59:25
was the one who made the empire and i
59:28
just can’t see why we’re going to slag
59:32
the woman off who not give credit to
59:34
where it’s due caitlyn would not be
59:36
where she
59:37
is if kris jenner hadn’t built her
59:40
yeah and one more thing to say about
59:42
that is
59:43
keep your eyes on the prize because this
59:46
is
59:46
all about getting rid of democratic
59:49
governors that’s it
59:50
it is everywhere in every state yep
59:54
okay next up we’ve lost a lot of music
59:58
icons
60:00
was this year everyone thought last year
60:02
last three weeks
60:03
yes so here’s another one shock g
60:06
now for people who don’t know who shock
60:08
g is ladies can you give them some
60:10
education
60:12
oh
60:27
introduced us to patch decor hey dad
60:30
who was a member of digital underground
60:33
yeah he was
60:34
yes he was he was a dancer for digital
60:36
underground
60:38
remember the song i get around yes and
60:40
also fg was on that song
60:43
i think shock g is hanging on one of
60:45
princess songs love
60:46
sign shock g did a remix of
60:50
prince prince um love loves time with no
60:52
negan no no
60:55
yeah he was super super talented um
60:59
played instruments you know i always
61:02
love to
61:03
say this now because it’s such an
61:04
anomaly to say that somebody actually
61:06
played as an
61:07
instrument um he could play piano he
61:11
could
61:11
uh you know he was very talented
61:15
and uh so they did find him in his hotel
61:17
room after his passing and i guess
61:19
they’re just waiting to see
61:21
i think the world is just it’s very
61:23
difficult for
61:25
some people to stay here
61:28
any longer than they have to you know
61:31
especially highly creative people
61:32
because
61:33
when you think of music these days it’s
61:35
so limited
61:37
you know when you use computers and you
61:39
use when you have the ability to have
61:41
your instruments
61:43
and your collaborative collaborations
61:46
you can have amazing changes musical
61:49
changes
61:51
when you’re relying on an artificial
61:53
intelligence to determine what your hook
61:54
is
61:55
it gets a little banal and it’s empty
61:58
and it’s just
61:58
music the world walks around in pop 40
62:01
music
62:03
and i really that’s another thing if we
62:06
wrap in
62:06
everything we’ve said today the sum
62:08
equation
62:10
i keep saying music is a mantra if your
62:13
kids are listening to certain things
62:15
it you need to be careful what your
62:18
words are
62:19
what you vibrate and resonate to back in
62:22
these days with digital underground
62:24
rap was so much fun yes going out was so
62:27
much fun right yes
62:28
yes oh my god you’d go out and have a
62:31
blast
62:32
it was just a
62:39
it was just so much fun and
62:43
there were the the ironies or the
62:46
sarcasm or the wit
62:48
that was used to get over a
62:51
very important statement was such a
62:53
clever way of songwriting
62:55
far more clever than i went today or
62:57
whatever the hell these tracks the whole
62:59
sex pack
63:00
let me go get my bag let me get my bag
63:02
it’s like go get your bag
63:04
and you know who cares it’s like so dumb
63:07
down i i think you know i was really sad
63:10
to hear
63:10
about these wonderful musical icons
63:13
because
63:14
unfortunately i don’t they just won’t
63:17
come along
63:18
anymore and blackrock black bob also
63:21
passed away a few days before
63:24
which was another one that it was very
63:27
sad because
63:28
black rob um exists in that
63:31
cemetery that puffy has behind his house
63:34
um
63:35
and the the reason i say that is because
63:39
that man just does not pay his artists
63:41
and
63:42
it’s very sad that black rob contributed
63:44
so much to bad boy
63:46
after notorious b.i.g died
63:49
and he was he was for a while
63:52
you know feeding the bad boy label as
63:55
you know
63:56
their chief rapper for a couple of years
63:59
to be homeless and you know
64:02
you’re right we have that situation they
64:05
don’t look
64:05
out for the artists uh we have
64:09
many artists who need help as they’re
64:12
getting older
64:13
some don’t have family some don’t have
64:15
savings
64:16
uh it’s going to it’s becoming dire
64:19
and what do you expect i mean
64:23
so when i hear puffy and all i i just
64:25
i’m like yeah okay you want to jump on
64:27
the political train when you basically
64:29
were a part of the system the system
64:32
that actually
64:34
let’s just be straight up but i’m glad
64:36
to see that many of the fans know this
64:39
and many people who are adults now know
64:41
that many of some of your favorite
64:43
performers
64:44
you know don’t have any money and
64:47
don’t have a whole lot of money as a
64:49
producer and could never afford an
64:51
attorney to go up against puffy because
64:53
he was
64:54
these kind of artists no attorney will
64:57
touch you when you’re going for
64:59
up against a major mega star why
65:02
because they’re hoping for that chance
65:04
one day to work with that mega attorney
65:07
um that mega superstar so they’re not
65:10
going to come in with your little case
65:12
to which they see as little so
65:15
artists so much back in the day and
65:18
still to some degree
65:19
because all of these music attorneys all
65:22
went to the same school they’re all
65:24
friends
65:25
so all these rich fat cats who made you
65:28
know
65:28
made money off their friends who are
65:30
living somewhere
65:31
and have illnesses and on kidney
65:34
dialysis
65:35
