Why Does It Matter How Many Partners She’s Had?

Hugo Schwyzer explains why guys are so preoccupied with getting women’s sex stats—and why they should just let it go.

Judging from what I read online and hear from my students, the question of the “number” is as compelling as ever. This month, Marie Claire ran an article, “What’s Your Number?” in which five women (whose numbers ranged from zero to 100) told their stories. The March issue of Cosmopolitan Australia features the same discussion, noting that 59 percent of readers surveyed thought knowing a partner’s exact number was important, and that 33 percent of those same readers had lied about their own pasts, claiming fewer sexual partners than they’d actually had.

(A quick note: most people use “the number” to refer to the count of people with whom they’ve had heterosexual intercourse. Any kind of sex that doesn’t involve a penis inside a vagina usually “doesn’t count.” A lot of us are like Bill Clinton in that regard, not seeing oral sex as real sex. This is a very limited—and limiting—understanding of what sex really is. But that’s a topic for another day.)

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It’s understandable to be curious about the sexual lives of our peers. It makes sense to want to know what the averages are. (According to the experts at the Kinsey Institute, the average number of lifetime sexual partners for men aged 30 to 44 is around seven, while for women in that same age group, it’s four—both lower than you might think).

But the number has different meanings for men and women. The old double standard is still alive and well: a man with more sexual partners than his buddies may be teasingly called a “man whore,” but the epithet is a compliment, not an insult. Ask a woman who has dared reveal her number to someone who considers it too high, and she’ll surely tell you a story of being “slut-shamed.”

It’s quite common for a guy to worry about a girlfriend’s sexual past. Too many men are still raised to see sex as crude competition, in which bedding a woman who has already had a lot of lovers counts less than scoring with a woman who is “hard to get.” But I think the average guy’s worry is simpler than that. The more men his girlfriend has slept with, the greater number of lovers to which she can compare his skills. It’s easier to win a contest against two than against 20, he figures. And even easier to rank first when he’s the only one to have ever played the game. No wonder so many men—in this country and around the world—are obsessed with finding a virgin.

This is the real reason why so many men get so filled with rage at sexually experienced women. And of course, it’s the real reason so many women feel compelled to lie about their number.

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Too many women have told their boyfriends their real number, only to be nagged incessantly for explicit details. (One friend of mine recounted to me in horror how her current boyfriend stopped one day in the middle of giving her oral sex to ask how his technique compared.) Other women find that their boyfriends endlessly psychoanalyze the reasons for a number that they think is too high: “Did you sleep with so many men because your father left you when you were a child?” (If I had a dollar for every woman I know who’s been asked that question, I could buy everyone reading this a Slurpee. Seriously.)

At this point, some men are probably protesting: “But I don’t slut-shame or endlessly analyze. For me, it’s not all about competing with other guys. Isn’t the number an important thing to know about someone you might be serious about? Isn’t it something I have a right to know?”

That sounds reasonable. But again, why is it so important to know an exact number? What difference does it make? Knowing whether a potential girlfriend has ever been in love before is important; discovering (slowly and patiently) how her past experiences have impacted her view of men (for better or worse) is important. But really, what’s the difference whether she’s slept with four or 14 men? She isn’t defined by her number—and if there’s a chance you might change how you see her when you discover the truth (should she tell you), why ask?

This has nothing to do, by the way, with asking about sexual health. It’s a great idea to talk about sexually transmitted infections; it’s a great idea for a new couple to get tested before having unprotected sex. We have a right to know if a potential partner has herpes. But the exact number itself is altogether different.

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I lost my virginity at 17 to my high-school girlfriend. She was a year younger but much more sexually experienced. She was my first for anything that went below the waist; I was the fifth guy she’d had sex with. I’d asked her number, of course, and then fought hard not to obsess about the four boys who had “been there” before me. But I saw the pain my questions caused her. And I came to realize that it didn’t matter.

I don’t know my wife’s number. I’ve never asked her. She’s never asked for mine. I know enough from the stories she’s told to know that there was more than one guy before me; she knows enough about my past to figure out that she can’t count my lovers on her fingers. Beyond that, we—who have shared so much sexually and emotionally in our nine years as a couple, six years as spouses, and two years as parents together—don’t need to know more specifics.

When we’re in a monogamous relationship, what we have a right to insist on is that no names get added to the list after our own. It doesn’t matter if I’m number five or 55. I’ll be crushed if my wife adds a number six or a 56 behind my back.

