Looks and Longterm Fidelity

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Tom Matlack is the co-founder of The Good Men Project. He has a 18-year-old daughter and 16- and 7-year-old sons. His wife, Elena, is the love of his life. Follow him on Twitter @TMatlack.

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  1. Amy Alkon says:

    I find the notion that men “should” be attracted to women for what’s within — which is just not how male sexuality works — extremely damaging.

    As I write in my recent Psychology Today piece on the truth about beauty:
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201010/the-truth-about-beauty

    No man will turn his head to ogle a woman because she looks like the type to buy a turkey sandwich for a homeless man or read to the blind.

    A man can think you’re a beautiful human being but if you let yourself go to seed, there’s a good chance he’s not going to be sexually attracted to you anymore, and that can prove dangerous to a relationship.

    Men’s looks matter to heterosexual women only somewhat. Most women prefer men who are taller than they are, with symmetrical features (a sign that a potential partner is healthy and parasite-free). But, women across cultures are intent on finding male partners with high status, power, and access to resources—which means a really short guy can add maybe a foot to his height with a private jet.

    Women, also, may no longer be attracted to a partner if he lets his hygiene go or puts on a lot of weight. But, women’s looks are a far greater priority to men than men’s are to women.

    If you know how important looks are to a man, you understand that it’s disrespectful to your partner to let yourself go. Now, I’m not saying a woman has to be dressed to the nines at all times. But, as I say at the end of the piece:

    Too many women try to get away with a bait-and-switch approach to appearance upkeep. If you spend three hours a day in the gym while you’re dating a guy, don’t think that you can walk down the aisle and say “I do…and, guess what…now I don’t anymore!” A woman needs to come up with a workable routine for maintaining her looks throughout her lifetime and avoid rationalizing slacking off— while she’s seeking a man and after she has one. Yeah, you might have to put five or ten extra minutes into prettying up just to hang around the house. And, sure, you might be more “comfortable” in big sloppy sweats, but how “comfortable” will you be if he leaves you for a woman who cares enough to look hot for him?”

    • I’ll keep myself pretty, but I’m not putting any more work into my appearance than my spouse does. If I have to put ten more minutes into my appearance, than I expect him to do it, too, regardless of what science says, which doesn’t even try to figure out if it’s a culturally conditioned thing or not. Physical appearance is a subjective thing. In some cultures, women don’t have to do anything to keep up their appearance. Fat, AKA, letting your self go in American culture, is seen as beautiful in some cultures, because it means you have wealth and status–for both men and women. And both sexes find this attractive. Anthropological research in Malia will tell you that.

    • Female Feedback says:

      Wow, I so disagree with this.

      I wanted a man who had some means in the economy but who had the skills and emotional availability to be a good parent. I do not prefer men with “high status, power, and access to resources” if they don’t show that interest and ability in being a good dad. I reject them if they don’t show that interest and ability in being a good dad.

      I’d like for him to take his physical appearance as seriously as I take mine – that is, to stay in good health and good physical shape.

      I suspect this is the “evolutionary psychology” that gets promoted by Buss and others. It is based on the male control of resources (often by forcefully excluding women, or even minorities, such as black men) in patriarchy. As women acquire direct access to resources, these priorities shift. Buss’ work is very controversial for reinforcing male dominance of women by acting like this is “hard-wired” when it is just a phenomenon of the economic and political disenfranchisement of women.

      Incredibly cynical stuff that is especially hard on children born from people who think this is what is mating is about and who have it reinforced by evolutionary psychology. Almost guaranteed to produce divorce in people who marry on this basis.

    • Female Feedback says:

      Also, if you read a book like “Passionate Marriage” by David Schnarch, “How Do I Get Through To You,” by Terry Real or “The Gender Knot” by Alan Johnson, you get a very different idea of what men’s priorities are.

      They discuss how men get socialized into sex being the only way they can connect with another human being and also how they can see women only as objects.

      These are self-actualized men, though, who have either had their emotional lives nurtured as children (or who have developed that as adults through therapy, etc), who have looked at how patriarchy traumatized them as children, who value their relationships with their children and want to prevent that trauma in them, etc.

      I have heard that only something like 10-15% of men are actually interested in relationships with women and the rest are only interested in the sex with the good-looking woman, preferably who has no needs or wants of her own. This parallels other statistics I’ve seen that some 80-85% of children suffer dysfunctional childhoods of varying degrees of severity.

      I guess we shall see what happens now that women’s educational accomplishments are outpacing men (some 60% of college degrees went to women this year and this is anticipated to increase to 70% in the next 5-10 years).

      If the resources are controlled by women, will men seek out the woman with “high status, power, and access to resources” and women select men based on apparent fertility (younger men not only have more ready ability to have sex but they also have healthier sperm; there is chromosomal deterioration as men age, particularly past age 35)?