you know what they can go to hell
65:37
they’re friends you know because
65:39
that that’s not cool but they still keep
65:41
trying to
65:42
manipulate the system when they were
65:45
they were the system they were
65:48
also putting knees on people’s necks
65:52
yeah it’s just really sad to me the
65:54
number of hip-hop
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artists creatively that’s not telling
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people’s songs
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yeah it’s sad the number of hip-hop
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artists that have died in the last 10
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years
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about this as we were talk as we were
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talking about this
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topic being one of our topics for
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tonight because i was thinking like even
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10 years ago
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heavy d passed away and then you have
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you know
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all these other artists you know in
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between
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in their 40s and early 50s hip-hop
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artists passing away and it’s like
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is anyone ever going to live to be a
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senior citizen
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those guys will because they’ve been
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able to go to doctor’s appointments
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right and and they have the money to but
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there are
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many many of them you know who i’m
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talking about
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really oh no i know what you’re saying
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yeah
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absolutely it’s so sad so
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i’m really just very very sad about this
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you know that that we are not looking
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out for but
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yet again we’re going to jump on the
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black lives matter
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but i guess black music lives i guess
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black music lives didn’t matter
67:03
well you know we still gotta get that in
67:06
that
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the black lives matter and the money
67:08
thing into an episode so
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hopefully the next yeah we
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we have our own little hierarchy of
67:17
slave running in and within our own
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community
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yeah and if you think about like and
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that’s just called human nature
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sorry and i mean when you’re talking
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about
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um a celebrity like like diddy diddy
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wasn’t going to make money on his own
67:32
all his productions were sampled songs
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so where is he getting that extra cash
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from
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it it makes you wonder you know and why
67:41
aren’t
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why you know you you think of all the
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groups that he had
67:46
you know he had faith he had biggie he
67:48
had total
67:50
he had all these groups to begin with
67:52
when he started married
67:54
well mary jay wasn’t very smart she
67:57
wasn’t
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i’m bad boy she was on right town i was
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down with andre
68:03
and then she moved she got covered he
68:05
was smart
68:06
okay she was smart um but
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all those groups that he initially had
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no more he
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he goes through groups and artists like
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toilet paper
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because it was always a great tax writer
68:19
i don’t know
68:21
labels are for vanity labels were set up
68:24
that way
68:25
they’re set up as a as a way to either
68:28
launder money
68:29
or a way to offset your taxes for
68:32
