Doctor NerdLove understand that being shot down sucks. But you have two choices: bitch and moan, or deal with it like a man.*
If you go by a lot of the advice being handed out to guys about dating, you would think that getting dates and getting laid is simple: act as alpha as possible, remember that women are gold-digging, status-climbing whores who only want the highest status males (and will ignore, use and/or cheat on everyone else) and endeavor to give as few fucks as possible.
Of course, the unspoken problem is that for all of their protestations that they’re a guy who doesn’t care… they care a lot. And many of them are already feeling angry that they’re not getting the sex that they “deserve”, which makes them even more determined to score that 9 or 10 that they’ve been cut off from. So when that mix of that anxiety, pressure and entitlement issues starts to build, they have no way of dealing with being shot down. As a result, we get guys who respond to rejection or being Friend Zoned by freaking the fuck out at women.
The pattern is fairly simple:
Guy likes girl.
Guy works up nerve to ask out girl.
Girl says no.
Guy calls her a whore and a cocktease before going on to rant to his friends online and on Facebook about how women don’t appreciate a Nice Guy. For extra bonus points, they may include this in their OKCupid profiles.
Now admittedly, this is territory that I’ve covered before, but it’s been a subject that is fairly evergreen and recent tumblrs like Nice Guys of OKCupid and OKCupid Goldmine have sparked the conversation again over how hard guys have it in dating and it’s so unfair.
Now I will be the first to tell you: being shot down sucks. But you have two ways of dealing with it. You can bitch, moan and whine…
Or you can deal with it like a man1
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Fear Leads to Anger. Anger Leads to Hate. Hate Leads to Suffering.
Dating can be a maddening exercise in frustration, shredded egos and constant confusion and more than a little resentment; when you’re not socially gifted or are uncomfortable dealing with the people you’re attracted to, it can be even worse. It’s bad enough when you get anxiety attacks at the thought of approaching someone you’re interested in. It’s even worse when you manage to fight through the fear… only to get your heart torn out, stomped on and ground into the dirt. You can be absolutely convinced that you did everything right and still have no idea why you’re not getting a second (or even a first) date. It’s understandable that you’re going to feel frustrated, angry even. When you hold onto that frustration for too long, it begins to look for an outlet… and a target. It can feel only natural to want to lash out at the apparent cause of your misery – women.
“I JUST WANT TO BE LOVED, YOU BITCH!”
If you’ve bought into the ideas that women only crave status or material goods or that only “alpha” men get laid, that frustration is only going to confirm all of the most misogynist beliefs that these memes encourage. It’s so much more satisfying to put all the blame on women rather than to admit that perhaps you’re doing something wrong. By buying into the idea that women rule the social scene with an iron hand, queen bees lording it over the poor witless men who only want their due absolves guys of the responsibility for their own actions and own failures.
It also means that we don’t have to face up to how we really feel.
Men are still taught that expressing their emotions isn’t “manly” and that they’re supposed to keep things bottled up. And small wonder – trying to be honest about your emotions is conflicting, confusing and awkward and at times humiliating. It makes us vulnerable.
It’s human nature that we may try to avoid this feeling of vulnerability; we are afraid of how it makes us feel and we become afraid of that fear. Many of us—especially those who’ve been dealing with rejection and ostracism frequently have years of pent up frustration, and every rejection is just one more pebble into an already enormous pile of anger, recrimination and shame. We hate how that makes us feel and it can feel only natural at first to want to rail against the perceived cause of our pain.
Which is why I’m telling you to that you need to learn to embrace the suck.
Most, if not all of the frustration and anger that we feel at being rejected is misdirected; we aim it outwards because we feel as though it should be directed at ourselves, and that can be incredibly difficult to admit to. We’re pissed off at ourselves the most because… well, because we wanted to be perfect. We wanted to succeed. We have an ideal vision of ourselves and we failed to live up to it. Each rejection—or so we perceive it—is a judgement on us, and therefore a sign that there’s something inherently wrong with us as individuals.
Except that it’s OK to fuck up and to get rejected. Literally everybody does it. Everyone has gotten shot down by someone they were attracted to. Brad Pitt doesn’t go five for five when chasing after women. Neither does Ryan Gosling or Tom Hiddleston. Neither does Mystery or Style or Tyler Durden or any PUA you’d care to name. Neither did the various naturally gifted fellows I knew growing up who made it all look so damn easy, and whom I resented because for me it was so fucking hard.
It only seems like they have it easier because you’re comparing your unedited footage to their highlight reel. Behind every popular guy is a long line of women didn’t want to put up with their shit.
This is why you need to learn to be able to feel your feels, accept that you have them and then… forgive yourself for fucking up.
