Our Bodies, Our Choices: Circumcision is Not a Joke

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  1. I was mortified when I learned as a preteen that boys were circumcised. None of the males in my family were. What a horrible first experience for someone who has just entered the world. A previous commenter posted links to publications on the resulting psychological trauma. It begs the question… if in the US, for example, a majority of baby boys are routinely circumcised, are we as a society manufacturing recurring generations of psychologically damaged people?

  2. Okay, lots of things here.
    1) FGM has absolutely no place, whatever, in this article. MOST men who are “mutilated” (circumcised) are still fully functional sexually (read: able to achieve orgasm) where women who are “mutilated” (mutilated) are not as the clitoris is the only way for MOST women to achieve an orgasm. I know it said that the author was not comparing them, fine. But if he’s not then there is no reason to even bring it up because they are NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING THE SAME THING.
    2) Telling me to “shut up,” that since I don’t have a penis I don’t have an opinion? Um, what? Considering the fact that a penis occasionally enters my vagina and that I might one day have a baby that just MIGHT have a penis, I believe I have every right to an opinion. Further, this post was tagged with “abortion” and “pro-choice” so I’m assuming that the author, or whoever, has an opinion about abortion, regardless of their lack of a uterus. Never mind their STANCE, the fact that they don’t have a uterus means they need to “shut up” and they shouldn’t have an opinion (if the infographic shown is upheld to all decisions that have to do with strictly male or female parts.)
    3) Do your research; circumcisions performed in hospitals use a local antiseptic. Like, you know when you get stitches and you can’t feel the pain of being repeatedly stabbed with a needle? Also, as far as I could tell most of these horror stories are from a long time ago. How many botched circumcisions are there now days? All the images I’ve seen are old and so is the data.
    4) This article said that uncircumcised men have more sensitive penises. To me, this would just make me not want to sleep with an uncircumcised man because that means he’s going to orgasm quickly, which means I probably wouldn’t get to, and what’s the fun in that? In a comment a woman (C. Williams) said that it’s better to have sex with an uncircumcised man “Because of the increased sensitivity of the head of the penis, the motions of love making are much gentler from a circumcised man.” Huh? Snore…. She goes on “Circumcised men must thrust deeply in and pull almost all the way out in order to feel.” Uh, most women I know like/love this… “This exaggerated motion, with the exposed coronal ridge voids the vagina of moisture making lovemaking painful for a woman.” Maybe for you sister, but I do not have this problem. You should look into lube. They sell it everywhere
    5) Can you PLEASE stop saying “intact” in place of “uncircumcised”??? I mean, a man’s pride is apparently in his pants and to go around saying that a circumcised man is not “intact” you are saying that he is “incomplete” “incapable” “inadequate” etc, which, dearies, is FAR from the truth.
    6) All this being said, while some things we don’t get a say in, like our names, I DO think that circumcision should be a choice left up to the owner of the foreskin. However, people are going to do what they want regardless of my opinions…

    • Agreed

    • Not to mention, I am not going to listen to the whole “you don’t have one, so shut up” argument until the mostly male government gets the hell out of my reproductive system. I would never vote for or stand with a party that was trying to make circumcision a law, so do your part and get on the right side of this very real fight that is occurring right now regarding women’s reproductive rights.

      And anyone that is ignorant enough to compare circumcision to female genital mutilation needs to see if they can stomach a video or two. Cutting off a toe and severing a leg is not the same thing.

      • So you’re just going to give an eye for an eye until they stop telling you what to do with your reproductive system? I don’t think that’s helpful. He’s got a penis. You don’t (I assume, at least, from your comment). He has a right to tell you that your opinion on his penis/circumcision isn’t relevant, just like you have the right to tell him that his opinions on your vagina/reproductive choices/etc aren’t relevant.

        If either of you do run into a sexual partner with or without an intact penis (and it is intact, ladies, not “uncircumcised” – just like our vaginas are intact and not “un-mutilated”), you have the right to have a conversation with that partner. If you have a son, you have the right to have that conversation with his father, to make that circumcision decision based on the best knowledge you have. But you don’t have a right to tell all males, or this male, to man up, to stop bitching, that he’s being over dramatic. You have no right to minimize his experience. His penis was damaged. To write that off as “a man’s pride is in his pants” is a sexist comment and it infuriates me that as women we go around saying things like that when we’ve been written off for far to long with statements that are just as moronic. There are far more men being damaged by this than we know about, and even if they aren’t, they have a right to speak up and say they don’t want to be circumcised as infants.