everybody my mom always said that you
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know even when the beatles had apple
68:37
they didn’t do anything but it was just
68:39
set up
68:40
to be that they’ve always been like that
68:43
because you
68:44
it’s just very difficult to
68:48
have an artist completely and not just
68:50
the artist the artist may have
68:52
good intentions wanting to you know
68:55
help all these other people coming along
68:57
if they can
68:58
but at the end of the day there are
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other people who are typically running
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it
69:02
and their main objective is to cover the
69:05
main
69:06
guy and that’s how it goes and you
69:09
end up with those main guys have to
69:11
throw their friends under the bus
69:13
religiously to save their tax dollars or
69:16
to save everybody that boy
69:19
it’s had one artist consistently in
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those almost 30 years
69:23
and his name is diddy nuff said
69:27
let’s go to our final conversation piece
69:30
we always end off our conversations with
69:32
the cockroach
69:35
so this cockroach is josh
69:39
hawley for being the only senator to a
69:41
vote against the hate crime bill
69:43
who wants to chat about this
69:51
how are you going to be the only one and
69:52
then claim you’re not a white
69:53
supremacist
69:54
i’m sorry it’s like oh but i didn’t
69:58
start the insurrection i didn’t
69:59
i wasn’t any part of the insurrection
70:01
yeah it was um
70:06
this is a no-brainer okay this this is
70:09
something that could have made him look
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good
70:11
even though he’s just not a good person
70:15
he he decided to look like the
70:18
jackass in the room yeah
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it’s like the one time you can choose
70:25
not to be a jackass
70:26
he’s like no i’m gonna go ahead and be
70:29
the donkey of the
70:30
day and just you know
70:33
yeah let me show my behind to the world
70:36
why
70:37
why am i sort of getting ready to duck
70:40
for what jill has to say because she has
70:41
her hands
70:42
on her chin and i’m going oh man it’s
70:45
like she’s loading the arsenal to go no
70:48
i’m
70:49
not going to i was just going to say he
70:51
acts like he’s you know
70:52
in the final stages of syphilis you know
70:56
like
70:59
once i write aisha was i right i swear i
71:01
was thinking that i wasn’t
71:06
i was like he’s he these people are
71:08
crazy
71:09
i don’t know what they’re doing i i
71:11
don’t know what principalities have come
71:14
in and taken over
71:15
uh but they are they
71:19
are it’s like
71:23
the point of that that i was like with
71:25
aisha i’m like
71:26
what is the point to be the only one who
71:29
didn’t vote
71:30
okay what is that that is just
71:34
okay you want to collect the other
71:35
little crumb crumb people who are
71:37
hanging around and they’re racist and
71:39
they’re whatever
71:40
but i just have started to think that
71:43
all of them maybe they’re all doing each
71:45
other and they all passed around this
71:47
i don’t know it’s crazy because i don’t
71:49
get it they sniff around each other like
71:51
little animals
71:52
so chris is going home always looks like
71:55
he’s sniffing
71:56
i know lindsey graham always oh that’s
71:59
i gotta give credit though that’s
72:01
charlemagne the gods um
72:02
phrase so he doesn’t care after us all
72:04
right okay
72:06
i’ll say that but i just it’s like
72:09
he just because i had to say that
72:11
because of another word i was going to
72:12
say
72:13
okay all right place of another word
72:15
okay
72:16
he just oh chris is going jill omg
72:21
and he’s got loft tears cheering laugh
72:24
emojis
72:24
because i can’t even explain it anymore
72:26
i’ve just actually been like
72:29
there’s like a worm up there that’s just
72:31
gone you know i don’t know
72:34
when they crack his head open one it’s
72:36
going to be like from
72:37
alien or something really crazy it’s
72:39
like he was smoking crack that day
72:41
and decided you know oh he’s got his
72:44
demons i can’t wait till somebody
72:46
unrolls
72:46
rolls up and rolls those down because
72:49
anybody like that
72:51
has something they are hiding hiding
72:53
hiding hiding and it’s right in front of
72:55
our face i just can’t put my
72:57
finger on on that that’s that’s
73:00
people reveal their insecurities like
73:04
by by what they have that the little
73:06
suits the little the little little
73:08
little lord font leroy look that he’s
73:09
got going on
73:11
i mean it’s very very peculiar
73:14
i don’t know why he could still be over
73:17
his state when he doesn’t live in it
73:19
and he doesn’t have there he used a
73:21
sister’s address can
73:23
somebody in the freaking courts do
73:25
something
73:26
do we have a government that actually
73:28
goes and
73:29
you know see it’s not enough that i just
73:32
see derek chauvin go
73:34
i need to see i need to see everybody
73:37
walk the line
73:38
in handcuffs and chains that
73:42
came from that white house he they you
73:45
know if
73:46
derek chovin is supposed to be the white
73:48
people’s sacrificial lamb for all the
73:50
it ain’t enough that’s for sure i want
73:53
that
73:53
i want the ones who are in political
73:57
offices who are in the police offices
73:59
orchestrating this
74:00
who have those clandestine meetings with
74:03
the police unions
