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This post first ran in 2016. The core idea has held true.
I want to explain something to anyone who will listen.
Here is a comment I read today:
“You mention “racist.” I’m a Trump supporter so that automatically makes me racist? My best friend at my wedding is black, my wife is Mexican, my daughter in law is Muslim, one of my closest friends is black. They agree with Trump, so I guess they’re racist?”
Here’s my response:
Racism is NOT individual prejudice. Racism is the systematized and systemic denial of access to the same rights, benefits, educational, economic and legal opportunities–based on skin color–for our fellow humans that we live with in this country.
You do not have to have individual prejudices to be complicit in the systems of racism. (Although they often go hand in hand, despite your “black friend”.)
We have a candidate for the position of President of the United States. He has very few actual policies that he can explain clearly as to how he would “Make America Great Again”. But what policies he DOES have are all designed to make America not great—-but more racist. What Donald Trump is really saying is “Make America Racist Again.”
In case you are not clear on how Donald Trump plans to make America more racist by systemically denying people of other races access to the same rights, benefits, educational, economic and legal opportunities for people who are not “white like him”, let me quickly explain. 1) Building a wall to keep “bad hombres” out. 2) Tax cuts only for the wealthy (the majority of whom are white). 3) Supporting Stop and Frisk 4) Threatening to sue and take away the rights of “liberal media”. 5) Allowing groups like the Ku Klux Klan to gain credibility. 6) Directly attacking Muslims. 7) Calling for voter suppression and intimidation in areas where he is losing 8) Inciting violence and fear at his rallies, while speaking in coded language— such as talking about “The” blacks—which is designed to further marginalize a segment of our population.
If you vote for Trump you are voting for those systems.
If you vote for Trump, you are supporting systematized racism.
If you vote for Trump, yes—a person who works to support racist systems is racist.
Author’s note: This post is spreading virally across social media. I will be adding in some of the best comments I get in reply.
Here are some of the comments that have come in through Social Media:
Jez Davis: “I’m not racist because I have a black friend” is as inane as “I’m not a misogynist because I’m married”.
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Michael Rowe: I frequently have discussions with people who vote for homophobic politicians (or, really, Republicans) but who have gay friends, or family members, or even children. They balk at being tarred as homophobes, but in the end, their vote is going to a party that has LGBT phobia written right into the platform. Not sure how to get around that.
Maybe an underlying racism or just too much Fox News.
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Jez Davis: It certainly has been a disturbing experience, watching this election unfold – from outside the US in my case. There’s no doubt in my mind that Lisa‘s central argument in this post – that supporting racist policies makes you de facto a racist – is correct, but I imagine that’s very difficult for many to hear, and even harder for them to absorb.
I wonder though whether the central toxicity in this election is nothing more complex than stubbornness? The US and UK electorates are similar in many respects: we’re taught who to vote for before we’re old enough to think critically and the vast majority of us never change our minds. We actually live in fear of doing so. We decide (have decided for us?) that our ‘principles’ dictate we must always act in a certain way, and so few of us ever form the strength to become a ‘swing voter’.
As my wife points out, it’s a very masculine trait too, this intransigence. It’s what we think we should look for in our leaders (remember the calls of “Flip-flop!”?) It seems that any inkling of us changing our minds fills us with fear – ‘what will my friends think if they find out?’ To my mind this exposes the true uselessness, in fact danger, of these ‘principles’.
Imagine if you decided to buy a dog for a family pet. You go to the rescue centre and there are only two left, a doberman and a rottweiler. Due to their temperaments it transpires both are unsuitable and you don’t really want either but you have to choose – and then it’s revealed the rottweiler has rabies. Except you have a principle: your family never choose dobermans; never have, never will.
Alright, it’s a gross and silly hypothetical, but if we continue to run with it for just five seconds more, I’d argue it seems the one thing that’s about to destroy your entire life isn’t the rottweiler but your principles.
So I think that’s what’s causing all the pain over on your side. Not Trump so much, but that too many red voters can’t turn their back on red for a single, five-year period until a better option turns up that they can get behind without becoming monsters themselves. Because Trump is most definitely an abyss, and it seems too many have stared at him for too long because he’s *their* abyss, and now they’re floundering around trying desperately to excuse what they’ve become.