        I do think the comparison to FGM is a little over the top – but he straight up says he knows they aren’t the same. He’s trying to elicit a response. It’s a technique used to get your attention, and it worked…though I think a lot of women here got really defensive about it instead of hearing him out. He’s talking about someone forcibly doing something violent to his penis. How is that different than someone doing something violent to a baby girl’s vagina? We’d never tolerate that, and we’d be the first ones making comparisons to rape and FGM. The writer takes circumcision very seriously and wants others to know how he feels about it. There is no need to get defensive. We can all agree that FGM is horrific and needs to stop – and that circumcision being left to a grown man to choose might be a completely rational and sensible thing to do.

    • PREACH!

      I’m no fan of routine circumcision, but the hyperbolic comparisons to FGM, rape, and forced birth are ludicrously offensive and counterproductive. Counterproductive because everyone with a lick of sense knows they’re moronic, which is why using them serves only to undermine credibility. Have these people learned nothing from Reefer Madness?

    • 1. I can agree. However both are violations of the body of a person who can’t consent to the procedure. Pointing that is not a comparison (even though it is sometimes accused of being so).

      2. Yeah its not cool to be told that is it? In regards to abortion the sentiment of “If you don’t ovulate, stay out of the debate” has been around for a long time (even to the point where some guys have been told they shouldn’t even feel any sadness over the child that never will be). I know I’ve been told the “you don’t have one, shut up” line on abortion before even when I agreeing that it should be a woman’s final decision (it turns out she believed that men shouldn’t even have an opinion on the topic much less final say). I think that given the fact that we are all in this together we MUST be able to talk to each other and have thoughts and opinions regardless of who makes the final choice.

      3. Regardless of how many are botched, where they are botched, or how long ago they were botched they were still botched. I’m sure if FGM were done under cleaner conditions there would be a much less risk of infection and things going wrong. But I’m pretty sure making FGM more sterile wouldn’t suddenly make it okay. I’ve always found it odd when people argue “but circumcision is done under clean and sterile conditions” as if that makes altering a person’s body without there consent.

      4. So that woman’s preference and opinion isn’t valid? As for “She goes on “Circumcised men must thrust deeply in and pull almost all the way out in order to feel.” Uh, most women I know like/love this…” She may be talking about guys that go overcompensate and thrust too hard or go too deep (I’m assuming that not every woman is the same depth).

      5. That one I agree with.

      6. Agreed.

    • Thank you. This is an important in its own right but even with the caveat’s offered in this article, there is NOTHING to be gained from comparing male circumcision to FGM or the reproductive justice debate. This stuff smacks of the bullish*t “men’s rights” rhetoric that consistently diminishes the real impact of gender inequality in our society. What I like about this site is that it largely avoids that type of rhetoric, though I’ve seen it creep in on more than a few occasions recently.

      The arguments around male circumcision are compelling enough without comparing the issue to a 10 yr. old girls having her clitoral hood, clitoris, labia, etc. removed or her vagina sewn together. Make the case and let it stand. Don’t conflate the issue.

      • John Anderson says:

        @ Chrissy

        “there is NOTHING to be gained from comparing male circumcision to FGM or the reproductive justice debate.”

        I disagree. The article was not written for those who already disagree with routine male infant circumcision. It was written for those who have not yet taken a position on it. Some of these people may already believe in a woman’s right to choose and oppose people’s attempts to curtail this right despite their religious conviction. It’s simple. If you don’t believe that someone has the right to tell a woman what she can or can’t do or must do with her body because of your religious conviction, why should anyone including a parent, be able to dictate what a boy must do to his penis. Unless you believe in parental consent for minors to get an abortion, it should be an easy enough connection to make.

    • ATYPICAL: I’m sorry but the magnitude of your ignorance confounds me.

      1) Many men, myself included suffer painful erections due to circumcision, so while I may still ejaculate, I often don’t orgasm (yes, look it up, there’s a difference).

      So is it your belief that the genital mutilation of others is acceptable if it doesn’t eliminate the ability to orgasm?

      2) You don’t have a penis so you don’t have a clue, period. And occasionally having a penis in your vagina does not give you a say.

      3) they still mess up circumcisions, but more importantly. We are born with it for a reason. It’s not stamped, “remove at birth” nor does it fall of on its own. I can’t think of another body part we arbitrarily remove at birth.

      4) You do understand that this statement indicates that you think it is acceptable to mutilate men’s genitals for your potential sexual satisfaction right? This is simply barbaric and I’m sure it’s exactly the type of thinking that results in FGM.