But the right to ask to be last is not the same as the right to know how far we are from the first. And for me, part of being a good man is knowing what I don’t need to know.

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Red-Hot Monogamy

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—Photo by eflon/Flickr

Why Does It Matter How Many Partners She’s Had?

About Hugo Schwyzer

Hugo Schwyzer has taught history and gender studies at Pasadena City College since 1993, where he developed the college's first courses on Men and Masculinity and Beauty and Body Image. He serves as co-director of the Perfectly Unperfected Project, a campaign to transform young people's attitudes around body image and fashion. Hugo lives with his wife, daughter, and six chinchillas in Los Angeles. Hugo blogs at his website

Comments

  1. jim says:

    I really think that women should understand that their actions have consequences and that judgments are here to stay. A guy can reject a woman any time he wants to and for any reason. Of course, the opposite applies too. So, everybody has the right to judge his potential partners according to his own standards.

    If promiscuous women find themselves frequently rejected the last thing they should attempt to do is whine on internet webpages and try to convince men that their past shouldn’t matter and that somehow “true love” should overpower any judgment. What they should do, instead, is first determine what type of man they’re interested in, then determine the type of woman that this guy is looking for and, last but not least, determine if they are willing and able to be the woman that their ideal man would want. If they determine that this type of man and themselves are incompatible they should readjust their preferences and try again.

    None of these steps involves sex. Many people are searching for their “soulmates” without sex.

    None of these steps involves changing another person’s beliefs. What other people believe is beyond our control. You’d better get used to it.

    It’s very interesting that I find sluts and tramps very vocal about this issue. Being a virgin guy I’ve also seen the notorious “double standard” for what it is. The only problem is: I don’t really see virgin guys running around, whining about the “double standard” and demanding that non-women should have sex with them. Why is that? I don’t know. What I do know is that this issue affects a number of men and women who have CHOSEN to live their lives in a particular way. Other people should not and will not conform to their beliefs.

    One last thing: a non-promiscuous person rejecting a promiscuous one is NOT a double standard in any shape, way or form. Promiscuous people should complain only if the person who rejects them has not adhered to the standards he sets for others. Anything else is hypocritical.

    • Randomizer says:

      Jim: I hope you are quite young, as it seems you may be. If I were an adult woman (and not a god-botherer), your number would trouble me. I would expect that you either had some kind of hang-up, or that you were a self-righteous prig. Having the benefit of the rest of your post marks you as the latter just as the first screams, “misogynist!!”

      • jim says:

        Is there a point you’re trying to make here? Btw I wonder where one draws the line between a person being aware of what he wants and actively searching for it and being self-righteous.

        • Mark says:

          Jim,

          You are absolutely right….to me sex is an important bond between two people who are in love…I believe many people both men and women are promiscuous because it makes them feel better about themselves…I for one do not enjoy sex with a woman unless I am in love with that person care for them and at the same time trust them….I had a girlfriend recently who I have been friends with for years who told me her number of partners and how quickly she was to sleep with a man she thought wanted to be in a relationship with her…the reason this bothered me because I thought we were on different levels morally….we discussed but not to the point where I would badger her…I am not perfect in anyway but I will tell you this…she became so insecure that I was going to leave her that she sabotaged our relationship told me to leave the next day spent the night with her disgusting idiot fat sweat X in a hotel then again on Monday all the while calling me telling me I was done for good because she saw another female message my wall on FB about hanging out….ummmm I think my concerns about her past came up and actually bit me in the azz…funny thing is she wants me back and like a fool I have gone back but walked away again…she was actually cruel while sleeping with two men at once I guess she had her validation from it and on another note her father did abandon her LOL sorry ladies but I am the best lover she has EVER encountered proven by words from her best friends who are my friends as well but when it comes time to marry we surely do not want to take the baggage of x lovers and scars from the person we love to the bed with us….Its not about judging, its about finding someone who shares the same standards and with diseases today its not very healthy…one man one woman is my motto although I can say Ive had only a few very serious relationships in my time and when we would break these women all jumped into bed with someone else then came running back while I stayed celibate because I am secure in my own person and will not sleep with a woman unless I love her in which case is the best sex ever anyway. If you like to get around and have sex freely, I do not want you.

  2. Brainchild says:

    I am playing devil’s advocate here, but here are two questions and a comment I found on another blog that was interesting:

    a) If she is so wonderful, why none of those guys who were before us thought she was valuable enough to keep her?

    b) If she thinks her sex is so valueless that she gives it freely, why should I deem it as valuable and worthy to work for it?