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Christopher Ferris great post and comment thread. I’m not sure that I would go as far as you have taken the argument.
I’ve read too many posts about what motivates some to support this sociopathic narcissist demagog, regardless of what noxious waste spews forth from his lips. It isn’t as simple as one might like to hear.
Turns out, Rs and Ds are like tribes. It is very difficult for some to break with tradition and vote for the other team. In many, party affiliation defines who they are. They will twist logic and reason to rationalize their support for their team, regardless of who the individual is.
He who shall not be named is making things difficult for evangelicals because he has promised to name SCOTUS nominees who will over turn Roe v Wade. They will over look satan in the whitehouse for that wet dream. For others, it is the prospect of who she will name taking the court to the left for decades.
For most, like your friend, I suspect that the poison of 8 years of Hillary bashing on Faux News and the rightwing noise machine is enough to have them thinking it would destroy the country to have her in office, so will hold nose and vote for him.
I have some friends that sadly don’t see the scary parallels, saying that they are voting the ‘issues’. I don’t know what issues those might be, but this is the fantasy they have created to justify voting for someone clearly unfit for the job.
Some may be racist, or latent racist, but many are just caught in an internal struggle with all they have known crumbling around them.
I feel sorry for them and for us all for the damage he has done to our democracy.
Someone on CNN said that they hope that a R leader will step forward with some adult supervision on Nov 9th and give a compelling speech about the need to come together as a nation, and to work together to heal the wounds caused by you know who. Sadly, I don’t think that they have anyone like that. Maybe Romney. Maybe Bush. Ryan has proven he is craven. McConnell, too.
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Is there any room in your screed for black racism or do you think only white people can be racist?
Racism and Power/Authority seems to be the real issue. I certainly believe racist attitudes exist in every culture but in context with employment or loan approval or community selection processes, tolerance isn’t an option. Speaking out to obvious discrimination is a responsibility for all free people.
The system racism of Turkey against Armenians is historic, most notable for the genocide of 1.5 million Armenian people, continues to this day. The government of Turkey still refuses to acknowledge that there was any genocide at all, unlike Germany. Turks and Armenians aren’t white, if you didn’t know. But the government of Turkey does not speak for my Turkish and Armenian friends, who have been tied together by the hip since they were young, and have tied their friendship into their families and businesses. Japan does not have civil rights legislation which prohibits or penalizes discriminatory activities committed by… Read more »
Another sexist policy that has been misconstrued as a racist policy is stop and frisk. Are more minority men stopped? Probably, but that’s not a function of the policy, but the individual biases of the officers. Why is the policy sexist? Well because in many municipalities like Chicago and New York city male police officers are prohibited from searching females. Female officers are not prohibited from searching males so the disparity between men and women being stopped can be directly linked to policy.
‘Stop and Frisk’ is not racist. Here in Asia this is pretty normal to be stopped by police without any reason, questioned and sometimes searched in most countries. In Japan policemen are advised to do it in a very polite way, and I do not think that more ‘minority men’ like myself are stopped – such checks are usually done during night by stopping bicycles, motorcycles and cars and often police has no idea who is the person in the car because they see only the headlights or who is riding the motorcycle because they see only a person using… Read more »
First of all, we need to be clear that what is in this article is a *re-definition* of racism. Heck, let’s just look up what it means: [Google](https://www.google.ca/search?q=define+racism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=29QOWOGnOoLi-QGn7Y2YAg): > the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. > prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior. [Dictionary.com](http://www.dictionary.com/browse/racism): > 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural… Read more »
@ Dashing Leech Let me defend Lisa here a second and maybe help her clarify something for herself. Let’s go back to the wall. I think progressives are on a subconscious level complaining about the wall because we’re building a wall on our southern border to keep Mexicans out, but not on our northern border to keep Canadians out so yes by definition this would be a racist policy. The issue is there are very few undocumented Canadians living in the United States relative to the number entering our borders from Mexico. Progressives have opposed enacting laws such as voter… Read more »
Why should this principle be limited to racism? What did the people and groups you now support advocate in the past? Maybe you shouldn’t be so morally superior until you do the research?