      5) INTACT – def; not altered, broken, or impaired; remaining uninjured, sound, or whole; untouched; unblemished…enough said.

    • Well, Atypical – this deserves a couple of responses.
      1) Incorrect. FGM, both type I and II, only seldomly causes loss of ability to have an orgasm. A high percentage of women, even type III FGM victims after defibulation, reported being able to have orgasms, consistently. (http://www.womenonwaves.org/en/page/4715/sexual-pleasure-after-female-genital-mutilation – refers to ‘Pleasure and orgasm in women with female genital mutilation/cutting, L. Catania, O. Abdulcadir, et al, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17970975 ). Feel free to google around a bit, you can find plenty of other research about this.

      2) Oh, most definitely, you are entitled to an opinion. Question is, in a hypothetical situation where you are pregnant with someone’s child – does the father of that child have a right to an opinion on whether you should have an abortion or not, or should they shut up too?

      3) I will assume you meant local analgesic. Said analgesic is by the way not effective in blocking the pain levels involved during circumcision. Studies show long-lingering psychological effects of the procedure for as much as weeks afterward, and during the neonatal stage, it takes a lot to cause that.
      There is plenty of recent data on male circumcision, especially for the US. The CDC reported in 2011 that, following an earlier increase in neonatal circumcision rates, rates decreased in the period 1999 to 2010. Citing three different data sources, most recent rates were 56.9% in 2008 (NHDS) 56.3% in 2008 (NIS), and 54.7% in 2010 (CDM). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision).
      As for complications from circumcision, it depends on what you’re talking about. If we’re talking ‘penis turns black and falls off’ level, then yes – the severe complication statistic in the US is around median 0-0.2%. Any complication falls around the 1.5% median. But if you’re looking at later complications in the form of changes to sensation of sexual pleasure, deformation, scar sensitivity or psychological effect? Upwards of 30%.

      Mull on that for a bit. 30% of the little over 50% of male americans born in 2010 that were circumcised, will grow up with their alteration complicating their sex life. That is a rather large number of people. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23374102?dopt=Abstract , Frisch, M., Lindholm, M., and Grønbæk, M., “Male Circumcision and Sexual Function in Men and Women: A Survey-based, Cross-sectional Study in Denmark,” International Journal of Epidemiology (2011);1–15.)

      As for the lack of pictures, the reason most medical pictures of intimate parts are old is because of changes in the legislation, protecting the privacy of patients, and copyright law. You find the greatest number of available images from the medical community in the public domain from 1960-1980. After that, studies often did not release images used in that study as public domain, but retained copyright of those images. Buy access to the studies if you really want recent images of malformed penises.

      4) So if I find that a woman orgasms too quickly for my tastes, I should insist she get circumcised?
      Endurance is something that is achieved by ‘training’, not by changing your body’s ability to feel stimuli. We men are not hardwired so that X nerveendings firing Y times results in an orgasm, it is a product of the mind as much as it is the body. To suggest we are so base we are ruled utterly by what our penis tells us is, frankly, quite offensive.

      5) This one… You are so far out of bounds you hopefully look back at this with a little perspective and feel ashamed for uttering it. After bringing up female genital mutilation as the abhorrence of complete loss of pleasure in point 2, you DARE to claim that a male’s foreskin has less value to their identity? Take your misandry elsewhere.

      6) Thank you. So your opinion in point 2 about your right to have an opinion even though you lack a penis should be given the same weight as you give everyone else’s, then?

    • Your wrong with # 3 Im and RN have been for over 35 years. Cercs are done with the infant strapped in a devise that places all four limbs out . a hemostat is used to crush the line to be cut then scissors is used to cut along the line, no pain killer is used at any time. Doc say they don’t feel it. infant screams the whole time. some have a bleed with has to be burned to stop it no suture are used There are other ways like the band witch is place around the foreskin until it fall off painless right. You don’t have a clue!

    • Wow that is really disturbing of you to argue.