Learning to be willing to say “yes, this hurts and it sucks,” is an intrinsic part of learning how to get better with women because the follow up is “But it’s OK and I’ll recover and do better next time.”
Which leads us to the next part:
Take Rejection With Some Fucking Dignity
I’ve been rejected more times than I care to count. I’m willing to bet that I’ve been rejected more than most of you guys. I know every single impuse that springs up. You want to yell at her. You want to argue. You want to cry, beg or mope your way into changing the answer. You want to do anything other than accept that things just aren’t going to go the way you want. I have been there, done that and posted the angsty LiveJournal emo posts where I knew they would see it and printed the t-shirt.
Part of what changed things for me was learning that the best thing I could do was learn how to handle rejection with some grace and that the only truly acceptable response to being shot down is “Ok… well, thanks anyway.”
There’s almost literally nothing less attractive than someone who can’t take “no” for an answer. It’s a display of neediness and a lack of social intelligence that causes sex magically vanish into the ether alongside your dignity and self-respect.
(This, I might point out, is a key component of why guys get stuck in The Friend Zone. They don’t want to accept that they’ve been rejected and thus try to hang around—as “friends”—in hopes that if they hang in long enough and collect enough Friend Coupons, they can trade in that “No” for a “Yes”.)
Learning how to be able to take rejection without falling to pieces meant having to accept that there would be people that would not like me the way that I wanted them to, and there was nothing I could do to change that.
Paradoxically, this actually helped make me better at interacting with women. Y’see, a man who can take rejection with courtesy and a lack of drama is someone who is comfortable putting himself out there emotionally, and yet secure enough to know that a single rejection isn’t that big of a deal.
A guy who can take a rejection without letting it destroy him is someone who has confidence and self-assurance. It may not help him with that particular woman, but that attitude makes him much more attractive than the one who lashes out or stores away all of his resentment and bitterness only to unleash it later like a passive-aggressive squirrel storing hate nuts for the winter.
In it’s own way, accepting rejection without drama became remarkably liberating. Once I accepted that I couldn’t win everybody, I started to get over the fear of someone not liking me… and that in turn made me better able to recognize that my fear of rejection was part of a scarcity mindset. I was so hung up on getting this one person to like me that I made them the focus of my world and lost track of the fact that there would be other women out there—millions of them, in fact—and that if one didn’t like me, then there would be others who would. So why waste so much of my time and mental energy worrying about one “no” when I could get on with finding my next “yes”?
Incidentally, another aspect of learning to accept rejection with some dignity means understanding that while she is not required to give you the relationship you may want, neither are you limited to what she is willing to offer. It’s perfectly fine to walk away2 to a “Let’s Just Be Friends” response. If you don’t want to be friends, there’s no point to trying to force yourself to do so, especially if you’re the sort of person who can’t compartmentalize one’s emotions well. Some people will get angry at this: “So you just hung around because you wanted to date me?” It’s ok that the answer is “yes”… provided you were honest and up front about this rather than trying to be “friend” under false pretenses. Better to be straight forward.
Just understand that being friends isn’t the runner-up consolation prize for not getting the relationship; friends are fucking awesome, not the booby prize.
Get Away From The Internet Echo Chamber
There are days—-usually the ones that end in ‘y’—that I’m glad the majority of my formative years were spent pre-Internet. I grew up in the 80s and 90s, when the majority of computer network access one had were on the walled gardens of Compu$erve and Prodigy with occasional forays into the chaotic metropolis that was AOL and the wild west outposts of bulletin board systems. I didn’t have full internet access until I reached college, which meant my youthful idiocy was mostly fairly contained. But once I got to college, I had an ethernet connection and a WHOLE HOST of neurosis and insecurities that I was ready to unleash on the world!
This included an especially painful rant on being a Nice Guy caught in the Friend Zone on a personal website. It was full of the usual impotent fury, raging against how it just wasn’t RIGHT that the woman I was infatuated with stubbornly refused to fall in love with me (or, y’know, touch my penis. Whichever came3 first.) and this was a crime to cruel to be borne.
Fortunately for me, I had yet to discover Usenet and the web was in it’s infancy, which meant that unless you were added to Yahoo by hand, nobody would find you without a great deal of luck. So while I got the occasional ass-pat from my fellow travellers, my venting went mostly unnoticed.
At the time, it was frustrating, feeling like I was yelling into the void. My friends, much as they loved me, would only let me moan for so long before they’d tell me I was being an asshole. I would have loved to comisserate with my fellow prisoners about the fickleness of women. Now, with the harsh light of maturity, I’m incredibly greatful… because it means that I didn’t have my bullshit issues validated by what would have felt like the entire world. Not having the massive “I know that feel bro” circle-jerk It meant that I could vent… and then I had to move the fuck on.