I believe goodness does change over time. In fact, we have written about that very thing, here: https://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/goodness-and-the-sliding-scale-of-time/
I’m not sure I follow you Lisa. Yes, Trump is a rich man who mostly spouts nonsense, but in practical societal terms, he has no effective power. None of his policies will take hold in any tangible manner. After his election loss, his brand will be diminished and no one will care about what he says any longer. CNN will stop holding 24×7 Trump coverage. By your own definition, supporting his policies would not make one a racist. On the other hand, the ruling party and most likely to rule again are the Democrats. They will set policy and execute… Read more »
I’m not sure what exactly you are disagreeing with elissa. Is it that you don’t believe systemic racism exists? Or you don’t believe it is a problem that needs to be solved? I don’t care about someone’s political affiliation, I care if someone doesn’t see an unequal balance of power through laws and resources and isn’t working for fairness and justice when voted into power.
Lisa I can’t help but find the picture choice for this article ironic considering how hard some people are currently fighting for “PoC only” spaces
I do not know of those examples—if you see them can you send me a link? Are they looking for laws to be enacted, with police protection?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/08/11/debate-flares-after-black-college-students-seek-a-non-white-roommate/#comments
Debate flares after black college students seek a non-white roommate
This is by my opinion a good example for PoC-only space, and if you ask me this is pure racism.
mmmmm .. I hate those nasty crickets
http://www.newser.com/story/comments/229576/college-student-doesnt-want-to-live-with-any-white-folks.html
Student Causes Stir With ‘POC Only’ Roommate Want-Ad
‘I don’t want to live with any white folks’
Wow so much hate for someone who is not like you! It flows both ways in these comments about racists and racism. Seems like good meaningful dialog is much, much better. However, we get the idea that I can spew my ideas no matter how hateful, then, wonder why we get hate back. Seems like Jesus said it well, “You who are without sin throw the first stone.”
Can you tell me what exactly was said that was hateful? Racism is a part of our culture. It is not a dirty word meant to cause shame—-it is a problem that needs to be solved. Do you not agree?
“As my wife points out, it’s a very masculine trait too, this intransigence. It’s what we think we should look for in our leaders (remember the calls of “Flip-flop!”?) It seems that any inkling of us changing our minds fills us with fear – ‘what will my friends think if they find out?’ To my mind this exposes the true uselessness, in fact danger, of these ‘principles’.”
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Discussing racism, by employing sexism.
What we most hate, we are at the highest risk of becoming
“1) Building a wall to keep “bad hombres” out.”
So what’s the difference between building a wall and building a barrier? Why do you think that supports a racist system when Trump says it, but not when Clinton says it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezaw-g6TIQI
https://www.americarisingpac.org/in-nh-clinton-brags-about-voting-to-build-a-barrier-to-prevent-illegal-immigrants-from-coming-in/
Most people understand that we need to control our borders. Most people understand that it’s nearly impossible to vet a million refugees, when there are no records, passports, etc. Most people understand that no one has vetted any of the estimated 12 million undocumented.
Because…for one thing…Trump not is using the “Build a Wall” as a rallying cry to find racists and convince them to vote for him. “Build a Wall” is code for “Keep the Others Away”. The same fear that has been used to get people to be scared of people of color so they can “lock them up”. It’s called racism. Do you think a wall was really practical? Trump is now apparently backing off of his promise to actually build the wall and get Mexico to pay for it. http://www.salon.com/2016/10/24/donald-trump-is-backing-off-his-signature-build-the-wall-campaign-promise/ Why do you think that is?
Lisa, I’m not saying I agree with the wall rhetoric, I don’t, but are you at all aware of what Mexico’s southern border is like?
No, I am not. But I am not sure we should create US policies based on polices we don’t like in other countries.