    • Anonymous says:

      my foury’s so big i can use it as a tent when i go camping? yewww gotta luv it

    • Hi there. Oxford University compares female genital mutilation with circumcision. http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2013/03/announcement-journal-of-medical-ethics-special-issue-on-circumcision/

      Enjoy

  3. It is up to the owner of the penis, I couldn’t agree with you more.

    Circumcision has done me no favors! I have had bleeding abrasions from intercourse that a foreskin would have prevented. These abrasions have made me leery of having sex with my wife. Without the mechanical lubrication provided by a foreskin, I have to use artificial lubricant or sex would be painful for my wife and I. My parent’s chose this painful and unsatisfactory sex life for me and my wife and I simply cannot fathom why. I would never have chosen to have my foreskin removed. Only 1/16,667 intact males will have a problem with their foreskin, 99% of which can be treated with medicine not surgery. 117 babies die from circumcision a year in the US that is 9/100,000 babies that die each year from a cosmetic surgery. Men have lost their penis, glans, and suffered from deformity caused by the operation. It isn’t right that these children pay the price for a decision their parents made, a decision that should be left up to the owner of the penis. Even those who survive still have problems like mine, though they are seldom discussed. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceht-3xu84I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    http://Www.sexasnatureintendedit.com

    They didn’t tell you the functions of the foreskin, but they did lie to you and said it had health benefits. Did they also tell you it pays for their house, their cars, and their children’s college? FYI It is illegal to sell an organ taken from a patient but they still do it.

    Foreskin for sale: $155/500µg = $310,000/g = $8,788,345/oz.

    http://www.rockland-inc.com/Product.aspx?id=40484

    My numbers and claims are supported by these studies: 
    Dutch Medical society and their stance on RIC
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/dhipa1ei2rqj12q/KNMG-viewpoint-Non-therapeutic-circumcision-of-male-minors-27-05-2010-v2%20%281%29.pdf

    Meta-analysis of circumcision research 
    http://www.hindawi.com/isrn/urology/2013/109846/

    This document outlines the deaths caused by circumcision in the US.
    http://db.tt/0LW1FHVy

    All the myths about circumcision and how they are dispelled.
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201109/myths-about-circumcision-you-likely-believe

    Boy wants to be a girl after botched circumcision
    http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/11/09/52144.htm

    Cost benefit analysis of circumcision. 
    http://mdm.sagepub.com/content/24/6/584.abstract

    US Navy Study that shows circumcision has no effect on HIV or STI infection rates.
    http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA458066

    Doctors around the world critique AAP’s circumcision opinion.
    http://www.circumstitions.com/Docs/aap-12-europe.pdf

    All the statements made by medical organizations about circumcision, and they are cited.
    http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/

    Men complaining about being circumcised against their will.
    http://www.mendocomplain.com

    Three Videos of Circumcisions they are very graphic.
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjkd30_infant-circumcision-injection-and-procedure_news#.UYWGx7Vn7pI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXVFFI76ff0&feature=player_embedded

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MDuDhkiDdns

  4. *hugs you and doesn’t let go*
    Thank you for writing this article.

  5. I genuinely applaud the writer of this piece. It’s a very sensitive, delicate issue. Whilst I can see why comparing it to FGM can really ruffle a few feathers (and before anyone asks, I’m a woman with a doctorate on gender and politics) – I think the author has done a beautiful job. Not mentioning it will raise the question of ‘WELL WHY ISN’T IT THERE? IT’S IMPORTANT TOO? PATRIARCHY!!!!’ Saying it’s ‘even worse’, or ‘more important’ than FGM will get it shot down by most sane people.

    I really like what’s been done here:

    “Parallels to Female Genital Mutilation (FGM), seem offensive when a parallel is mistaken for comparison. But let me be clear: I do not compare the two. I draw a parallel related to genital integrity”

    The way this article is written is one that both men and women (and everyone who is both/in between/neither) can relate to. I empathized at a visceral level at the author’s personal narrative, whereas the science he cited (on how the removed parts are the most sensitive) just sent shivers down my spine. Yes. Clear overlaps to the ways in which women are abused. Different, but parallel.

    By acknowledging both forms of pain, and the different ways in which they affect the well-being of a person, I feel as though the author provides a balanced treatment of the subject – and one all those who support the idea ‘my body, my choice’ can get behind. We can even ask more structural questions as to Who? Why? and What do we do about it?

    I am so grateful to have read this. Thank you for writing it.

    • “Parallels to Female Genital Mutilation (FGM), seem offensive when a parallel is mistaken for comparison. But let me be clear: I do not compare the two. I draw a parallel related to genital integrity”
      While there are those that try the direct comparison at the same time there are more than a few folks that take nearly any instance of cutting both boys and girls in the same article as a comparison by default and then launch into “girls have it worse” mode.

      Both procedures are serious violations of a person’s bodily autonomy in the form their bodies being altered without their consent. Full stop (as the kids say these days.)

