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Feminism has been getting a bad rap in modern media. The idea women should be able to advocate for seeing more women in positions of authority and responsibility in the workplace seems diametrically opposed to the treatment they are currently on the receiving end of, which is often sexist, misogynistic and discriminatory in the extreme.
How did the idea of fair treatment of women somehow come to mean discrimination against men? Sexism is becoming harder to recognize, it has become more insidious. A “can’t put my finger on it but I know it when I see it” kind of thing making it problematic for women to get recognition for their efforts.
With “bro-culture” clearly evident in the technology industry, it has become endemic for this industry to police itself better, but if current trends are any indication, this transformation is likely to take decades.
What will it take to change the toxic formation of bro-culture, which has extremely sexist tendencies, without making it seem as if men aren’t welcome in the workplace? How can the office culture accommodate a change which is challenging what has been considered business-as-usual for the last hundred years or so?
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Their seems to be some misinformation in history, biology, and group dynamics of men in their work spaces. Men and women, in general, communicate and socialize differently due to 100,000s of years of evolutionary biological monkey imperatives. As men and women gradually come together in the same space, physiological and biological afflictions are more likely to occur to either sex. You ever see a guy (or girl) behave out their normal when near or talking to(or attempting to) the person who THEY find extremely attractive? For example. Many of these spaces are where men work, collaborate, and mediate into their… Read more »
What will it take to change the toxic formation of bro-culture, which has extremely sexist tendencies, without making it seem as if men aren’t welcome in the workplace? Its simple and almost ironic. You know how there are 2-3 posts a month here about how men need to listen to women without judgement or dismissal? Has anyone considered extending that same courtesy to men? There are several articles right here at GMP that will reduce discrimination against to men to just a side effect of discrimination against women, declare that sexism against men isn’t real, and use quote marks as… Read more »
“There are several articles right here at GMP that will reduce discrimination against to men to just a side effect of discrimination against women, declare that sexism against men isn’t real, and use quote marks as if mocking the very idea of discrimination/sexism against men. And when they aren’t aren’t listened to they lash out in anger. “ Reminds me of yet another article I just read around here somewhere, that yet again asked the question why men bottle up and don’t express their emotional needs in a relationship. Because, most often, a lifetime of experience have taught us that… Read more »
I have been told I did not get a job based largely on being male twice. Technically I have been sexually harassed by a female colleague. I think sexism is a two way street. I think that we need to have open debate on this issue and I feel for the men who feel they can’t speak out on isdues like sexism and diversity. Just look at James Damore who was fired from Google just for presenting the science of sex differences. We should all be able to discuss these issues and how we are impacted by them.
I think your experinces are atypical. Though, no less unfair. Sexism can be a two way street, but men still dominate and control positions of leadership which puts women at a distinct disadvantage and thus, more open to sexism. If there were more women in positions of leadership, the landscape may look different. There might be more incidents of sexual harressment where women are guilty of it. But the reality is, that isn’t the landscape we live in. As for James Damore, he does what we all do. He had a core set of beliefs and looked for the data… Read more »
I have an unpopular opinion, having spent the last 25 years in the tech industry. I can’t even write about it, because it’s a CLM pointing out how dangerous it is to be a man these days, working with female colleagues. I just shut up and take it, am extremely careful about what I say, and always make sure that there are several witnesses around whenever I have any interaction with women in the workplace. I have far too many horror stories involving my former co-workers who were not so dilligent/lucky.
As a man I have been told that I didn’t get a job because I am a man on one occassion and “whilst we have had men do this job in the past the majority of those we employ here are mothers” on another. I feel that sexism is a two way street. I have also technically been sexually harassed by a female colleague. My major concern is that because of left-wing/feminist pressure to end sexism and sexual harassment the conversation is effectively male-bashing or virtue signalling and no real debate. Just look at James Damore and his diversity memo.… Read more »
sounds as though you are thinking or would like to say things that you shouldn’t. cultural change is confronting. i say this in an effort of support and so as to benefit all of human kind…i think you should read the article again..
No. The horror stories I’m talking about, the men involved were completely innocent. I was there. Things didn’t happen the way they were portrayed, and in a couple cases, didn’t happen at all. I was there.
I’m not thinking of saying anything. I’m thinking of having something I say misconstrued, or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time without witnesses.
To give a more specific example, just the other day, I made a comment in the office about something completely, innocently work-related. To my horror, it made the perfect setup for a really rude “that’s what she said” (which is exactly how one of my female colleagues replied). A second woman who was over near my desk, where this was happening, said “well, that’s my cue to leave”, and went back to her part of the office. I was stressed for the rest of the week, wondering if maybe I was going to get called into HR. I’ve seen it… Read more »
Could you imagine though, if I’d gone to HR and complained about the first woman, who delivered the “that’s what she said” ?
I’d be laughed out of the building so fast, I wouldn’t even get to grab my jacket on the way out the door.
It’s even worse for me, because I look the part of the stereotypical “nice guy”/”geek”. Short, scrawny, and ugly (despite my years at the gym, and all my image consultants). So if I were to compliment a woman in the office (which I avoid like the plague), or even say I thought she did an awesome job of hacking some clever code into the system…well, that’s automatically unwanted attention, because I’m ugly. If it ever resulted in an HR complaint, who would listen to me. It’s so easy to believe that I’m a sad case of a man who couldn’t… Read more »
Men have to change to women standards and sensibilities, but women don’t have to do the same!? And in a place where men could be men, away from over-feminizing standards and emasculating sensibility. Its like you’re saying its not ok to be a man at OUR standards and in spaces we made for ourselves rather go creating your own space. Sounds a bit sexist too me or at least discriminatory.