US didn’t “build” the wall in South Mexico but we contributed to their btter securing the border. It was built to keep the unwanted from enterring Mexico. The same ones that got through and made their way to the US. “.. it would be provided in the form of U.S. training and equipment assistance to help Mexico secure their southern border and better deal with shared U.S.-Mexico concerns over drug trafficking and immigration”
Is Trump backing down? Doesn’t sound like it. It seems to me that he’s saying the exact opposite. He’s not waiting to get Mexico on board with paying for the wall. He’s going to build the wall regardless and worry about Mexico reimbursing us later. As far as a wall being effective, well that’s another question entirely. I think it depends on how high and how thick. It would keep vehicles out, which might keep the smugglers out. That in itself might be an improvement. It would still require patrols, repairs, etc. I think it would be an effective component… Read more »
Lisa, who said “One of these areas is the problem of illegal immigration.” “This administration has taken a strong stand to stiffen the protection of our borders. ” We are increasing border controls by 50 percent.” “We are increasing inspections to prevent the hiring of illegal immigrants and tonight I announce I will sign an Executive Order to deny Federal contracts to businesses that hire illegal immigrants.” “We should honor every legal immigrant here working hard to be a good citizen but we are also a nation of laws.” Where were you all in 1996 when Bill Clinton stated the… Read more »
You know who contributed to the rise of Trump type populism? Look in the mirror- http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ The disdain, the unconscionable lack of understanding, the hypocrisy and contempt of the far left caused exactly what you’re wringing your hands over. I’ve been saying it for months and now David Wong is calling people out on it as well. Ask yourself why an unemployed black man who is angry about a lack of hope is a victim but an angry white man in the exact same situation is someone to be sneered at for “only being angry for losing their privilege.” I’m… Read more »
[…3) Supporting Stop and Frisk…] I see nothing wrong about authorities giving policemen more rights to check people in public areas, especially when it might help to reduce crime. In many Asian countries there is ‘stop and frisk’ and it is just a simple standard procedure to comply – if you have nothing to hide. It’s about safety and nothing else. I get sometimes controlled here in Tokyo especially when riding my motorcycle to go home during late night. I am white …and…? In case they pick me out for a check when driving, I show them my valid documents,… Read more »
[…6) Directly attacking Muslims…]
Sorry, but Muslim is not a race, therefore to criticize Muslims has nothing to do with racism.
I am not a Catholic anymore and I am highly skeptical about Christianity, but how does this make me a racist? Please explain.
Maybe the 3rd time will be the charm . the refreshing is really really bugging me. It’s racism because the liberals say it is. It s because the liberals avoid or more accurately silence all who disagree. There are countless Mexicans like my wife and her extended family who favor a wall and better enforcement of immigration laws. As “legal” immigrants, many who have become American citizens, resent are tried of illegals who reap the same benefits. But these people are not listened to an ,ore importantly are silenced. Then we have the back community who rightly disagree with Obama’s… Read more »
[…Donald Trump plans to make America more racist by systemically denying people of other races access to the same rights, benefits, educational, economic and legal opportunities for people who are not “white like him”, let me quickly explain. 1) Building a wall to keep “bad hombres” out…] Please explain how is this ‘racist’ if a president of any country is supporting the construction of a huge border wall to make it more difficult for illegal immigrants to enter. I see nothing wrong with refusing entry to illegals – and I am an immigrant myself living in an Asian country where… Read more »
The most interesting thing about this concept to me, is that isn’t not new, and it’s not isolated to just support of Donald Trump. Removing political ideology, we all as Americans pretty much accept that, for example, the women’s suffrage movement was righteous, or that the desegregation of the Jim Crow south was a correct step in healing racial divide. I don’t think, outside of some vocal fringe groups, that there are many Americans who think we shouldn’t have taken these steps. But when the same arguments are made in our modern context towards Black Lives Matter, or defending a… Read more »
Thanks Mckay. This is an awesome comment. It’s difficult to look at the big picture view from 20,000 feet up, but I do believe that’s the way to do it. Very much appreciate your adding this to the conversation.
Of course! The comment you referenced was aimed at an argument I made, so I figured I should add my two cents.
The 20,000 foot view is absolutely difficult to achieve, but I also think that all growth should be a difficult. The challenge helps us solidify our stances and makes it easier to empathize with the opposing argument. I think it’s easier to help change minds if you can understand where their coming from in a practical, non theoretical way.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/
Palpable irony is palpable.
http://www.dailycal.org/2016/10/21/qarc-bridges-multicultural-resource-center-reject-proposed-relocation-spaces/
oh yeah, not being given the meeting space you think you deserve on a college campus (after rejecting THREE alternatives) is totally comparable to protesting for the right to vote.
Not following your segue here, would be totally interested in where you’re coming from with this point. However, I would say that this EXACT situation, at the exact same school did directly kick off the free speech movement and ultimately lead to the 26th amendment allowing 18 year olds to vote.