These days though… well, there’s any number of subReddits, Tumblrs and forums where I could go and find other guys just like me – angry and confused and frustrated – where I could scream about how unfair it all was and how the system was rigged against us and I would find hordes of responsive people who felt exactly the way I did. But while this can feel empowering, having nothing but people who agreed with me also meant that I wasn’t going to hear the unpleasant truth: that ultimately it was my own damn fault and I needed to put on my big-boy pants and deal with it. Instead, I would be surrounded by people who agreed—yes, that istotally unfair. And the more that we could agree that it’s unfair, the more we could shift the blame away from us and onto others. That echo and amplification—that it’s unfair and it’s all women’s fault—only makes it easier to buy into other hateful ideas about women because… well, these are all people who I agree with and who feel the way I do and I’m not exactly hearing any dissenting voices, so maybe there’s something to it.
It’s incredibly seductive—after all, we do tend to like and respect those most like us—but it’s also limiting and, to a certain extent dangerous.
That cyber-balkanization—communities that self-select for specific viewpoints—would make it harder for me to get what I ultimately needed to hear because… well, I didn’t want to hear it. I just wanted people to validate my victimhood—even more than I wanted a solution to my problem.
It’s great to have a place where you can vent, where you can find people who understand you and have gone through similar experiences and who can offer you moral support. But it’s also important not to be seduced by the call of a uniform community that could prevent you from getting an alternate viewpoint that you may well need.
Quit Expecting Life To Be Fair
A key word that comes up over and over again is “fairness”. The idea that somehow things should be fair and equitable informs a great deal about how we relate to one another and how we perceive our interactions with people. A lot of guys, for example, will insist that because women supposedly have all the power in dating that it is somehow “unfair” for guys. The idea that men are “forced” to approach is somehow an injustice because in a truly just world, women would approach too.
Never mind that women are discouraged from being the aggressors for a multitude of reasons—it’s theperception that there’s an imbalance that places an unjust burden on men that matters.
The same goes to the supposedly disproportionate “risks” that men have to take by virtue of being the aggressors. It would only be fair for women to indicate their availability before we invest ourselves in trying to approach them, right? Right?
Let’s be honest: nine times out of ten, what we mean by fairness translates to “makes it easier for me to get what I want.”
Is it fair that men “have” to be the aggressors? No, not really… because “fair” never really comes into the question. “Fair” assumes that men and women are otherwise completely equal; it ignores that every interaction doesn’t occur in a vacuum and that interaction between men and women is informed by thousands of years of enforced gender roles, female subservience and views of male and female sexuality and interrelations that have only started to change in the last hundred years or so. The “risks” that men have to subject themselves to are frankly not equal to the ones that women face in return. To quote Margaret Atwood: “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.”
Even if we ignore the subject of privilege4 , the things that guys so often complain about with dating as being “unfair” has less to do with “fairness” and more with “It would be nice if…”
Because yes, it would be nice if everybody – men and women alike – could tell in advance who was single and looking and who wasn’t. It would be nice if women felt as though they were more empowered to approach people they were interested in without fear of recrimination or even physical danger.
It would also be nice if I won the Powerball this weekend.
Instead of tying ourselves up with the idea of “fairness” and complaining about how things “aren’t fair”, it’s better to accept that no, things aren’t fair and deal with them as they exist in reality instead of through the lens of “but I really want it this way.” Because frankly it’s laughable to talk about how “unfair” it is that guys feel as though risking the sting of rejection is an injustice and how easy women have it when we’re still fighting over the idea of whether women are allowed to control if, when and how they have children.
So no. The world isn’t fair, and no amount of complaining is going to change the fact or make things any easier. You want things to be fair? Good. Start helping to build a world with true social and sexual equality.
Until then, you can complain about how “unfair” it all is like a child that isn’t getting ice cream.
Or you can man up.
Originally appeared at Paging Dr. NerdLove
- *Normally I try to avoid gendered phrases like this that carry the implication that acting like an adult is a masculine trait and that whining and complaining is a feminine one. But since I’m addressing guys in this case, it feels apt to use the gendered pronoun. It’s not about men vs. women, it’s the difference between acting like a boy or a grown-ass adult. [↩]
- Well, not literally, that’s just rude… [↩]
- fnar [↩]
- Marvel at my restraint! [↩]
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What I see a lot in commentary, and I’m guilty of this myself sometimes, is the argument that if an article does not mention something then that means the author is ignoring it or dismissing it. Or, if an author fails to blame some people in the article he is therefore giving those people a free pass.