    When you talk about she having “experience”, I ask: experienced in what? To be experienced in sex you don’t need to have a lot of sex partners. A couple of LTRs will give you that experience. In fact, she may be experienced in ****ing and chucking guys, and I don’t find that desirable.

    • Randomizer says:

      As for question #1, what makes you think that if she found a guy she wanted to keep she couldn’t have?

      #2 assumes a sex as transaction model that is just a hot mess.

      Sounds like resentment about being a chuckee.

      R

    • Mark says:

      what he said

    • Aya says:

      a) is an extremely silly question. It makes the GIANT assumption that she wanted to “keep” every guy that she slept with, which you have no way of knowing. It could be that the relationship just went sour, that she was the one doing the dumping, that none of the guys were a good match for her, that she wasn’t ready for a relationship but still wanted the sex, that she that she took some time out to experiment etc…

      b) If you look at sex as being a ‘value’ thing–as something she ‘gives’ and you ‘buy’ or ‘work for’ instead of something mutual, intimate, enjoyable, and unique between every two people…it looks like you don’t ‘value’ the experience too much.

  3. 8ball says:

    Wow. I didn’t realize people were still kicking this article around. H3ere’s my thoughts, I don’t particularly care what a woman’s “number” is, but the flipside to that is- if you have more “experience” than I do, (or actually, even if you don’t) don’t expect me to always take the lead. Nothing drives me crazier than a woman who doesn’t think she has to do anything besides just show up. Unless it’s a woman who doesn’t do anything but show up, and then expects me to be able to read her mind and know how she likes it.

    So, in other words ladies, maybe men would stop caring about “being the first” when women stop making it feel like we’re in a job interview

  4. Garrett says:

    I am going to list an example. Someone with a 2.0 GPA because he was screwing around during his first 4 years of college but has since then worked vigorously, when applying to Harvard med. he was rejected. Why? why not live in the present, but care about the history? We all change right? The thing about history is that it allows us to predict the outcome of future events. As statistics shown, most applicants with that GPA are not likely to succeed in medical school. And where there are plenty of applicants to choose from, this applicant is eliminated without question. When applied to relationships, history too, is a good indicator of how serious your partner may be with you in the future. For someone who has 1 or 2 partners it is totally understandable as one is trying to explore. However, for someone with a glorious amount of past relationships it is only reasonable to deduce that the likelihood that this person is not careful/serious at selecting her partners is high.

  5. Aya says:

    When it comes to the argument of seeing sex as ‘special’ or not, I don’t understand why people are so quick to see it as black and white. In my experiences, sex in certain situations has been incredibly special, meaningful, and spiritual, while in other situations, it’s been…just sex. And then there was everything in between. I see the same thing in men. An example. A nerdy and idealistic romantic partner of mine in his mid 20s whose number was around 12. I’d known him for a very long time and he was pretty straightforward about everything. I know that in certain situations sex was extremely special, particularly with 2 of his long-term exes and with myself (and even within our situations, the ‘specialness’ varied at times). With the rest, the reasoning ranged from being horny to bored to rebounding to hoping for something special but it not ending to be to just a lustful attraction. Really, though: Just because sex didn’t matter with that guy, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t matter with YOU. And vice versa. It’s really not as simple–’all sex is important to her/him’ and ‘all sex is not important to her/him!’. It’s easier to look at it that way, but it’s just not always the case. There are way too many other factors involved. Sex is not something women ‘give’ away or withold…our desires matter too. And just like men, we can make good, bad, and neutral decisions when it comes to our sex lives.

  6. Annoyed says:

    I cant believe this is still going on. I agree with sex being a very intimate act and that its better to have sex with people you love. But unfortunately, we didn’t always think like this. That thought comes with maturity and experience. So before we thought this lovely ideal up, you were probably having sex with people you didn’t love because you wanted to have sex. Hopefully safe sex. My point is, grow up. Shit happened before you met the other person, and shaming him or her isn’t going to get you any where except a trip to the drugstore for some migraine medicine and a one way ticket for a lonely and bitter life. Because no matter how much your partner loves you, he or she will not stay in a relationship where they are being judged and shamed. We all have bad judgement when we are young, no matter how high on your horse you want to be. Learn to understand that the only think that should matter to you is that no matter how many partners your partner has had, they are still the same person he or she was before you found this out. Move on and be happy.

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