Sorry don’t believe at all you’d be interested. Except to tear it apart from your preconceived views.
“But when the same arguments are made in our modern context towards Black Lives Matter, or defending a major political figure’s right to treat women as second class citizens, we automatically revert to the same tired defenses of racism and mysoginy. ” I think that’s an assumption some people make because it validates what they would like to be true. White men are killed by police at a rate 3 times that of black women. Gender is a much bigger determinate than race when it comes to people suffering violence from the state and that’s true for every level of… Read more »
I think that’s the problem. People are making assessments based on ideology rather than fact. Women are the oppressed group so in their minds being supportive of equality means that you must be supportive of women to the point of denying the oppression of men or that you’re a misogynist. In regards to your last 2 questions I was just told by someone on another thread and I quote, “Our prison industrial complex is systemically racist, not sexist.” by the author of the post. That’s what we are dealing with. In their minds if it doesn’t directly and primarily affect… Read more »
@ Danny I remember reading about a DV shelter for men opening. It was a small shelter like 6 or 9 beds. It was a building someone donated to a women’s shelter to help men. The comments on the article weren’t anti-men per se, but one of the conversation threads I thought was interesting was the shelter was blasted for not allowing women into the men’s shelter. Their reasoning was that until the shelter got filled up with men, why let the unused beds go to waste if women have a need. I heard of coed shelters, but I’ve never… Read more »
I agree this is a big problem that needs to be solved. We will work on this.
We run a lot of content on the prison industrial complex Danny, and hope to run more. It is an important topic and need to dismantle it. As it relates to this article—-Trump would be looking to put *more* people in prison, and I believe that would end up being both more men and more people of color.
lISA, many BLACK people agree wqith this man? note the 13% dis ussion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwCCj8Dx-gk
Tom, from every poll I have seen—Trump is polling 0% among blacks. Zero is a very low number.
As for that video—no where did I say that black people can’t be racist too. The same systems and cultural conditioning affects all of us.
I would like us to talk *way* more about violence against men. I am with you there John. We will develop a series of writing prompts on this issue, and maybe a Social Interest Group as well.
YAY . I saved what I wrote before this thing “refreshed”!! ore then “talk, we need action As a self proclaimed “feminist” site, why isn’t it speaking out against feminist groups who do nothing to support men What isn’t GMP demanding feminist groups give men equal footing for men when it comes to domestic abuse much less the truth about the so called “rape culture?” Why doesn’t GMP write an article criticizing women voting for Hillary JUST on the basis that she’s a women? Why don’t groups who claim to support men and their rights don’t do anything but “talk?”… Read more »
Hi Tom, Thanks for this. I first want to say that — yes, we want to talk about abuse of all sorts more, more openly, and specifically the way in which it affects men. And that we are a media company so *most* of what we do is talking. That said—we are developing more groups and connections with other groups so we *can* take action and put into practice some of the initiatives we believe will help men. Because we believe in men. The people I know who are voting for Hillary only because she is a women are doing… Read more »
Given leftist propensity for doxxing and harassing those who are guilty of wrongthink, dragging this comment into the limelight seems pretty irresponsible of you. Anyway. So say Great Satan is defeated in November and we elect our first female President. Then what happens? Do you think this is all just going to go away? Do you think Clinton for one second is going to stop and give a single solitary damn about the “basket of deplorables”? Is she even going to ask why they exist in the first place? No, because they aren’t “her voters” are they? They’re stuck with… Read more »
I, for one, DO care about Trump supporters, those who are suffering economic hardship and those for whom the world is changing so fast that they can’t keep up. I am especially concerned about the men—because they are not seeing the direct benefits of a rapidly changing world. And it is those people whose lives I believe will be *worse* with a Trump presidency. And so, for me the answer to “what then” is to provide a vision for what a world would look like if people were more tolerant, more open minded, more community minded, more of critical thinkers,… Read more »
It probably would be worse with a Trump presidency. But look at the choice from their perspective, Lisa. Liberals of all stripes positively spit on “rednecks, hicks, bible thumpers, yokels” And progressives tell them they deserve it because of “Privilege.” A guy living in a shack in Appalachia is privileged but this Jonathan Butler is oppressed despite coming from a family worth millions of dollars. Hell, *look at the comments you’ve posted at the tail end of your article* Just replace all instances of left-lingo with right-lingo (conservative to progressive, etc) and tell me that a lot of those don’t… Read more »
Jonathan Butler does come from a wealthy family and may have economic privileges.That being said,it still does not protect him from racism anymore than a wealthy White woman is shielded from sexism,. Skin privilege still matters in America.
