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Re: Bronies, I’ve never watched that show, but I am a fan of a lot of cartoons and movies whose target audience is children. I love all of Hayao Miyazaki’s and Yoshifumi Kondo’s films. (For those who’ve heard of Miyazaki but not Kondo, check out Only Yesterday and Whispers of the Heart. They’re magical, no other word to describe it.) I have a cult fascination with feature length cartoons from between the decline of the studio system and theater shorts and the rise of the 90’s Disney musicals – The Great Mouse Detective, Land Before Time, etc., and the Secret… Read more »
@BalckHumor: Now I see that the conclusion you are talking about me making is the one that “they’re trying to dismiss anything” (the facts by the classifications they chose I assume is what you meant by anything). I did not realize that at once since I did not mean for the first sentence in my original comment to be read as a conclusion – hence the choice of words like “Perhaps”, “cynical” and “thinking”. Had I meant it as a conclusion rather than cynical unfounded (I provided no arguments for it) speculation I would have chosen other words and even… Read more »
@BlackHumor: Yes, I pointed to those numbers because a) As you pointed out the CDC did not include “made to penetrate someone else as rape. You even said that they did so for some weird reason so I assumed that you would agree with me that “made to penetrate someone else” in fact should be classified as rape. Do you agree with that? b) Yes. lifetime rates are different as you point out. I will not go into reasons why I think the difference may be less than the report says, but I am not disputing that there probably are… Read more »
@BlackHumor Thanks for the link. I’m looking at tables 2.1 & 2.2, and what jumped out is the fact that ‘rape by penetration’ was too low to measure on a annual basis, but forced penetration wasn’t. That’s an odd inversion since the conventional wisdom is that most rape of men/boys is male on male. It’s also odd considering how much we emphasize prison rape but it doesn’t show up on the their surveys at all. Any idea why the definition of their rape is the way it is? I wonder if this reflects some form of aversion to sticking their… Read more »
Besides that, the statistics certainly do include SOME people raped in prison. Just because the study wasn’t conducted in a prison doesn’t mean they excluded ex-convicts. An infinitesimal number, BlackHumor. In order to be present in the statistics Tamen cited, they would have had to have been a) raped in prison in the last 12 months, then b) released in time to have been contacted for the survey. This would constitute only a very small percentage of the total number of people raped in prison in the past year. And yes, it was the specific figures that Tamen quoted —… Read more »
@Schala: I think part of the point of this blog is that patriarchy doesn’t really “look after” anyone. A systematic bias towards men doesn’t necessarily make it any more fun to be any particular man, and particularly not if you happen to be a kind of man that patriarchy doesn’t like. On the other hand if you happen to be Ward Cleaver or Chuck Norris patriarchy looks after you pretty damn well. (But then you’re stuck being those people, which is itself enough of a problem that most men don’t even try.) @ballgame: …Tamen? I don’t want to be rude… Read more »
Those are eye-opening figures, Tamen, and they don’t even include people raped in prison.
@BlackHumor
I’m certain there are multiple rape crisis centers for men-only per town, right? Because a patriarchy would look out after its men, right? Male privilege should benefit sometimes, right?
Maybe if you’re ALREADY rich and powerful.
@Tamen: You seem to have seized on the statistic that most supports your conclusion and ignored the rest of them. The lifetime rates of rape would be 18.3% women vs. 6.2% for men. If you include sexual coercion it jumps to 31.3% for women versus 12.2% for men. So although the rates of rape among men are greater than has normally been assumed in the past, they’re still not the same as the rates of rape among women. And besides that, if you look down to the intimate violence section the difference between violence against men and women is technically… Read more »
http://mixedknuts.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/unlocking-the-cheats-of-scg-player-of-the-year-alex-bertoncini/
GREAT article, and sums up the whole “rapists are people who rape” mentality.
Perhaps I am being cynical for thinking that the reason is not weird at all, because the result if it were would be counter to what many people believes. And a significant proportion of those people have a problem with anything challenging their belief. If one count “forced to penetrate someone else” as rape then we’d have this result: % of Women raped the last 12 months:1.1% / estimated # of victims: 1,270,000 % of Men raped last 12 months: 1.1% / estimated # of victims: 1,267,000 See the tables on page 18 and 19 in the report: http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf If… Read more »
Just stumbled on this and thought of the early days of the blog.
I definitely advise you read the report itself; though for whatever weird reason it doesn’t include “forced to penetrate someone else” in rape, the researchers DID collect data on it. (And even besides that it collected tons of detail that the previous big government studies didn’t.)
I was referring to the alternate alternate universe, Earth-2-2.