    • GSS, I’m also a woman with a doctorate relating to gender, and I couldn’t agree with you more. This is an important conversation to be having. Tom, thanks for writing this. My sympathy goes out tho the boys and men who have suffered as a result of their circumcisions…

    • ihavequestions says:

      – And some forms of FGM are vastly less invasive and traumatic than the typical American circumcision surgery.

  6. Stephanie says:

    I fought my husband, even conceded my sons’ first name, to keep him intact! Mothers DO have a lot of influence on circumcision, so instead of. ‘Shut up’ encourage them to keep their babies intact. My son will one day have his own sex life who can then decide if he’d like to alter his body. The mothers of these babies could be your greatest ally!!!

  7. The argument for circumcision really only comes down to two things, religion or hygiene.

    Religion: If you are a religious person I simply ask that you consider that if your god put it there, there was a reason for doing so. Otherwise your god made an error and I want you to consider the implications of that. How many people have had tonsils or appendixes removed because they were believed unnecessary?

    Hygiene: We don’t cut off peoples hands because some people don’t wash then effectively, we teach them to wash. The fact is, a penis has decidedly less nooks, crannies and folds to care for than a vagina. Is anyone suggesting that vaginas needs to be altered to make them easier to clean? I certainly hope not.

    The fact is, it is by very definition, genital mutilation. And, while you can spend all day arguing which is more severe there is one simple undeniable fact. Only ONE of these procedures happens daily in our hospitals in western civilized nations! This is a tragedy that needs to stop. ALL FORMS OF GENITAL MUTILATION ARE BARBARIC!

    • Hygiene: We don’t cut off peoples hands because some people don’t wash then effectively, we teach them to wash. The fact is, a penis has decidedly less nooks, crannies and folds to care for than a vagina. Is anyone suggesting that vaginas needs to be altered to make them easier to clean? I certainly hope not.
      Pretty much. Its amazing that people bring up the hygiene argument. And even the heavily contested “It decreases the risk of catching STDs/Is. Has it come to that now? Instead of teaching boys/men proper hygience and safe sex practices its better to just remove it to make things easier?

      What other body part, male female or otherwise, do we remove at that early of age for the sake of preventative maintenance?

  8. I am so thankful whenever I think of it that my parents decided to have me circumcised. I couldn’t imagine having to go through life without being cut. I don’t think woman should have any say in the discussion whatsoever. This is something that affects men and should be decided by men,

    • ihavequestions says:

      Let’s see how “thankful” you are after you are older, and begin to suffer from erectile dysfunction due to having been circumcised. Let’s see how “thankful” you are after your lady (assuming you are hetero) goes through menopause, and the pounding that you have to do because of your lack of penile sensitivity causes her pain.

      Your “thankfulness” does not justify the continued routine genital mutilation of baby boys.

    • Theorema Egregium says:

      Except that your mother certainly had a lot of say in the discussion.

      But now that an empathic supporter of genital cutting is here, I want to ask you a question, because there’s something I want to understand:
      I understand how anybody can have a deep emotional investment in staying intact and wanting others to stay intact. What I do not understant is how anybody can have an emotional investment in being cut as a child. I mean, it’s not like a on-the-balance-of-reasoning decision for you, the idea of being intact is actually abhorrent to you. Barring religious reasons, why could that be? Hygiene is a spurious reason, but even if you accept it it does not give a fervent conviction, does it?

      The only possible such reason I ever could come up with is that maybe people (like you) subconsciously feel that everything is not alright at all, and try to drown out that nagging suspicion (with the corresponding self-esteem issues) by loudly proclaiming that everything is more than alright. And as for the proselityzing, after all we often strive to convince others in order to convice ourselves.

      • Anonymous says:

        wow, give it a rest will ya, some people just like one thing over another, you don’t have to analyze the shit outta everything. a deep emotional investment, wow, it’s just appearance, most people won’t have any problems at all, you’re putting way to much thought into other peoples dicks. get a life.

  9. wallywood says:

    According to the author’s flowchart HE himself has no right or interest expressing his opinion.

    According to his flowchart the only person entitled to such opinion is a fresh-born infant.

    Oddly the word in-fant means “can’t speak.”

  10. Please don’t say “if you don’t have one, you have no say”. While I was still pregnant, I made the decision not to circumcise should my child be born a boy. I believe it is an outdated and barbaric practice. This despite family religious pressure to conform.

    I did indeed have a son & expect to discuss this with him when he’s older. My mother said my son wouldn’t be accepted into our religion. A close male friend (of the same religion, who is also against routine circumcision) assured me that nobody has ever requested to see his lack of foreskin!

