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@pocketjacks: if I can find the information again, sure. When the new Government took power they consolodated a whole bunch of government-run websites and the Equality Act consultation responses got archived somewhere obscure. The submissions in question are the ones from the Women’s Resource Center, EAVES, Women’s Aid, one from Object and the London Feminist Network I can’t find because it’s a joint submission under some weird generic name, and quite possibly more. You can find an explanation of precisely what behaviour by local councils they’re objecting to in this Observer article (note that the article title’s misleading). Note that… Read more »
UnDeleterious, quick note: Using a trans person’s cissexually-constructed name, one that obviously doesn’t reflect who they are, or for that matter who they were? Pretty degendering. Secondly, I snuck back here to see if it was the same fem-shaming tropefest it always was, so I punched “Nice Guy” into the search engine… yep. No, sorry, still victim blaming. Sorry I checked back here. Every time CAMAB-femmephobia comes up on this board under the pretense of fighting misogyny it’s always the same four easy steps: 1. Accuse CAMAB folk of pedestalization as misogyny. 2. Be willfully ignorant of pedestalization as only… Read more »
whole bunch of really big-name UK feminist lobbying organisations sent in submissions complaining that that some local governments were refusing to fund rape and domestic violence services unless they at least offered advice to male victims who phoned up asking for help, though obviously they still didn’t have to provide spaces in shelters or in-person counselling in women-only buildings.
What.
Would you mind if I asked for a citation? That’s unbelievable.
@L: I didn’t mean to imply that at all, only to highlight the similarity in the attitude of both examples. Certainly, the two aren’t on a level playing field as far as the potential harm done, but questioning either one shows a similar attitude toward people’s reliability based solely on their gender. We can’t trust X because look at his/her gender’s long history of lying/infiltrating/being hysterical. It’s a silly attitude to take, and I do think it’s similar to the attitude that causes people to decry all rape accusations as false. And it’s not simply about discovering someone’s opinions and… Read more »
@makomk: In basically every state “rape by envelopment” isn’t a category because they make the statues gender neutral and “rape by envelopment” is the same as “rape by penetration. (even if the application is less fair). There is no more a separate category than there is for “rape on Tuesday”. That said sometimes statues simply don’t have rape listed at all. Instead it is called sexual assault or something and is simply not defined. Basically whenever the groups need to actually put up with constitutional rights they make statues well. The FBI and the CDC’s definitions simply do not match… Read more »
They start young:
http://notalwaysright.com/just-gender-role-with-it/19707
I have a funny true story from my misspent childhood about gender roles and anxiety, actually. As a kid I was a voracious reader and also a bundle of fear and self-doubt, so when I spotted a book in the kids’ section of my local library about dealing with this obviously I picked it up and borrowed it. On reading it, it obviously assumed I was female because it did stuff like comparing the reader with “other girls” – yet if there was any indication in the title or blurb or cover I couldn’t find it. It was as though… Read more »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/16/second-sexism-men-blaming-feminism Everybody laugh at the horribly sexist writer. She apparently thinks that men don’t have a point when it comes to “Every so often a new tome details how men, not women, are discriminated against (apart from rape, murder, equal pay, genital mutilation, the power imbalance in politics, business, education, law and arts they may have a point). ” I would rip apart the rest of the piece, but she apparently doesn’t think that men are discriminated against with genital mutilation. She either is so insulated that she doesn’t realize that men are frequently have parts of their genitals cut… Read more »
Eagle34: thanks, that clears it up… I’m not from the US so I hadn’t heard of the guy. But I know how it feels, it can cause really conflicted feelings when there’s someone or something that, on one hand they do lots of good things but then they turn around and do or say some really disagreeable things and then you just can’t decide if you like or hate the person/thing/entity… As a kind of crappy and unrelated example, it’s how I feel about google. They just do so many good things, and so many questionable things, that it kind… Read more »
@dancin: OK, sorry for the double post, but I just had to comment on this: “The best way to determine whether or not a man is actually dedicated to social justice and equality is to press him on it.” That is a tiny inversion away from “The best way to determine if a woman was actually raped is to press her on it.” Uh, no. That is COMPLETELY different from the original, I’m sorry. I can’t really believe that you’re saying someone’s opinion and the experience of sexual assault are kinda sorta more or less the same thing. That’s like… Read more »
Edit: Sorry, it should be “Video GAMES cannot be art” not “Video GAMING”. Yeesh.