Rich and black or poor and white: pick one
That breaks the identity politics reason machine but anything to avoid being a “f*cking white male.”
They don’t get it. I’ve tried and tried.
Of course they get it. You’re being too kind. They know exactly what they are doing, and they will deny the result until the result is ridiculously obvious to everyone. Then they will blame their enemies (who they claim are not really their enemies) for that result. Any complaint from you is like talking to the Borg. Resistance is futile…
i’m not even all that conservative. I just get sick of the hateful rhetoric I see from the tribes; both left and right wing.
Exactly.
I’m sick of seeing conservatives called fascist while the left openly mocks free speech and the right to the presumption of innocence. Just look at the mess so many colleges have turned into: students demanding segregation, trying to silence dissenting opinions and controlling the expression of others, and all the while calling it “progressive”
I’m just going to get ready for the Hillary regime but I don’t know what I need to do to “get ready” Those of us who are old enough, have seen as well as felt the downward spiral of our society. I’m wondering who they will blame when it gets worse. I can do little to nothing to prepare by grand-kids for what’s in store for them.
Hi Tom,
I am really truly sad that you see society as in a “downward spiral”. There are those who see the world as more open-minded, more tolerant, and with more opportunities than ever before. Sure, there are problems that need to be solved. But there are more ways to get involved, more communities to be a part of than ever before. I hope that you can find a way to see a future just as bright.
I HATE the refresh! Hi Lisa, Middle class is disappearing, Family sizes are getting smaller to the point there are some areas where there is zero population growth. Drugs, drug wars and gangs are killing people (kids) and ruining neighborhoods. Euthanasia in the US is around the corner. More and more families dump their elders on to other people to take care of them. Successful household is one that has many “things.” A sign of success is one who has wealth and title. We judge police as an entirety based on a minority of bad cops. As was expected, abortion… Read more »
I just came across the following … “Downward spiral” ” … Let’s start with the 2006 geographic literacy survey of youngsters between 18 and 24 years of age by National Geographic and Roper Public Affairs. Less than half could identify New York and Ohio on a U.S. map. Sixty percent could not find Iraq or Saudi Arabia on a map of the Middle East, and three-quarters could not find Iran or Israel. In fact, 44 percent could not locate even one of those four countries. Youngsters who had taken a geography class didn’t fare much better. By the way, when… Read more »
History tells us that your grandchildren will toe the line like the vast majority of people always do. Mr. John Gallagher gives us one example from this piece. The German family he mentioned toed the line and looked the other way as he put it, because if they didn’t they would disappear in the middle of the night to a concentration camp never to return. I’m sure Mr. Gallagher would be one of those tiny percentage of people who would give a valiant five minutes of resistance before he disappeared into the darkness. It seems those Jewish relatives had a… Read more »
They won’t blame anyone, Tom, because there will be no one left to blame when they’ve painted themselves into that corner.
“Ich wusste nicht” and slither away, to avoid blame. It is the one great lesson of the Clinton regime: I did not inhale, and I did not have sex with that woman”.
Ats the beauty of it. They did not call him, “Teflon Bill” for nothing.
No 8ball, it is the conservatives who are silencing dissenting opinions and controlling the expression of others and openly mocking free speech.
Look G, I’ve given you plenty of examples in the past of what I’m talking about, and you ignore them because you can’t get past “liberal good/conservative bad” So I’m really not interested in playing this game anymore.
You ignore what I am talking about and I have given plenty of examples. You don’t like playing this game, then don’t reply to my comments.
Most of your examples come from thirty years ago, so…
“No 8ball, it is the conservatives who are silencing dissenting opinions and controlling the expression of others and openly mocking free speech.”
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And as a Lefty myself, I rest my case. Accuse the other of what you do, while doing it. Say it enough times and it becomes truth. Truth without truth, even in light of truth.