      Or will marriages of equals become more prevalent.? A recent Pew Research study showed that the more equal a marriage is (in terms of both partners earning, both partners parenting, both partners doing the unpaid work of keeping the home life going) the longer it lasts.

      I hope the latter as I think it bodes very well for more children to have healthy childhoods and to get us past that dismal 80-85% dysfunction statistic.

    • Sounds like evolutionary biology as justification for Social Darwinism. While I think that it’s reasonable to keep up some amount of grooming, exercising, and overall healthy living (for both men and women), an orientation towards the superficial is more likely to lead to infidelity IMHO.

    • Jesus what a depressing outlook. Why should I try getting involved long term with any man in that case? No matter how much I work on my appearance, eventually I’ll get old and lose my looks. You are saying it is impossible for a man to really care about a woman. That sends a horrible message.

  2. Jenniffer C. Weigel says:

    Attraction in general has to be in tact- that doesn’t necessarily mean how one “looks”.. If you have a stunning spouse yet you’ve lost respect for them somehow- that will cause a rift that goes deeper than how they look in a bathing suit!

  3. Matthew Piepenburg says:

    Romantic love begins with the eyes and finds its duration in the chest and mind. To deny the initial importance of physical attraction is frankly disingenuous; however, as love deepens, what i see as “sexy” or attractive in my lover has far less to do with the standard measures (that admittedly have their place early on) and more to do with simple gestures, hidden sparks, and a silent language and desire earned over years together. Her sexy little sounds and glances turn me on– even her scent. This kind of attraction is gained over time–because we have grown together and moved beyond surfaces, which we all recognize change with time. (but even as the wrinkles set in– i still see the sexy younger woman i first met). Fidelity and attraction are only as powerful as the people who comprise the bond–and as time teaches it’s lessons we hopefully see that what makes a couple work truly has less and less to do with the flesh and more and more to do with the essential– which is invisable.

  4. David Wise says:

    No more mushy talk. Puleeze, I’m getting embarrassed. Hee, hee

  5. I have not read the above piece, nor did I comment on it. Tom Matlack asked me to respond to a question about looks and fidelity which I thought would be used in a piece. My comment can remain above, although I still have not read the piece, as I’m on deadline, and was last night when I took time out to comment for what looked like a quote that was being requested for a piece he was writing.

    • Tom Matlack says:

      Apologies for the miscommunication Amy. Your comment stands on its own and adds to the overall conversation. @tmatlack

  6. I think it comes down to one simple thing: if you love someone enough, you always see them in a better light then anyone else.

  7. Let’s just state the obvious and say that women are often far more superficial in their outer appearance. It’s not just men driving this superficiality; women are their own worst enemies and are the ones driving the market that sells them products.

    “plastic surgery, as many of the women in our circle of friends have”

    As a rule of thumb, women who put such extra effort into their superficiality are compensating for deficiencies in their personalities…fugly on the inside and best avoided. These insecure types will be constantly fishing for compliments to feed their fragile egos.

    “I never think about other women because she is everything I’ve ever wanted.”

    Nobody believes such obvious lies and it can even feed her insecurities when she knows she is being lied to.

    • Wow.

    • Thanks for the applause, thankfully NAWALT.

    • Tom Matlack says:

      Dude, lighten up. The truth is that I really don’t think about other women. But you don’t have to believe me there.

      I DO agree with you that much of the beauty complex is self imposed by women. It pains me greatly to watch the extent to which my wife and daughter feel the weight of female eyes on how they look. Not sure if that starts with some sense that men view them that way, but a lot of “beauty” is certainly about keeping up with the cat fight rather than anything to do with guys (I like my wife in jeans and a t-shirt but she buys all these dresses for events because of what the other women will be wearing…)

      @tmatlack

  8. Mervyn Kaufman says:

    Love adheres to no specific formula. A lot of truly successful marriages begin as intellectual attraction that morphs into physical attraction as well. Which should come first? Who is to say? Most important, I think, is that a man and a woman at least begin their relationship on the same page—that their individual needs and views overlap successfully. When my wife’s favorite cousin, a widow, summed up the virtues of a new boyfriend she’d met online—”He’s good in bed”—we knew the relationship would be short-lived. Tom Matlack’s description of his relationship with his wife, as detailed above, is really a Valentine that I feel certain she appreciates.

  9. I’m a lecher. I want to have everything, from everyone, in every imaginable way. I married my wife because I love her more than however much I might enjoy orgy porgy. When I leer at others she tells me it hurts her feelings, I tell her to be happy that she is better than ‘literally’ everyone. She takes it to mean that I would take anything. Reconciling this is the work of our marriage, not the joy of romance, not the secret of the sexes, the work. The work is worth it because she is, and because I am.