D.D: “I don’t really know who this Roger Ebert is, and after reading that piece of fail I don’t really want to know either. I guess he’s a film critic or something?” He’s a Pulitzer Prize winning American Critic of The Chicago Sun Times Newspaper. In his early days, he had brief a fling with the Hollywood system having penned the script for the movie “Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls” He’s most famous for the TV Show “Siskel & Ebert”, a program where he and his partner critic of The Chicago Tribune Newspaper “Gene Siskel” would sit in a… Read more »
That article was just plain horrible… I can’t abide, at all.
I don’t really know who this Roger Ebert is, and after reading that piece of fail I don’t really want to know either. I guess he’s a film critic or something? But looking at the article, it has all these same old tired tropes of gender-essentialism – men are like this, women are like that because cavemen/evolution/hardwired/biology/evopsych… when he started talking about how men really go to strip clubs because looking at boobs reminds them of their mothers, it was just too much.
Monkey: “I’ve been a fan of Rogers’s reviews since I was very young, and this did upset me. ”
I’m not actually surprised he’d pen this tripe.
I remember an episode where both Siskel and him were reviewing the original Halloween by John Carpenter.
One of their praises for the film is that, unlike other slashers of the time, it doesn’t hate women.
So I think about Roger Ebert’s praising with Gene Siskel then link it up with this article and it’s hard to deny this has been formenting for awhile.
Oh shoot! My links failed! I mustn’t have used the tags properly. Don’t suppose there is a syntax FAQ for wordpress’ html tags in comments is there? For those who still need a pony fix:
http://bronies.memebase.com/2012/05/13/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-choose-your-side/
http://bronies.memebase.com/2012/05/13/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-there-were-only-rocks/
http://bronies.memebase.com/2012/05/11/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-take-everything-ive-got/
http://bronies.memebase.com/2012/05/10/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-not-a-contradiction/
BONUS:
http://bronies.memebase.com/2012/05/10/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-my-special-talent/
-Respond to this post and tell everyone what you’re cutie mark is.
Ive been a fan of Rogers’s reviews since I was very young, and this did upset me. Of course, as many pointed out he made a spectacular error when he attributed JP Morgan’s failure to make competitiveness (the person responsible was a woman.)
PS: Additionally, Mister Ebert, as someone who was hurt viciously by girls and women in his youth , you contribute to a culture that erases my experiences and basically renders me invisible due to the same arguments of semantics and generalizes you pulled out of your rear end for this hack piece of a Mother’s Day article. The fact that there are people who agree with you in the commentary section…well…you can keep them. You deserve one another.
Christ on a handstick! You know, I enjoyed Roger Ebert’s eloquent diatribes on movies he loved and hated even if the ones he hated occassionally clashed with my tastes. Heck, I even defended Roger Ebert when many Jackass (The show) fans called for him to die due to the mistaken assumption that Roger labeled one of the stars who died in a car crash while drunk a Jackass (He didn’t mean a LITERAL jackass, he was referring to his show’s alter ego) Now this…I can’t defend him at all. Not one bit. Even those with intellectual prowess and finely tuned… Read more »
@Monkey:
Are you saying they are not?
(Sorry for the lame attempt to be ironic…)
@Danny:
Did you notice the warning at the start of that video?
This… It just depresses me so much
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2012/05/women_are_better_than_men.html
Holy god, glory, and mercy I clicked that link and went to the FAQ.
I’m going to attempt something that should in theory be impossible. I’m going to try to derail the flow of an Open Thread.
Here’s a blooper reel from a belly dancing instruction series called “Shimmy”. It’s all about the announcer. (http://youtu.be/sHjSvxixKaw)
“Newsflash: Very few things are more annoying than a feminist who tells other feminists that their voice/issues/opinions are invalid and should get out of the movement.”
This coming from a feminist who just called men “Faux Feminists”. Or maybe it’s different for her since she thinks only WOMEN can be feminists and men are fair game.
Forget it, I don’t want to spend any more time in this world-o-bizzarro she inhabits.
The Other Mike: “I doubt she’d ever be honest enough to admit it”
She won’t admit it, period. People who are so lost in their raw hate don’t reveal it. Even if she did admit it, she’d reason since men as a collective actively keep women down and hate them, all men deserve it.
I doubt she’d ever be honest enough to admit it, but I can imagine various people of various stripes of “activist” being privately OK with the idea.