Well Fox News, the Republicans Party and business leaders have been saying lying things so many times without facts to back them up that people accept as the truth.
Well, 8ball, Joseph Goebbels told the German People that Hitler died heroically in the streets righting the invaders. While the Reich was falling all around them, he was putting out movies demonstrating how resolve will save Germany. Most German people had no idea that the holocaust was going on right under their noses. Why? Pen mightier then the sword my friend. Look what it’s done to men. Radical feminist, the far left, the American version of propaganda even rewrote history. We’re still talking about dead-beat dads, when we know the reality both with that and the fact that we have… Read more »
How is what we are saying here hateful? Can you give me an example?
I’ve provided plenty of examples in previous posts on this very thread.
About worn out myself. Seems we need to do this on our own.
LOL, happen again. I have to remember to “save” … “Pissing into the wind” comes to mind. We’ve said what we can ad there comes a point we have to cut our losses. We’re NOT listened to. All I can do now is get ready (what ever that means) to prepare myself got the Hillary regime. I’m 62, have recently been diagnosed with congestive failure and am glad as heck that I’m not gonna be around to see what’s gonna happen in the long run. I, as well as some of you, have seen and experienced the downward spiral in… Read more »
No lies and deceit have been the order for the conservatives for the last 36 years.
Just got me too, Tom.
I felt like yelling, “I’M HIT!” and yelling for a corpsman.
It’s a feminist plot I tell ya.
Actually, there are a lot of people, good journalists, asking why people vote for Trump—going into the shacks in Appalachia that you speak of and trying to understand what is going on. Here at The Good Men Project, we feel men’s pain of economic insecurity and are trying to thing something about it. We give connection and community. I assume that is why people like you keep coming back? And if not…if you disagree with everything we do here…then why?
Great. But You have absolutely no ability to convey Your care to help for them. I really wonder about your care. I think you really don’t but give it lip service. Otherwise you’d petition your loved Democrats to do something about it. But your not.
I am especially concerned about the men—because they are not seeing the direct benefits of a rapidly changing world. Lisa with all due respect I think the problem is that men are seeing that there are no direct benefits, or at least how you see them as direct. When men try to speak up for themselves to explain the discomforts and issues, unless its in an approved context, they are quickly shouted down and accused of hatred. It feels like you are trying to tell men what is best for them and if they don’t agree with you that means… Read more »
If you publish a website that actively contributes to the marginalization of millions of Americans you’re actively supporting prejudice and hate.
Which website is that and how do they do that?
Read my prior message about articles found right here on this site. Read the article I posted. That ironically named guy Wisdom? In one of his prior articles he said it was unjust that his friend was arrested for physically attacking someone who used nasty language with him. Look at the way Dr. Blumenfeld writes about Christians and gun owners. Look at Alex Yarde’s incredibly inaccurate article claiming a current day epidemic of legal rape of black women by white men. Black women do face more sexual violence but white guys aren’t doing all that much of the victimization. Look… Read more »
Wow, I missed this reply. I couldn’t have said it better
Well, what are those benefits that I see spoken of so often, but never listed. What I see since the inception of modern feminism: The male wage has stagnated since the 70s, and has yet to even be acknowledged, let alone the seeking of solutions. Traditional male jobs are leaving, yet our boys are being pushed out of the higher education that would allow them to compete (35% now?). We deny them state and federal contracts reserved for “the other” regardless of the bid. We have systems in place that discriminate against male owned start ups. The wage gap for… Read more »
You don’t see what you don’t look for. And the point of the post was not to convince you to vote for one candidate instead of another, it was to explain what systemic racism is.
On a more positive note, we are taking some of these thoughts and turning them into writing prompts. Thanks for them.
Ok, then point them out for me. I’m apparently a dumb male (I’m just kidding a bit here). Don’t get me wrong here, I see some, but the negatives far outweigh the positives for men. See, we can sometimes fail to see, and we can sometimes ignore what we do see, and right now we dong the latter, just making shit up as we go along. Not an a attack on you personally, women, or anyone else. I read you, listened to your talks,and I believe your heart is in the right place, and I have faith that you will… Read more »
Thank you for your leadership Lisa. And your incredible patience in taking time to address these many comments respectfully and honestly. A model for all of us.