“I’d probably pull a Columbine. I’d show them that they couldn’t get away with calling me that shit.”
This was the disturbing response of Mike, a sophomore at Portland State University, in one of Michael Kimmel’s workshops on gender and sexuality. Other responses from guys around the country shared in his book āGuyland: The Perilous World Where Boys Become Menā included:
“Kill myself”
“I would lose my friends”
“Get beat up”
“I’d be ostracized”
“Lose my self-esteem”
“Take drugs or drink”
“Become withdrawn, sullen,Ā a loner, depressed”
“Kill them.”
So what prompted these alarming and violent statements? The young men were asked how they would react to having their masculinity questioned by being called gay or faggot by their peers. I know it seems so arcane to suggest that a man’s level of homophobia would prompt him to casually refer to reproducing the deadliest shooting in an American high school, but, this only appears so because of the extreme nature of his comments. Violence between men is a rarely contested affair.
Sharon Marcus claims that according to the gendered grammar of violence–rules which assigns people power and status within a dominant script–men are predicated as legitimate subjects of violence and the rightful operators of its varying tools. In other words, violence between men is treated as subject VS. subject violence which “signifies a competitive pact between potential equals” .Ā Thus, in the views of guys defending your masculinity in front of the gender police (aka other guy friends) by ‘pulling a Columbine’ is an extreme form ofĀ a spectrum of legitimate violence. It’s worthwhile noting that, within this context, Marcus is referring to intra-racial violence where race isn’t activated as meaningful in the script.
This notion of young men feeling empowered by a hegemonic patriarchal script that grants them patronage over violence sounds absolutely incomprehensible until you note that 16-20% of male respondents, in a survey conducted at UCLA, said they would “commit rape if they would not be caught”. The survey sought to understand “causes of rape proclivity” in male college students and their attraction to “sexual aggression”. In a startling display of the power of language, when the wording of the question changed from “rape” to “force a woman to have sex”, the range jumped to 36-44% of men that would do so as long they could not be caught.
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These frightening statistics show the prevalence of sexual assault and contextualize violence in a much less elusive frame.
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That survey was conducted in 1981 and in 2015, ā25 percent of young women and 7 percent of young men say they suffered unwanted sexual incidents in collegeā. Worst of all, the Center for Disease Controlās national survey on intimate partner and sexual violence revealed that 1 in 5 women are raped over a lifetime and 44.6% experience non-rape sexual violence. These frightening statistics show the prevalence of sexual assault and contextualize violence in a much less elusive frame.
Violence is the ramification of an unhindered culture of entitlement in Guyland intersecting with an indoctrinated penchant for physical force/aggression.
Violence is saying “I’d probably pull a Columbine”.
Violence is embodied by this timeline of mass shootings in the US since Columbine…
There’s a symbolic violence done to your thought process when you first notice the pattern in that timelines..that same pattern identified by anti-sexist and anti-racist activist Jackson Katz or Tim Wise.
What do the disproportionate majority of shooters have in common? What do the disproportionate majority of sexual assault perpetrators have in common?
They are predominantly men and representative of the dangers of the very gendered narratives of violence saturated in dominant American culture.


Yeah, nice to know that so many of my colleagues in gender are one gay joke away from going on a murder spree…makes me feel so optimistic about the future of our planet…
A: I live just miles away from Columbine HS- and like many- watched it unfold in real time. B: I’m not a heterosexual. C: Oh you poor violent heterosexist men and women. Being a gay male does not make you weak. Men loving each other does not make men weak. Sensitivity in men is not a weakness. Males- who think they have to be able to beat other people up (or kill them) in order to prove their masculinity- are the sickest humans on the planet- followed closely by any women who hold similar thoughts/feelings about how their manly men… Read more »
So I had to read this one a few times but try to wrap my head around it. If I understand you correctly it seems that you are trying to say that the prevalence male against female violence shows us why we shouldn’t be surprised that a guy would jokingly say he would commit an extreme act of violence against a guy that called him gay or some other insult. I’m curious but instead of trying to reframe things so that they (seemingly always) come back to men hating or wanting control over women why not address what you said… Read more »
You really think what those men said were just jokes? Here’s ten bucks, go buy yourself a clue.
While I do agree that what these men said weren’t meant to be jokes, I highly doubt that any of them will proceed to shoot up a high school because someone called them gay.
If men really did react with violence every time someone insulted their masculinity, the human race would have extinguished itself by now.
I’ve said this often: When the shark hysteria swept across New England a few years back, the fishermen stated that it was random, not a norm, that if sharks had a taste for people, not a one of us would be able to dip a toe in the water. Same with men. If we had a taste for rape, murder, mayhem toward gays, women or anyone else, they would be long extinct. We are both the greatest predator and hunter that has ever existed on this planet, and perhaps ever will. We are also the greatest protector of the flock,… Read more »
Masculinity is so fragile, until your house is on fire and you need a man to run into the flames to save your family. Not so fragile after all. I think that’s the crux of a lot of whats going on now. Its not that masculinity is fragile. Its that now that masculinity was once useful to society as a whole as it was and now that its benefactors have changed things up they have deemed traditional masculinity to be wrong, problematic, etc…. However its still useful in some places. The answer? Carefully craft and mold a new masculinity that… Read more »
I don’t know. We’re you kidding when you said that you wanted to take a machete to men’s penises?