Oh, comics, you so silly.
No, because Edge Maverick participated in the destruction of ‘Earth-2’, by basically giving an alternate 1960s US Earth mad scientist the power to start an unstoppable anti-matter reaction (by giving them usage of their engine crystal), which destroyed the planet. Note that this technology is alien to start with, and was only mastered properly in 2096.
Though I’ve never actually spent much time in brony culture, I am totally not surprised at their politeness.
The kinds of guys that call things “gay” called MLP “gay” and didn’t watch it.
Coming to this thread so very late, heh. I’m just gonna claim I’m fashionably late and call it good. I would like to yammer on a bit about ponies. Specifically little ones. Who are mine. I’ve been running some things around in my head for a while now about the intersection of masculism and brony culture. A primer: bronies are adult fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, are mostly males in the 16-30 range, and there are a metric fuckton of them–Equestria Daily, the main fansite for the show, receives around half a million hits per day. The… Read more »
Poe’s law, but for gender performativity.
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Caged Alpha Monkey
I think you’ve picked up on a great example to illustrate where I’m coming from, Fnord. Humor. But for determining whether you have Colin Firth’s or Angelina Jolie’s permission to ogle their asses, or for that matter Curly Howard’s permission to laugh at his pain, it generally works. Curly Howard is one of the Three Stooges (in case anyone didn’t know that.) Rather than be presumptive here, let me link a bit: Curly with Oyster Soup In reality, anyone who laughed at a man served malignant live oysters, who then went on an enraged shooting spree, would be a bit… Read more »
@ f Like, in film theory (I am admittedly not an expert at all) isn’t the camera’s gaze usually identified with the intent of the director? To me it’s always come across that way too – the director is the one who’s decided to focus on the character’s/actress’ breasts, not the character or actress. Not to say that this is necessarily a bad/prurient/sexist choice of visual focus, but for me it has absolutely nothing to do with the framework of enthusiastic consent. The character isn’t the one who is making an artistic decision to treat her body as an aesthetic… Read more »
Regarding the attractive people as reward thing (and it is about PEOPLE as reward, not sex per se). It’s certainly something to talk about, although I still wouldn’t call it misplaced sexuality. But that video is really bad place to start that critique. As you point out, on the surface it’s a non-sequitur. The narrative is there, in subtext, because the narrative already exists in our culture, but I’d put that more in the symptom column than cause. If you buy that pornography and prostitution can exist in a culture with a healthy approach to sexuality, as I do, then… Read more »
@The_L The reward thing: That one’s harder for me to say is good or bad. You hit the mentality I think is the worst; feeling like you’re owed sex. If someone said to me, “I wish I got more sex,” and whatever advice they get doesn’t coopt their ability to be happy, respectful, considerate, and honest, (and, “You might want to wear a fragrance and dress up,” could count) then I don’t really care if they see their desires being met as a reward, or sign that what they’re doing is working, or whatever. However, if what they try doesn’t… Read more »
@ Glove I’m on board with not using people as a measure of success. There’s so many of them: Girlfriend, no girlfriend; kids, no kids; Handsome actor I like, arguably not-so-handsome actor I like; rich parents, poor parents; sons, daughters; cool friends, nerdy friends; funny wife, humorless wife; smart husband, “that’s not where his strengths lie” husband; ad infinitum; ad nauseam. You name it and there’s a way people have used other people to bump their own opinions, and third party opinions, of themselves up a notch. No, it’s usually not cool and most of us do it a little… Read more »
@Jay, I am legit fascinated by “fictional form of enthusiastic consent.” Mostly because for me, the camera lens, the musical cues, etc. have never been identified with what a figure in the film wants. Like, in film theory (I am admittedly not an expert at all) isn’t the camera’s gaze usually identified with the intent of the director? To me it’s always come across that way too – the director is the one who’s decided to focus on the character’s/actress’ breasts, not the character or actress. Not to say that this is necessarily a bad/prurient/sexist choice of visual focus, but… Read more »
@Glove: No, I’m skeeved out by it too. Sex is not a reward for buying the right kind of beer or deodorant. Sex is not something that the world owes you because you wear that nice shirt or use that particular razor to shave with, or follow up with that particular brand of aftershave.
Granted, the whole point of grooming products is to make you look and feel more attractive, but there should be a way to couch it as…well, not this.
@Jay, @Fnord,
I guess my problem is presenting people’s bodies and sexual agency as a reward, or a measure of success. Like, spend money on this product, get laid. Pay money, and get hawt laydeez in return.
Maybe it’s the whole capitalism thing that I don’t like. Who knows.