So, if an article talks about men’s attitudes and behavior and does not mention women’s attitudes and behavior, therefore the author does not think women have any responsibility or should be held accountable at all.
Possibly an accurate conclusion, but it’s pretty faulty reasoning. It’s the easiest thing in the world to mention all the things that an article does not talk about. Perhaps there’s an assumption that blaming one person for something means that no one else is to blame.
No matter what an article actually says, it’s really simple to blast it for what’s missing. And, no matter what’s included it faces criticism:
If an article on GMP only focuses on men, then the author is accused of blaming men for everything.
If an article talks about men and women, then the author is accused of invading men’s issues with women’s issues, and why can’t men have a space of their own?
If an article only talks about women, then the author is accused of being a feminist with an agenda who wants men to think like women.
Perhaps the articles should talk about both men and women and each and neither?
You seem to be missing everything, the article is completely about debunking nice men’s plight.
What I hear you saying is that when I wrote a message about what commenters often do, I failed to explain what the article’s author was doing. I restricted my message to talking about a tendency I see within a particular group of people, which makes my message wrong because I did not talk about another person, so therefore I must have missed the point of this other person. Which means, presumably, that my comment is being criticized because it failed to mention something that my message was not intended to cover anyway.
So, the argument seems to be that because I did not mention something, therefore I must have missed it. This is precisely the type of argument that I was saying was all too common in the comments section.
So, is your response a satire of my earlier message, a bit of irony, or proof of what I was saying? I can’t tell if your reply supports my argument on purpose or by accident. Either way, thank you for the illustration. : – )
I think one of my problems with NerdLove in general is that when it comes to certain common female behaviors, (refusing to approach, creep shaming, going exclusively after high status males, etc) theres a level of understanding that he rarely affords to men if at all. He’ll talk about how social pressures and conventions lead to these behaviors or find a way to rationalize them, but when it comes to men hes far less empathetic. At times he seems to dismiss male frustrations all together putting the onus for all their problems squarely on them and their supposed sense of entitlement. He’ll draw the worse possible conclusions from common male behaviors while almost always portraying women in a more positive light.
@ Jack
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
What’s worse is that he frequently claims to be refuting “myths,” but doesn’t actually refute the so-called myths, but rather rationalizes them.
For example, he claimed that the belief that men have to do all the work in approaching and initiating is bullsh*t. But he never actually proved that such a belief is wrong. To do so, he would have had to provide significant evidence that women do in fact approach and initiate things.
Rather, he provided some elaborate explanation about societal pressures. In other words, he rationalized the so-called “myth.”
Frankly, Nerdlove is simply disingenuous. Despite the fact that the specific tactics he advocates come straight from PUA, he inundates readers with feminist ideology, which creates quite a bit of cognitive dissonance. That, and despite claiming to be writing to and for men, women are his real audience.
This is my impression as well. Nerdlove strikes me as a typical white knight. That’s his shtick.
I have a similar impression from reading the larger body of his work. I’m not trying to let Nerdlove off the hook. What I most dislike is that the approach appears to imply that men have no influence over the dating scene. In his advice, a man has some control over how he reacts to his experiences in the dating world, and the individual man can control his reaction to learning the rules, but there’s no suggestion that men could ever influence the dating scene in any meaningful way.
The dating world appears in his writing as this given thing with immutable laws. Therefore, a man just has to be resigned to the way that it works. Complaining about how you appear to be mistreated and exploited is the same as complaining about Earth’s gravity. No one is to blame, pay no attention to the (wo)man behind the curtain, move along, nothing to see here. Get back on the horse right away, instead of inventing a better saddle for yourself.
Therefore, a man just has to be resigned to the way that it works. Complaining about how you appear to be mistreated and exploited is the same as complaining about Earth’s gravity. No one is to blame, pay no attention to the (wo)man behind the curtain, move along, nothing to see here. Get back on the horse right away, instead of inventing a better saddle for yourself.
I’m not sure that’s how I interpret his work.
To borrow your example it seems that he is saying that despite falling out trees, getting pushed of cliffs, and coming down when jumping there is no gravity. There is not force that brings you back down it’s all in our heads.
Now I’ll agree that it’s self defeating to do nothing than to complain about gravity. However it’s pretty dishonest and ignorant to try to prove that gravity does not exist.
That idea is so great it’s terrible. I think it should be implemented immediately starting a month or two from now, and both men and women would do well to give serious consideration to how it’s not worth a second thought by either gender.
What, is no one going to call me on my apparent prejudice in suggesting there are only two genders? I would have expected some correction on that by this point.