  11. Wow. Some of you ladies are so over the top its pretty nuts. Reasonable women are recoiling in horror all over this article.

    The article states quite clearly that circumcision and FGM are not the same thing.

    I agree. But as a circumcised male, I can tell you I am REALLY NOT HAPPY that 90% of the nerve tissue in my penis was removed for no good reason.

    Thats all it says.

    In the future, when a woman tells me I have no right to an opinion on reproductive law (I am Pro-Choice) because I don’t have a vagina and uterus, I would like to thank you for providing me with the perfect refutation.

    For a bunch of people without penisis…you sure have opinions on what should and should be done to them on infant, innocent boys.

    But you don’t have a penis. So by your own rules…you are a total hypocrite.

    • Theorema Egregium says:

      It’s not quite as simple. Apparently you have a right to an opinion on abortion as long as that opinion is pro-choice. Likewise a woman is allowed to be pro-choice on this matter (being against infant genital cutting is nothing than being pro-choice — after all a man is entitled to have it done on his own volition anytime later). And that makes a lot of sense. You cannot have an opinion that forces an irreversible decision on others, but an opinion that grants the other person autonomy over themselves is always alright.

    • Wow. Some of you ladies are so over the top its pretty nuts. Reasonable women are recoiling in horror all over this article. The article states quite clearly that circumcision and FGM are not the same thing.

      Which is exactly why I said this above:
      While there are those that try the direct comparison at the same time there are more than a few folks that take nearly any instance of cutting both boys and girls in the same article as a comparison by default and then launch into “girls have it worse” mode.

  12. Why FGM and MGM are not the same thing?

    Most FGM is of the nick, pinprick, hood or labia removal variety, which are either not worse or similar to mgm.

    Wherever rusty blades are being used on women they are also being used on men.

    The same rationales are used for both.

    We have been deceived into believe they are not the same thing, by comparing the worst forms of FGM with the best forms of MGM.

  13. wellokaythen says:

    It’s like FGM. It’s not like FGM. What difference does that really make to the larger point? Whatever the similarities and differences, the basic argument sounds pretty valid and pretty gender-neutral:

    Don’t mutilate a baby’s genitals because it’s traditional or because it’s just what you do in your culture, country, hospital, whatever. You better have a damn good medical reason, and so far a lot of the so-called medical reasons are dubious.

    I cut my baby boy’s foreskin because the voices in my head told me to — lock me away.
    I cut my baby boy’s foreskin because someone 3000 years ago heard voices — no problem.

    If a person as an adult consents to being mutilated, then I have no problem with that. Snip away.

    If the vast majority of circumcised people would never volunteer for that as an adult, then that ought to tell you something. If if HAS to happen when the person is a baby or a child, then that ought to be a clue….

  14. wellokaythen says:

    People without penises are not allowed to have an opinion about male circumcision?

    If they’re against it, I bet you’d be okay with them having an opinion….

    If a female doctor was in the position being asked to perform one, I would like her to have an opinion, preferably deep scepticism about the medical benefits of doing so. If there are women on a hospital governing board examining the evidence about medical benefits, I want them to have an opinion based on good evidence. If there are women in the forefront of putting a stop to this barbarity, then good.

  15. The central question is why are we doing this to BABIES? People who can’t consent who are completely at the mercy of other people. Forget about the penises of grown men for a moment or how you feel about this as an adult. Forget for the moment that this is even about genitals at all.

    This is cutting something that (virtually) every boy is born with. We’re not talking about fixing a clept palate or a club foot. This is basically cutting a baby because you want to. Dress it up in tradition or religion or culture or aesthetics, but it’s basically “because I want to and you can’t stop me.”

  16. Well said Steve and Wellokaythen. Argue the severity ask you want. Any mutilation of any unwilling person is barbaric. It’s ok to do to a boy because girls have it worse its rediculous. Anyone can have an opinion, but, no one should be allowed to mutilate anyone without their express written consent, as an adult.

  17. I think the “Horror” of circumcision is being greatly over played here. I’m aware there are cases where being circumcised has led to health problems and a loss of feeling/pleasure for some. But speaking as someone who was circumcised later in life (10 years old) due to my foreskin being too tight and getting stuck. I wouldn’t say the experience was traumatic, it wasn’t pleasant but no operation is. I have a healthy and robust sex life which I enjoy immensely. I agree it should be your choice when it comes to your body. Nobody should make that decision for you but let’s not vilify a procedure for the sake of human rights.

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