    The only trick I can suggest to other leechers is that fidelity can appease the ego. Fantasizing about how you’d turn a woman down, as opposed to just turning her on, can make you feel like a man.

  10. I see from the first few responses (and yes, I understand Amy’s was not intended to be a comment, but interesting article) that more was being read into the question than was really there. Social biases and cultural conditioning do exist, but that was overstating the point.

    The way I see it, if your primary interests are with appearances, and your sensibilities are offended by “perfection”, if you are too lazy to put the required effort into depth, then physical appearance will probably matter a whole lot. In that context, dissatisfaction with your partner’s appearance, assuming changes in that appearance results primarily from the inevitable effects of time and circumstance on the human body and not from willful negligence, may not lead to infidelity, but will have deleterious effects on the relationship.

    If one is more concerned with content rather than form, physical appearance will have little to no effect on fidelity. What is more significant in that context, is the degree of respect and trust that each partner feels towards the other, as well as how loved each truly feels. This is not to say that physical beauty in others will go unnoticed, or have zero effect, on those in a relationship; we cannot ‘unsee’ what we have seen. However, if you are stray simply because the object of your desire looks ‘better’ than your partner, that indicates a lack of respect that will certainly damage if not destroy the relationship.

    On a personal note, I find the Japanese concept of wabi sabi to be a major component in what I as a man believe constitutes physical attractiveness in women. The most profound love affair I have ever had was with a woman whose body/appearance may not have met some commonly held cultural measures of ‘perfect beauty’. To my eyes, though, she was Aphrodite and what really made that so was the content of her mind and the depth of her love and respect for me. The power of that relationship had its roots in Rilke’s notions, which I find to be spot on when it comes to long-lived love. A fine poet, Rilke, and quite the sensuous thinker.

    Enjoyed this article!

  11. Personally I think Marnia Robinson’s view is more to the point here (see reuniting.info and her book Cupid’s Poisoned Arrow). Focus on attraction and its corresponding sexuality, lust, appearance, and bigger longer orgasms may in fact backfire, leading to increased infidelity. While Robinson argues that this is because of brain chemistry being thrown off for up to 2 weeks after orgasm, thus creating a kind of addictive cycle of seeking greater and more varied thrills, one could equally argue that a focus (especially an excessive focus) on the superficial will lead to superficial comparisons. Whereas if the focus is put on depth—depth of emotional connection, care, daily acts of kindness and/or romance, and Robinson’s “bonding behaviors”—then the superficial is seen for what it is: shallow.

    In this case, the ideal isn’t to have “hot monogamy,” but warm monogamy; not a “passionate marriage” but a comfortable, ever-deepening, yet sensual marriage. This also fits my experience. In my non-scientific observation of married couples, the most passionate also have the most infidelity, the most fighting, and the most daily conflict. Whereas other more comfortable couples display much more “bonding behaviors,” cooperation, and yet don’t necessarily sacrifice sensuality or togetherness (as opposed to couples that are cold, distant, passive-aggressive, etc.). Perhaps our culture’s approach is entirely upside-down in more ways than one.

  12. We’ve recently moved. I was unpacking all the ‘non-essentials’ the other day and hit the box where we’d packed all our framed family photos, including the folder of Glamor Shots I’d had done decades ago. Sometimes I think he still sees me that way, and not the woman I see in the mirror. We’ve both changed—he used to have hair on top of his head, not on his chin–but we’re still attractive to each other. And it’s been almost 42 years.

  13. wellokaythen says:

    Tom,

    A beautiful sentiment you share about your wife. It really is a love letter. It’s a wonderful ideal to aspire to. I have moments where I feel that way about my wife.

    I don’t doubt your sincerity as an individual, and I know you’ve shared some deeply personal things before. But, realistically I have to take what you say with a grain of salt because of the format. This is hardly a confidential medium. I mean, anyone and everyone in the world can read what you say about your wife here, including her, and once it’s out there it’s out there permanently. And, it will certainly endear you to many people. Basically, it’s a great piece of writing whether it’s true or not, which gives me pause.

    I wonder in part because I have often been the kind of guy who says what he thinks people, especially women, want to hear. It reads a lot like something that part of me would write.

  14. I loved the reference to Rilke’s quote on guarding each other, one of my very favorites that totally nails everything you’ve said in your article. Great!

    I’m not married, but am going to marry my girlfriend…my experience is much like yours, great read.

  15. The comment by Matlack is the stupidest I have every read on the subject. His friends are high-fiving when his wife walks by, and somehow he is able to comment on attractiveness in longterm relationships? In other news Romney says that money doesn’t buy happiness. Tell that to the guy who is losing his house, or the guy who’s friends cringe when his wife walks by.

    The question of “do looks matter” cannot be answered if your wife is hot. My guess is that looks do matter, otherwise you you would have ended up with someone more average looking, who tend to have better personalities and more kindness than externally “beautiful” women.

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