Well, I tried to work that in at first, but it kept coming out not sounding as funny. It was easier and safer to just continue riffing on the amusing contradictions that you started.
I’ll just throw in my vote, for what it’s worth, that this venue is not the most appropriate venue for NerdLove’s columns. A metric that pageviews alone do not capture.
I had a problem with this part of the article: “It’s so much more satisfying to put all the blame on women rather than to admit that perhaps you’re doing something wrong.”
Nowhere in this article (and I’m thinking back now to others of his I’ve read) does the author allow the possibility – nay, reality – that you can do everything right and still fail. In dating, in sports, on the job, as a parent, any place where you have responsibilities and expectations to live up to, you can do every last thing expected of you and still not arrive at the goal.
Talk about ‘life’s not fair.’
Someone above shared a story of a woman he asked out who didn’t give him an answer right away because she was going to be leaving the area soon. That’s exactly the kind of situation I’m talking about. There are circumstances that play into the dating thing that are outside of your control.
Maybe NerdLove doesn’t want to dwell on this because, from a certain perspective (and maybe his own perspective), it sounds like an excuse, a justification, a reason to not do the self-work he advocates. “Hey, it’s OK, man, you were rejected due to something you can’t control, it’s not your fault, you don’t have to change or question yourself, just go try again.” If NerdLove’s primary objective is not so much to give dating advice, but rather to get men to self-examine their habits and attitudes, then allowing this possibility provides those men an escape hatch from the work he wants them to do. So from that perspective, it makes sense that he doesn’t include this in his writing. The problem is, that leaves just two options, it’s her fault or its yours, and that doesn’t represent reality.
@Julia: I tried to do as you asked, but found I didn’t have the endurance. Generally what I hate about Dr. NerdLove is that he dismisses the possibility that there could exist gender norms that are harmful to men.
“By buying into the idea that women rule the social scene with an iron hand, queen bees lording it over the poor witless men who only want their due absolves guys of the responsibility for their own actions and own failures.”
Could you imagine the reaction if a piece was posted on a feminist website saying that talking about the pay gap is just an excuse not to think of what you could do to get a better paying job?
And by “Julia” I of course mean “Julie”.
“Could you imagine the reaction if a piece was posted on a feminist website saying that talking about the pay gap is just an excuse not to think of what you could do to get a better paying job?”
Ooh. Good point. And, a la Nerdlove, tell those women that they need to examine their own behavior, which may explain why they are not making as much money. And besides, life isn’t fair, so there’s no reason to expect pay equality. Be a grown-up and move on with your life. Stop blaming men for all the times men have gotten paid more than you. Look inward for the explanation.
Most guys struggle to attract ordinary looking women who are their equals, not just the 9′s and 10′s.
Why is NerdLove gaslighting men?
It just goes on to show his contempt for men who struggle at attracting women and are frustrated as a result.
@JULIE
“There are a hell of a lot of feminist sites that don’t speak for me. I read them extremely rarely if at all, and I never comment.”
From my perspective there aren’t any other platforms that deal with men’s issues in specific which don’t just shit all over my ”feministy” sensibilities. There are a multitude of feminist spaces, so probably it wouldn’t be difficult for you to find a few places where you feel comfortable (from my perspective). So if there was a feminist website where a particular writer just carelessly kept using the word ‘slut’ or something, maybe you would protest the first few times. If no change occurred you would move on. Ignore the website or maybe just the particular writer. But you would be able to do that only if there were other prominent platforms where slut shaming was heavily criticised.
But
Not if the said site was the only one (or one of the very few ones) where you felt comfortable. The others were critical of slut shaming, but were so gloriously anti-masculist (say) that the general public (and you) didn’t take them seriously at all..
I am not sure if it sense or not, but anyways….
Let me also add that I really value your opinion and I don’t think you are clueless about men’s issues at all (the opposite in fact). You are easily one of my favourites here. Even when I disagree with your stance, I can still see that you are listening to opposing views actively,(actively being the key word) which I really appreciate.
You will never hear most ex-military guys having any kind of angst like this. As a young infantryman I went trolling with all of my buds who would mercilessly gut you with hooting derision everytime you struck out. You were sure to return the favor. The end result was that you learned not to take yourself too seriously and to laugh at yourself before everyone else could. When you get to where your ego is not tied to your success, (sort of a give-a-shit attitude) that confidence will result in more success than you can imagine.
A lot of people say “Truth hurts”, but this is by far the most truthful and helpful article I’ve read on the topic of rejection and as I read it found myself several times chuckle and think “Yeah that’s true…” Thank you for writing this. I only wish I could’ve read it sooner.