74:05
those are the people and a lot of them
74:08
you can go back to the tea party that
74:10
old koch brother you’d have thought
74:12
after he lost his brother he to become a
74:14
better individual
74:15
no they don’t got one of those still on
74:18
fire
74:20
they’re hateful you know derek just
74:23
because you mentioned his name again you
74:25
know what derek chovin reminded me of
74:27
when they told him that he was guilty
74:29
sarah jane from imitation of life
74:31
but i’m white i’m white that’s that’s
74:35
so true you know like i said it’s not
74:38
enough for me
74:39
there’s not enough meat on this bone
74:42
it’s a little bitty tiny lamb chop
74:44
that they charge a lot of money for i
74:47
think
74:48
we need the whole calf
74:51
you know we need all of them okay yeah
74:54
josh harley’s gonna go down i just don’t
74:56
know for
74:57
what yet but they haven’t dug too deeply
75:00
in his background yet
75:01
but somebody’s going to somebody’s going
75:04
to they’re going to
75:05
they’re going to come up with some matt
75:06
oh yeah it got up on him
75:08
you know it’s going to happen that’s how
75:10
god is yeah
75:11
somebody all right ladies another epic
75:14
conversation
75:16
a t stephen saying another great show
75:18
thank you
75:19
to all thank you to chris t
75:22
stevens uh black beauty cinema canala
75:28
and everyone else who watches live or on
75:30
the replay or listen to it on the replay
75:32
we appreciate it we don’t take it for
75:34
granted uh
75:35
chris is saying here dr vibe aisha jill
75:38
you rock bless you all
75:40
thank you that’s beautiful but
75:43
we’re come to another conversation end
75:46
and
75:46
as we always do we ask the ladies what
75:49
is the best way for them to be contacted
75:51
so
75:52
jill jones go first um
75:55
for just some fun things you can reach
75:57
me at
75:59
jilljonesmusic
76:02
on instagram and jill d jones on twitter
76:06
the fun stuff going on is on instagram
76:08
if you wanna
76:10
check out my baking there you go
76:13
aiesha i’m not fun
76:17
so i’ll stop your noise
76:20
stop your noise
76:23
you gotta laugh like that and you’re not
76:25
fun i don’t update my instagram page
76:28
that often
76:31
twitter’s you yeah you can find me on
76:34
twitter
76:35
at aisha staggers that’s where i do all
76:39
my stuff
76:40
that’s what you need that’s how you do
76:41
your baking right yeah that’s where
76:43
nobody bothers me
76:45
okay fantastic well folks another great
76:50
conversation aisha and jill and again we
76:52
like to thank everyone
76:54
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76:56
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77:24
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77:26
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77:29
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77:30
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77:32
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77:42
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77:44
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78:02
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78:03
doing it in food wine and travel again
78:06
thanks to everybody we got a few last
78:08
comments here
78:09
okay just put them up here uh cinema
78:12
says oh god
78:14
went so fast thank you ladies and doctor
78:16
vibe
78:17
and cinemas canelo is saying yes jill
78:20
yes keep baking so jill
78:23
maybe there’s a bakery in the end here
78:25
jill jones bakery i don’t know maybe she
78:27
can start shipping some stuff across the
78:29
country
78:30
but thank you everybody it’s appreciated
78:33
not for taking for granted as always i
78:35
like to say
78:36
live your life as a dream if you can
78:37
dream it you can make it sometimes you
78:39
have to get small to get stronger
78:41
block assumptions and aim bigger and
78:43
better aim higher and wider
78:45
love faith and respect and remember to
78:47
give yourselves grace
78:49
god bless peace well keep the faith and
78:51
we will see you next week god willing
78:53
and do keep safe alright folks take care
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you

Aisha K. Staggers had her first major publication, an album review, in The New Haven Register while just a sophomore in high school. Another series of reviews published in The Hartford Courant followed. By the time she reached college, Aisha was writing for the literary magazine and interning at a local radio station, ABC-affiliate as a writer in the news department and in the A&R department of an independent record company.

As a graduate student at Fisk University, Aisha asked Dr. Raymond Winbush to chair her thesis because 1) he was one of the most renowned voices in black culture and academia, and 2) he was a Prince fan. His scholarship and guidance led Aisha to an early career as a professor of social sciences and later an administrator in higher education.

Aisha has also served as a director of education and policy research centers and on the staff of legislative commissions. She previously served on the Executive Board of the CT Young Democrats’ Women’s Caucus, an avid campaigner and has remained active in politics and public policy.

You can find more about Ms. Staggers via Twitter.

Jill Jones is an activist, feminist, former collaborator with Paisley Park.

Jones is activist, feminist, former collaborator with Paisley Park.

You can find out more about Ms. Jones via Twitter.

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