This makes me think Arakiba is a woman and as a woman she probably thinks her threats of violence shouldn’t be taken seriously because “women dont do stuff like that”.
What am I going to put more stock into? Interacting with actual men who later admit they could never go through with such an empty threat, or a person on an internet forum that just regularly makes disparaging comments about men because they think it makes them hip and cool? Thing is the vast majority of men who make such comments are making empty threats they have 0 intention of following through on. Yes there is a small percentage of men that do follow through and they are a problem but you are basically trying to say that since a… Read more »
Much of that will fade away when Young women, stop rejecting any guy with a taint of Bi or homosexuality. Those labels are so damaging to young unproven men as they can limit or remove the ability to date/mate. End that and the rest fades away.
I see the propaganda machine is running like a fine tuned watch these days.
“Propaganda’ being anything that doesn’t fit with your own preexisting view of things, DJ. I guess labelling it that way removes the effort/psychological pain of adjusting that view (and it is painful to discover, and try to adjust to, the fact that what you ‘believed’ was true, andfor some reason wanted to be true, is in fact false), no matter how much evidence you’re presented with that shows how it doesn’t fit with reality. i.e. blinkered thinking, ‘ideology’ etc. We’re all guilty of that to some extent for sure – just as long as you realise that’s what you’re doing.
Beautiful response. Thank you!
no matter how much evidence youāre presented with that shows how it doesnāt fit with reality. i.e. blinkered thinking, āideologyā etc. Well, truth be told, that is exactly what I was thinking when I read this article. There is no DJ, philosophy, Garret. I simply examine, deeply, the facts then speak to those facts. My own personal opinion, beliefs, prejudices do not enter into it (except on personal matters). In fact, I think that Iām one of those rare individuals that do not decide to believe something, then go about the business of proving my point rather then what those… Read more »
Spot on DJ!
Parker Palmer’s wisdom seems very necessary in this conversation: āViolence is what happens when we don’t know what else to do with our suffering.ā
These young male students are not just making violent comments but saying that being anything else but heterosexual is bad, wrong and something they cannot handle. This is the real problem re US men, that needs a lot of attention. Part of being a “new male” globally should be respect for diversity and showing compassion to all people.
I agree with Greg Milan. It is a frightening thought that there is this sense of entitlement to attack others for aggressive, violent, uninvited sex. The homophobia is a sign that so much education needs to happen in families, schools, workplaces, and religious institutions. Many don’t understand the gender spectrum either. In a country that claims to be globally inclusive, it is quite the opposite. I am deeply saddened to read the outcome of your survey.
Excellent Response.
#MasculinitySoFragile.
Go away.
#imsoedgy
If you could bash men, express hatred of men and masculinity without getting caught, would you? Seems to answer that question nicely. What do we call it when one sub group, while ignoring their own faults, attacks the traditions of another while shaming, or forcing them to acquiesce said sub-groups ideology of what they should be? With any other sub-group being attacked in such ways, we call it bigotry and sexism. This is an greater example of toxic, fragile, or insecure femininity then masculinity. How insecure must one be to both ignore the reality that women do the same type… Read more »
“This notion of young men feeling empowered by a hegemonic patriarchal script that grants them patronage over violence sounds absolutely incomprehensible until you note that 16-20% of male respondents, in a survey conducted at UCLA, said they would ācommit rape if they would not be caughtā.” A paper is cited where the sample size isn’t reported (and with overblown, bigoted claims like this the sample size is always laughable) from 1981. Hm, yeah, that sounds representative. A bit like how that one guy quoted in the article title must simply be representative of all men. No-one should listen to this… Read more »
The sample size is about 80 or so – from one college, from one age group of young men. It’s also a strange and obtuse way of deriving information: “if you could punch someone in the face without consequence, would you do it?”
What does without consequence mean and on which planet in our Milky Way do such cultures exist?
As said above in the first comment: this is Trump style propaganda.
āViolence is the ramification of an unhindered culture of entitlementā
Again – propaganda: shows a deep lack of understanding on the topic of violence.
Well stated
“A paper is cited where the sample size isnāt reported (and with overblown, bigoted claims like this the sample size is always laughable) from 1981.” 1981? That sounds like the “study” that has already been debunked, to the point that a number of the “victims” thought it funny as they were still dating, some even married to their “rapists”. There was, in fact, another by the CDC, that did, in fact, show balanced numbers of both offenders and victims (with female victims being more prevalent overall) Are we recycling bad science now? Are we that desperate in our war against… Read more »
If it’s the study I think it is, it’s even worse. They basically asked a binary question “would you, yes or no?” but then had the participants answer on a scale from 1-5, with any answer greater than a 2 being “yes”
They basically figured out the answer they wanted and then worked backwards to get what they want.
That’s not science.
Jesus. That truly is sad.